[Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Baren Digest Wednesday, 18 November 1998 Volume 05 : Number 347 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gayle Wohlken Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2134] Re: Baren Digest V5 #346 Baren people, I think I just solved the Irish print problem. When a cookie message comes up, accept it. I did that this time and got right in. Gayle ------------------------------ From: Gayle Wohlken Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:39:17 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2135] Re: Baren Digest V5 #346 Roger, I want to let you know that your description of the registration board is very good and now I understand where those screws are. Except for one thing, of course (there's always one more question). Those screws that hold the board into the L-shaped frame-- I can't figure out how, by tightening them down, it would hold the board any better than if you left them l/4 inch up. They are in the same place, aren't they? 1/4 inch off the bottom board is lower than the board you are to print from. So going lower than l/4 inch seems no different. However! If you mean they stick up l/4 inch above the board to be printed, then that makes sense. Is that what you are saying? So the screw head is pushing against the board when you screw it down. Do I have it now? * * * * I, too, can't get to the Irish prints. I get there okay, but when I click onto anything, all I get is a grey screen with a sentence or two about the file not being found. Does anyone know why. I have a Mac, Graham, so it's not the machine that's the problem. Gayle ------------------------------ From: Elizabeth Atwood Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 10:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Baren 2136] websites Received both websites...no problem....except with the Irish one where I put in too much info for the search and found that using just Mundie or Furst did the trick. Interesting stuff, Roxanne....and James' print is great! Eliz.Atwood ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:27:39 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2137] Re: websites Elizabeth wrote: >Received both websites...and James' print is great! Eliz Please do not feed Jim's ego. After I move to Maryland next week I will be just down the road from him. It will be hard enough to live near him under any circumstances for you making him impossible. :-)>>> Cheers Ray Why do we wait until a pig is dead to "cure" it? ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:42:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2138] Re: oil it up, please Yes that is the fast way to oils. Noboru Sawai taught us that which he picked it up from his teacher Toshi Yoshida who got it from his father Hiroshi Yoshida. and so-on and so-on and....... Graham/Victoria BC eh He, and my teacher, Tokumitsu, and countless others are rubbing their own natural hair oil onto the baren. In fact, I have seen printers rub the baren on their face to pick up some of that oil, too. ------------------------------ From: Shimizu Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:00:55 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2139] Re: oil it up, please Richard, I think you misunderstood me (Baren 2133). I wrote (Baren 2105), I didn't say Tokuriki was trying to put oil on his head. The joke, as I understood it, was that although Tokuriki no longer had hair (thus no longer used the camellia oil as a hair treatment) he still rubbed the baren on his "hair" (head) out of habit. Anyway, thanks for teaching me about the use of skin oil. I really like your print, James! ( A complement made at the risk of endangering the future peace of the state of Maryland?) Lynita/Connecticut ------------------------------ From: StudioJNC@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:19:35 EST Subject: [Baren 2140] Re: websites Ray I think you are reading from Uncle Milties Joke Book. For those who are young, Milton Berle !!!!!! Jeanne ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:21:28 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2141] Re: websites Jeanne wrote: >I think you are reading from Uncle Milties Joke Book. Jeanne Actually I am not but I might get it, The books should be hilarious. I am just trying to hold down (and I mean DOWN), the fort untile Graham can take over next year. Cheers Ray Whatever happened to Absorbine Senior? ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:18:29 +0900 Subject: [Baren 2142] Taking a shower ... I don't make many [Baren] postings at _this_ time of day, but as you probably know from your newspaper, there is a special reason for staying up late tonight ... at least here in Asia. I missed the previous Leonid shower when I was 14 years old, and I don't know if I'll be here for the next one when I'm 80, but tonight's my chance - and the sky is clear! *** I went to another meeting of the craftsman's association this evening, and it was quite an interesting one. Some of the guys are getting a bit bored with always having the meetings at the same place (which serves quite formal food) and convinced the organizers to try a different place this time. We met in the upstairs room of some little bar near Nippori Station, and mmmmnnn! good food this time! It just kept coming and coming, and the empty plates and pots just kept stacking higher and higher. And the booze these guys go through! They start off with beer, and each table kills a bunch of these, and then they call for o-sake, and put away a bunch of that. Then they get thirsty and call for 'mizu-wari' - whiskey and water. I have to keep my hand tightly locked on top of my beer glass, because if I let them keep filling it up all the time, I'd probably fall in front of my train ... The seating arrangements were different this time too, and instead of everybody around one large table, it was a bunch of smaller ones. As I was chatting with the guys at my own table, I could hear all the other conversations around: Shimano-san talking with somebody about woodblocks; Sekioka-san explaining something about sharpening to the people with him; at the next table the leader of the Kyoto craftsman's association was giving his listeners a run-down on Kyoto news ... All over the room these kind of conversations are going on. I want to hear _all_ this stuff, but I've only got two ears! About three hours of it in all, and then everybody falls down the stairs in a big clump together, and then straggle off towards the station ... *** While waiting for the peak meteor time, I've been busy with the machine here. (I certainly don't dare try carving ...) After getting some information the other day about streaming audio from [Baren] member Chris Bremmer, I've got some of it up and running. If you head over to my personal web site at: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xs3d-bull you will see a new menu selection on the main page - Audio Interviews. Those of you who have the RealAudio Player installed on your machine will be able to hear about a half-hour of interview that I did late last year. (For those who don't yet have that free player, I've put a link to RealAudio's download site on that page ...) *** Also a bit of something else for you to chew on ... I've also just uploaded the most recent print - #99, and I'd be interested in hearing your feedback on the little story that I wrote to accompany it. http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xs3d-bull/hyaku-nin-isshu/set10/print_10-9/display_print_10-9.html Most of you are 'artist types' I guess (unlike me) and your viewpoint may be different from mine. *** ... time for a bit more 'shower' ... and then I'd better crash. I think I'll wait until morning to inspect that humungous pile of mail I see from [Baren] that has crammed into my mailbox ... Dave ------------------------------ From: Jean Eger Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:32:35 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2143] Re: Baren Digest V5 #346 I was able to view the Democratic prints after messing around with it for awhile. In the source code,the image sources do not have extensions on them. I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem. There was some trouble getting the Irish show, but finally the images came online. It's worth it to see a couple of great collections of prints. I also enjoyed your students' work, Roxanne, and had no trouble getting those online. Thanks for the info on the Johnson & Johnson baby oil. That's a lot easier to come by, than camelia oil. Jean Eger ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:54:34 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2144] Re: Taking a shower ... Dave wrote: >If you head over to my personal web site at: >http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xs3d-bull you will see a new menu >selection on the main page - Audio Interviews. Dave FANTASTIC.....Thank you for going to all of the trouble. I LOVED the interviews and hearing your voice was special. This whole process opens up a lot of possibilities. Now members can listen to Graham and Gary go at it or Ray making a total fool of himself. I love it. Chris, Is this difficult to do? I can think of a lot of ways to use this on my own art web site I am designing but more important I would love to put comments from the kids and families I work with on the Brass Ring Society site. If you don't want to use Baren, I would appreciate hearing from you privately. And thanks for helping Dave. It was worth ever minute of it. Cheers Ray Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:00:17 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2145] Re: Baren Digest V5 #346 Jean wrote: >Thanks for the info on the Johnson & Johnson baby oil. That's a lot easier >to come by, than camelia oil. Jean I must have missed the post on Johnson & Johnson baby oil but would like to put in my two cents. Since I use etching inks, baby oil is a main ingredient I would recommend you buy baby oil from Dollar General or some other discounter that has a store brand. It is a lot cheaper. I have written J&J telling them about artists using their baby oil and asking for larger containers, I would like to buy it by the gallon, at a special price. If I get an answer, I will let you know. Good luck. Ray Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle? ------------------------------ From: Gary Luedtke Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:49:26 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2146] Taking a shower ... Dave, I tried to retrieve the audio interviews and only got a box up that said RealAudioError19. Any idea what the problem is? I didn't have a problem hearing a few minutes of CNN News on Real Audio, but I had the same lack of luck on Netscape regarding your interviews. Gary ------------------------------ From: Phil Bivins Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2147] Re: Taking a shower ... Dave, what a great article on Mr. Susumu Ito! In the article you mentioned a cloth that protected the back surface of the block from being marred by the surface of the table. What do you use? I have often wondered about this. Phil ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:24:13 +0900 Subject: [Baren 2148] How it was done ... Ray wrote, re the RealAudio stuff: > Is this difficult to do? OK, I kind of suspected that there might be some interest in this ... It is neither difficult nor expensive, as I had always assumed that it must be. I knew that the RealAudio player is free, but expected that the tools to create content were not. I was wrong. Here are a couple of addresses. http://www.real.com/products/index.html is the general index of their products, and here is the best place to pick up the player. They are pushing their brand new version of the player, but as it is still only in Beta release, I ignored it. Go for the 5.0 Player. As for content creation, they are pushing a new tool called 'Producer' but that seems only to be available for NT and Windows 98, so I found a download page for their older versions, which are available for Mac or Windows 95. http://proforma.real.com/mario/tools/encoder31.html?wp=798tools Note that there is a very confusing paragraph on that page: > Content can stream from personal pages or Web servers. For better > quality and larger audiences download RealNetworks' free Basic > Server or a RealServer. For what I did - streaming from my web site - you _don't need_ either their free Server or RealServer. Just get the RealAudio Encoder 3.1 That's all you need. I don't want to take up more [Baren] space with a long set of instructions for this, but if anybody wants to know more, drop me an off-list email ... As for the problem that Gary describes: > I tried to retrieve the audio interviews and only got a box up that > said RealAudioError19. I don't have enough experience with this yet to know what this is all about. I used an encoding format that would work with common modem settings (e.g. from 28K and up). Gary, are you possibly using a very old modem (14K)? *** The last 24 hours have been so packed with nifty stuff, that I could type for 24 hours to talk about it all ... Mostly searching for a source for better wood - and you haven't lived until you've climbed to the top of a _very_ wobbly 10+ meter high stack of wide cherry planks, right up under the roof, to brush off dust and try and decide which ones are the 'good' ones. That pile must have been swaying at least a foot each way under our movements ... Sacrifices for our art! Dave ------------------------------ From: Gary Luedtke Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2149] How it was done ... Dave, The slowest my modem operates at is 28.8, usually higher. Don't think thats the problem. Gary P.S. I looked for the meteor shower both last night and tonight,as the sky is clear, but must be picking up too much city light masking the display. ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V5 #347 ***************************