[Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Baren Digest Tuesday, 3 November 1998 Volume 05 : Number 330 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marco Flavio Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:57:07 -0800 Subject: [Baren 1973] Re: beginners Hello, I replied but I do not think my message got through. There is an excellent pigment vendor here in San Francisco that ships around the U.S. It's "Sinopia". www.sinopia.com Do check them out. Also I would like to know how to join "Baren"; you all have been most helpful so far and would like to thank you again. Marco Flavio Marinucci Thank you ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1974] Re: beginners Marco Thanks for the info. I am having trouble getting colors to come up on my screen. Some pages are okay and some are not. As to the site itself, does anyone have opinions (silly question) about the pricing. Are they competitive? Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: Wanda Robertson Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Baren 1975] Re: Method of printing colors There's a video being passed around? O.K. 'fess up you guys - what video and can us newbie's get added to the list? (Unless someone's video ate it, of course) And Chris, while you're in the encyclopedia (& archives) check out the woodblock book by Yoshida. It's all there from step to step. Excellent! Wanda ------------------------------ From: Marco Flavio Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:14:00 -0800 Subject: [Baren 1976] Re: beginners I use them all the time and can tell you that they are of excellent quality and they stand by their lightfastness. They have an optimal array of colors and they are competitive if compared to Winsor and Newton or Sennelier pigments (much cheaper and incredible saturation and purity of colors); they will aalso look for colors if you are looking for a specific one, like an old color for restoration. Let me know if I can help further. Marco Flavio ------------------------------ From: Wanda Robertson Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:15:17 -0700 Subject: [Baren 1977] Re: beginners Gee, Marco, I think you're here! Your messages are being posted to the list at any rate. So I guess that means you are on the baren mailing list. Wanda ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 08:19:30 +0900 Subject: [Baren 1978] Cases, printing order, 'Who' page ... Maybe enough time to 'answer' the morning mail before heading off to the community centre ... Roger wrote: > is it the intention to sort of make it a requirement for exchange > members to purchase the fine case that David is kindly offering? > Or will Jim just ship in a cardboard box? The case is most absolutely not required. It is not my intention to try and 'sell' anything to members! But please note that Jim will not just ship in any old cardboard box. Jim will ship back to you in the _same_ box that you use to ship to him. Make a good one! NOTE: Exchange members please watch for posts on this later. Those members who are getting the case will have to make their shipping package large enough to fit it. *** Chris wrote: >Let's say you are going to print 10 prints. Do you print one sheet >of paper with all the colors at one time? i.e. keeping the same >piece of paper in the press all the time? I see that Ray has already got to you on this one, but maybe I can add a little bit ... As a simple matter of expediency and organization, the usual pattern is to do one colour on the entire edition before proceeding to the next colour (after proofing, etc. of course). When working with water based pigments on wood, it is absolutely necessary that the wood be maintained in a moist condition, so that the pigment will spread evenly and smoothly. If you only do one impression, and then switch to a different woodblock, keeping it stable would be impossible. But when working with oils, the story is different. Head over to the Encyclopedia, and check out the Library entries that deal with the work of Ernest Watson. He describes how he works with _both_ methods, choosing the one appropriate to the current print. He feels that if one colour is printed directly on top of another colour before that first colour 'sets' (he is speaking of oils, remember), then the blend of the two will have a different appearance compared to printing on top of completely dry colour. *** I was asked in a private email this morning: > Why isn't my picture included in 'Who is Baren'? I guess I hadn't made myself clear about this back when I set up that page. Inclusion is on a completely voluntary basis. I will do nothing until I am asked to include somebody. Any more members who wish to be included, please let me know, and I will put you in there. I will need: - - to know which prints (up to three) you wish to be shown. If you already have a web site, just let me know which three and I'll 'clip' them and include them in 'Who is Baren'. If you have no prints currently on the web, then I'll need you to mail be scans, photos, prints ... something that will give me a way to create the images. (I'll return your materials if you wish) - - a mug shot. It seems though, that a few members are a bit 'shy', and have still not sent me a photo for that page. It's up to you. I would rather have proper photos there, but if you want to keep a bag over your head, that's your business ... *** Scanning the 'What's New' pages on Yahoo the other day, I came across an entry for: InPrint OnLine: Maryland Printmakers - non-profit organization that educates the public about the techniques and history of printmaking, and advances the artform. http://www.norsecode.com/mdpm I didn't think that this website was 'new' but maybe you haven't seen it before ... Dave B. ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:23:09 -0600 Subject: [Baren 1979] Re: tape & list Hi Wanda & Marco, WELCOME. The video tape mentioned is a 1/2 hour show done by japanese tv on our Dave Bull and his work. The narrative is all in japanese. I sent the video on to Phil Pivins back in August. The last two names on the list were John Amoss & Ray Esposito. I think I asked Phil to add Jean & Gayle. I think Phil still has the video. If you guys are talking about joining the Baren group, I think you are already in based on your submission to mayordomo and your email id. If you guys are talking about joining the Baren print exchange, well, that was frozen back in September to a total of 29 Baren members who agreed to participaye and follow the exchange guidelines. ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:41:17 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1980] Re: Cases, printing order, 'Who' page ... Dave wrote: >I was asked in a private email this morning: >> Why isn't my picture included in 'Who is Baren'? Gee, now I'm known as a private e-mail. :-)>>> Actually, I think it is a plot by Graham who is afraid he would not longer be the pretty one on Baren >InPrint OnLine: Maryland Printmakers - non-profit organization that > educates the public about the techniques and history of printmaking, > and advances the artform. They are not new. I am a member of Maryland Printmakers. It is very active and has a large number of artists in wood block and lino-cut. Great organization. I will be very active once I relocate to Maryland. The web site has an excellent newsletter. ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:22:51 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1981] Re: Method of printing colors Wanda It has been so long since I was promised the video, I don't remember what it was about. :-)>>> Actually it is a video of our guru and menttor Mr. Bull. It is in Japanese but the pictures are what we want to see. I can't understand Dave when he speaks English (remember, it's Canadian English) so Japanese presents no problem. The video was to be passed through everyone who signed up to see it. Three months ago I was number two on the list but I'll be darn if I can figure out where it is. IF I ever see it, I will update the list and send it on to someone else. I promise not to keep it more than a week, which is plenty of time for one person to keep it. Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:11:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 1982] Re:Buying pigments Wanda asked about pigments. Several month back I posted this list and prices of pigments. The name of the Company is Mike Turner. Fine Line Painting and Decorating Company Victoria B.C. fineliners @msn.com As I mentioned before I have been using these pigments for 6 years and exposed them to sun tests. I had no fading. They are waterbase and extremely fine and very concentrated products. If you have an interest in purchasing these you will deal direct with the company above. They will not ship during the Winter except down the West Coast. All the price are Canadian and in 60ml (2 oz.) Ultramarine Blue* $12.50 Thalo Blue* $14.50 Magenta* $14.50 Thalo Green $14.50 Cadmium Red Light* $12.50 Cadmium Yellow Deep* $12.50 Titanium White* $ 8.50 Hansa Yellow Light* $12.50 Burnt Sienna* $ 8.50 Yellow Oxide* $ 8.50 Carbon Black $ 8.50 Dinitro Orange $12.50 Raw Umber $ 8.50 Dioxidine Purple $14.50 Also available 250 ml(8 oz.) 1 litre(32 oz.) * This is my palette. At the present exchange on the Canadian buck these have to be fabulous prices for the Yanks. If you have a lot of experience and knowledge about colour, you will be able to mix any colour you would need using my palette. The purple, green. orange and black are convenience colours and can be closely mixed from my * palette. ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:23:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 1983] Re: beginners Marco, I could not find any where on their Site..... www.sinopia.com.....if the pigments are water base. Graham All that is required to join this bunch of ..... well I'll leave that to Ray to define...... is sent a note to Dave Bull and ask in. ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:30:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 1984] Re: Cases, printing order, 'Who' page ... Ray wrote.... >Gee, now I'm known as a private e-mail. :-)>>> >Actually, I think it is a plot by Graham who is afraid he would not longer >be the pretty one on Baren Hey....I'm more than a pretty face..... Mind it is better than wanting me for my bod. Graham ------------------------------ From: jimandkatemundie@juno.com (James G Mundie) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:17:04 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1985] exchange cases, a fair in New York Roger asked whether the cases Dave will be ordering for the exchange are a mandatory requirement for shipping... No, just a lovely but optional way keep your prints safe. When it comes time to ship the prints, I will be returning them to each participant in the same box in which I received them--which means that those of you ordering cases will need to send your prints to me in a box large enough to accomodate the portfolio case. However, we need not worry about that for a few more months. In the meantime, you should be carving and printing like crazy! *** I believe Matt mentioned this a few months ago, but here is the skinny for anyone in the northeast US who might be interested: The International Fine Print Dealers Association Eighth Annual Print Fair 5 to 8 November at the Park Avenue Armory (Park & 67th Street), New York City There will be ninety-two exhibitors of prints ranging from old master to contemporary (the prints, I mean--not the dealers). Admission is $12 each day. At 1pm on Sunday 7 November, there will be a free public lecture given by Dr. Andrew Robinson, Mellon Senior Curator at the National Gallery of Art, on his upcoming exhibition of early German graphic art ("Love and War: A Manual for Life in the Late Middle Ages"). *** Mise le meas, James Mundie, Philadelphia USA ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:53:48 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1986] Re: beginners >All that is required to join this bunch of ..... well I'll leave that to >Ray to define...... as the greatest group of artists to be found anywhere on the Internet or anywhere else for that matter. A "bunch" of people with diverse talents willing to share those talents with anyone who asks. A "bunch" who never puts down a member regardless of the questions asked and who are more than willing to share their secrets and experience with even the newest member of Baren or the newest of the Newbies. A "bunch" led by a very special individual who is guru, mentor and master to us all. (Graham...how is that???? Thought you would trap me, didn't you? Weren't you preparing for some exhibitions? What woke you up? :-)>>>) Cheers Ray (Wanda.....not all Baren members are crazy, just Graham and I. We are at an age where we are honorary members of the International Curmudgeon Society. Take everyone not technical with a grain of salt...or tongue in cheek.) ------------------------------ From: Wanda Robertson Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 18:16:18 -0700 Subject: [Baren 1987] Re: beginners Well - I must be in the right place. Thanks for the warning, Ray. Graham, I think the pigments at Sinopia are just that: pigments to be made into ink, watercolor, oils or acrylics. They also have the binders, etc. to do just about anything with them. Does the place you recommended have a catalog? Wanda ------------------------------ From: Gayle Wohlken Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 21:26:31 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1988] Re: Baren Digest V5 #329 I'm so confused, Baren. First we get a message from Marco answering a question for Wanda, then we get an introduction from Marco, and here I thought we had already met him in an earlier Baren posting? Anyway, hi Marco and Wanda and Chris. I would add to what Ray said and that is to check the archives for answers and also look into what is in the Encylcopedia. Chris, are you using Speedball waterbased ink or Speedball oil based? I think the people who are talking about thinning ink might be talking about the hanga style woodblock prints (waterbased pigments mixed and brushed on and printed on damp paper) which is different from printing on dry paper. Anyway, I think there are better inks than Speedball. I like the inks I buy from the Daniel Smith catalog, but I also hear they might be expensive compared to some other inks. When I buy ink again, then I'll start comparing some prices. Anyway, read the Encyclopedia part of woodblock.com--all the answers and more are there. Gayle Wohlken ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 21:36:48 -0500 Subject: [Baren 1989] Re: Baren Digest V5 #329 Gayle wrote: >I'm so confused Gayle, The time to start worrying is when you aren't confused. Look up Baren in Webster's and it says "see confusion". :-)>>> Ray ------------------------------ From: Jean Eger Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:09:06 -0800 Subject: [Baren 1990] Re: Baren Digest V5 #329 Dear All, I apologize for forgetting to erase the previous correspondence before I wrote and sent my reply. All those <<<<<<<<<'s just take up unnecessary space. Then I was glad to see that Ray did it too, so I am not the only <<<<<<<<<<< on this forum. Jean Eger ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V5 #330 ***************************