[Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Baren Digest Monday, 1 February 1999 Volume 06 : Number 431 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bea Gold" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 05:42:57 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2861] video >I would certainly be interested in getting a copy of your video, Same for me - Bea Gold ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2862] Re: Concentrated Black Hole >Ray asked: >>I'd be very interested in the concentrated sumi. Such black that >>saturates and leaves such a splendid depth must be wonderful. let me >>know the cost & shipping procedures. Dave This wasn't me since I do not use sumi or any other pigments yet. Perhaps Ray from Vermont. As we go, I fear we may have to get away from our friendly first name approach. We now have two Ray's and two Mary's and I think we will soon have too Maria's. Maybe we have to give everyone nicknames. (see BA5 in the next week for suggestions. :-)> ) ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:47:51 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2863] Re: supplies Thanks Ray Great supply house. I hope they have a calalog, just sent for one if they do!!! Jeanne ------------------------------ From: Elizabeth Atwood Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:06:42 -0400 Subject: [Baren 2864] Video!! Jack.......Very much interested in Dave's video. Let us know how much....when.....etc.??????? ------------------------------ From: Elizabeth Atwood Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:23:41 -0400 Subject: [Baren 2865] address Ray........I seem to have missed something! Sorry 'bout that! How do I post to the BAF???........need address! ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:43:10 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2866] Re: address >How do I post to the BAF???........need address! No problem The address is baren-after5@ml.asahi-net.or.jp Look forward to your participation Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2867] Re: Video!! Keep us informed re; Davids video, I think we may have a number one on the Hit Parade list. Does anyone remember the Hit Parade. Whoops, I am showing my age! Jeanne ------------------------------ From: James G Mundie Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:42:53 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2868] Arches 88 Bea (and anyone that may care to know), I have a few more tidbits about Arches 88 for you. As Ray said, this paper is preferred by screen printers. In fact, it was designed for screen printing -- with a slippery smooth surface like plate bristol board. The paper is a very thin lightweight sort of affair and so white it looks slightly purple under fluorescent lights. It is sized, but also very pliable. One of this paper's most interesting features is that one can get beautiful crisp blind stamp impressions (embossing from the plate without ink) _without_ soaking the paper first. I was interested to hear that Matt knew of someone using Arches 88 for woodblock. I wouldn't have thought that being a short fibered paper it would hold up for long against the rigors of hanga printing. Huh! Mise le meas, James Mundie, Philadelphia USA ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2869] Re: Video!! >Keep us informed re; Davids video, I think we may have a number one on the >Hit Parade list. Does anyone remember the Hit Parade. Whoops, I am showing >my age! Yes BUT....does anyone remember the Hit Parade on radio???? Now THAT is showing your age and I do remember it. Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: Marco Flavio Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:09:08 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2870] Re: Arches88 & Blacker blacks ... Does anybody have any information on how to use arches 88 paper? Do you treat it as the regular washi? (Dampen, etc...) Thank you, Marco ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:06:23 EST Subject: [Baren 2871] Re: video >I would certainly be interested in getting a copy of your video I would also be interested in getting a copy of the video - please let me know if & when it will be available - thanks - Sarah ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:18:41 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2872] Hit Parade time Not only do I remember the Hit Parade on radio I even remember the olden days before there was TV. Yes, but should this be a BAF posting? ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:46:08 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2873] Re: Arches88 & Blacker blacks >Does anybody have any information on how to use arches 88 paper? Marco See my post to Jim Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:45:38 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2874] Re: Arches 88 >I was interested to hear that Matt knew of someone using Arches 88 for >woodblock. I wouldn't have thought that being a short fibered paper it >would hold up for long against the rigors of hanga printing. Huh! Jim I too use it for woodblock and in fact my exchange print is Arches 88. I prefer it simply because it is what I was trained on. My instructor also suggested it not is wet like BFK which should soak awhile but if you want it wet, just spritz it lighty. Of course, I also use an etching press instead of a baren and that might have something to do with how it holds up. I am also only making one to three passes through the press. Cheers ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2875] Re: Hit Parade time >Not only do I remember the Hit Parade on radio I even remember the olden >days before there was TV. Yes, but should this be a BAF posting? Could be but we are not going to let Baren go 100% technical. I am still around to keep things loose here. Which forum gets which post will come about after we have some experience and everyone is comfortable with both. Sometimes, as this example shows, it can be based on answering a message on Baren. Let's not forget our humor. Think of it like your office. You get your work done but you still tell a joke or two, gossip about yesterday's football game or the latest soap opera but you do not spend a lot of time at it. You spend most of your time doing your job. After work, you head for your favorite bar or pub and pcik up on the office discussions but in more detail and the ntalk about everythuing else. That is Baren and Baren After Five. Baren is about woodblock but we are still all human and must act human. It should be 90% technical but if we ever forget our humor, we are in deep doodo. For me, if I see an opening I am going to jump in with both feet. Dave, do I have it right? Is that what you are looking for? Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2876] Re: Arches88 & Blacker blacks ... Marco wrote: >Does anybody have any information on how to use arches 88 paper? Marco After rereading my post to Jim I realize I did not answer you as well as I could have. First you need to decide if you are going to use a baren or press for your woodblocks. I assume your question relates to woodblock? I use Arches 88 for my woodblock, coolagraphs and monotypes. I prepare my paper the night before. Using a spray bottle, I spritz a sheet lightly on both sides. I then lay it on a piece of plastic. I lay a dry sheet on top of that and then alternately dampen one sheet and lay a dry one. After you have laid out all of the pieces you need, close up the plastic, wrapping tight but there is no need to seal it. By the next day day the mositure from the damp sheets will have penetrated the dry and all will be about the exact dampness you need. Of course, you need to remember that I am using Arches 88 in an etching press. Those who use it with a baren might have other ideas. BTW - by keeping the sheets wrapped each time you pull one, I have found they stay damp for a week or more without getting any mold. I love the paper. Hope this helps Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:15:48 -0600 Subject: [Baren 2877] Arches Cover White - for sale I bought some of this paper two weeks ago as a backup for my exchange print. I decided to use japanese washi instead. I have 16 sheets if anyone is interested..... it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know how it compares with the Arches 88 but I paid $3.10 a sheet and got every other sheet at 1/2 price. I think I spent just under $40. I don't know if I will use this paper....so is anyone interested ??????? Make me an offer ! ------------------------------ From: Wanda Robertson Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 10:25:31 -0700 Subject: [Baren 2878] Re: Arches 88 I'm also using Arches 88 for my linocut prints, and that other gooey ink stuff. It does tend to emboss if you're not careful about the press settings, but my last print passed through the press 6 times and I had no problems at all with the paper. I also (didn't know any better) made a few monotypes with water based inks with it - and soaked the paper thoroughly beforehand. Of course these were quite small, so the weight of the paper was minimal. Ray, what a great price for Arches 88 at "mister art"! After I had bought a stack of it at my local art store of course! But, I have bookmarked it for my next batch of paper. Plus they have some good buys on mulberry and hosho too! Some of the other papers I am not familiar with, but you can never have too much paper on hand. Still haven't found anyone to cut up my fallen cherry tree, but I'll keep you posted on what happens with it. Cherry is such a beautiful wood, I don't want it to go to waste. Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. Wanda ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:45:55 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2879] Re: Arches Cover White - for sale Julio wrote: >I bought some of this paper two weeks ago as a backup for my exchange print. I >decided to use japanese washi instead. I have 16 sheets if anyone is >interested..... it's pretty heavy stuff. I don't know how it compares with the >Arches 88 but I paid $3.10 a sheet and got every other sheet at 1/2 price. I >think I spent just under $40. Julio, $.50 and you pay the shipping. :-)> Actually, I have used this paper. It definately is not good for woodblock, particularly if you are using a baren. It is much heavier than Arches 88 and has a much rougher surface. I can recommend it to anyone who uses a press and prints in something other than woodblock. It is best used after soaking in a tub for at least 30 minutes. Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: Marco Flavio Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:17:26 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2880] Re: Arches88 & Blacker blacks ... Thanks ray, your help is much appreciated and if anybody has more input to use it with a baren and water based pigments it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Marco ------------------------------ From: "Ray Esposito" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:45:59 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2881] dremel tool Sorry to jump in on this so late but I am still playing catchup. I have not used the dremel tool to any great extent on woodblock bwecause I find it difficult to control for fine lines even using the extension cable which keep vibration down. I do use it to clear away large areas but I also find it is just as fast to use a knife. I use the dremel extensively however in my collagraphs and montypes and love using it. I will say however, it does take a lot of getting use to as it is easy to lose control of it. Cheers Ray ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:59:33 -0500 Subject: [Baren 2882] Re: Video!! I am going to take the 5th on that one!!!! Jeanne ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:16:19 -0800 Subject: [Baren 2883] glycerine? Has anyone used glycerin in water based ink to keep it from drying too fast on a large print? I've tried the retardant but the ink gets too sticky for me. I am painting and then printing over the paint with my cut wood block. I have been experimenting with the under paint - water color - water based printing ink, using a palate knife - using the starch recipe in the Baren Encyclopedia by Sadako Ishizaki as a medium with water colors. I love what paint looks like using the starch - much like Bonnard texture and color. Now I have a dilemma! I always used oil based ink but have a grandson who loves what my cut blocks look like and complains that I ruin the block after printing. Since I love the kid, I started using water based ink, which allows the block to look fairly clean after printing. On my larger prints the ink drys too fast however and I am having trouble with either sticking, not covering or tearing, at least with the old paper I have which tears when dampened. I will get new paper but right now I have one painting done that I want to print over and either I can keep the water based ink moist or I need to use oil and ruin my block. UGH! Which will it be? I heard that glycerin would work - has anyone used it? ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V6 #431 ***************************