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Baren Digest             Saturday, 22 January 2000     Volume 10 : Number 870


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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 05:36:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 7859] Barry Moser - Pennyroyal Caxton Bible charset="iso-8859-1" 

Try this -
http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?userid=4DHQYI9J31&mscs
sid=SM3V3A00SQS12HRE0017QUWAXN8B86NF&sourceid=00000189930446877479&bfdate=01
%2D21%2D2000+08%3A25%3A07&srefer=&author_last=Moser&author_first=Barry&match
=exact&options=and Get you right there - $32.50 Bea

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From: "Daniel Dew" <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:51:51 -0500
Subject: [Baren 7860] Re: Pennyroyal Caxton Bible 

I found it under "Pennyroyal Caxton Bible".  I'll look again today and try
to copy the URL exactly.

Dan Dew

- ----------
>From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
>To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>Subject: [Baren 7857] Re: Pennyroyal Caxton Bible
>Date: Fri, Jan 21, 2000, 12:25 AM
>

> Daniel,
> I tried to find this on Barnes and Nobel and could not. what is the exact
> title?
> thanks
> Barbara
>
> Daniel Dew wrote:
>
>> Hey, for anyone out there who might be interested, this book is available
>> on-line through Barnes & Noble for $32.50!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> I bought one yesterday, now I can't wait to see it "in the flesh".
>>
>> Dan Dew
> 

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From: Cucamongie@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:09:22 EST
Subject: [Baren 7861] Caxton Bible 

For those that were asking, you can find the Caxton Bible by going to 
barnesandnoble.com and doing a search for Barry Moser - that should bring it 
up.  It was around $32 when I bought it a few days ago, what a beautiful book!
best to all,
Sarah

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From: "Daniel Dew" <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:22:37 -0500
Subject: [Baren 7862] Speaking Greek 

Good morning all, am I the only one who feels that sometimes ya'll speak 
Greek?

It looks like I'll have to go to Grahams school just so that I can
understand what ya'll are talking about all the time.  Wet paper? Paste?
Huh?

Every day I turn on my computer, I learn something new. Isn't that cool?  38
years old and still learning.

Dan

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From: Maria Arango <Maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:14:19 -0800
Subject: [Baren 7863] Re: Speaking Greek 

Dan,
The Greek-to-English translation encyclopedia of hanga is in the Library
of Dave's http://www.w.com site. Check it out, download some of
those ol' wonderful books, sit back and relax and let the dictionary
speak to you some Japanese terms, also check out the one-point lessons.
There's enough there to keep any of us busy surfing for months and
months learning all the intricacies of traditional Japanese printmaking.

That, of course, will bring up more questions!
Have gobs of fun,
Maria

- --
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Maria Arango, Printmaker
The Printmaking Studio
http://www.printmakingstudio.com
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>




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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:32:50 -0800
Subject: [Baren 7864] Learning 

>Good morning all, am I the only one who feels that sometimes ya'll speak
>Greek?
>
>It looks like I'll have to go to Grahams school just so that I can
>understand what ya'll are talking about all the time.  Wet paper? Paste?
>Huh?
>
>Every day I turn on my computer, I learn something new. Isn't that cool?  38
>years old and still learning.
>

Dan,

At 67, and just 25 mentally..... Don't ever stop learning.
You godda reach those plateaus.....

Sorry but Boot Camp is full if all the bods come on stream.
We can put you on a waiting list.

Graham



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From: "Daniel Dew" <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Baren 7865] Re: Learning 

Ever consider coming down to sunshiny Florida for a demo?

Might even put you up for a day or two.

Gator meat is yummy.

Dan Dew

- ----------
>From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
>To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>Subject: [Baren 7864] Learning
>Date: Fri, Jan 21, 2000, 11:32 AM
>

>>Good morning all, am I the only one who feels that sometimes ya'll speak
>>Greek?
>>
>>It looks like I'll have to go to Grahams school just so that I can
>>understand what ya'll are talking about all the time.  Wet paper? Paste?
>>Huh?
>>
>>Every day I turn on my computer, I learn something new. Isn't that cool?  38
>>years old and still learning.
>>
>
> Dan,
>
> At 67, and just 25 mentally..... Don't ever stop learning.
> You godda reach those plateaus.....
>
> Sorry but Boot Camp is full if all the bods come on stream.
> We can put you on a waiting list.
>
> Graham
>
> 

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= <aenaonartst@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:23:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 7866] Re: Speaking Greek 

Well, Daniel!
Considering that nearly 50.000 words of the English language are Greek, I
believe you should check for a new expression!
Besides that, you must always keep in mind that using the exact
terminology in any kind of work, means also leaving the unaware outside...
That's why it is important to remember that:"Nobody knew until he learned"
regards,
Dimitris

- --- Daniel Dew <ddew@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Good morning all, am I the only one who feels that sometimes ya'll speak
> 
> Greek?

> Dan
> 

=====
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__________________________________________________
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From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" <studiojnc@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Baren 7867] Re: Exhibition and Web Page charset="iso-8859-1" 

Don

Will be anxious to meet you and see your demo in intaglio. The more I learn,
the more I find that I do not know. (Someone said that once)

Jeanne N.


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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:51:55 -0600
Subject: [Baren 7868] re: Japanese paper-making 

I was cleaning house and going thru some old emails and came across this one
Baren post I made back in 2/11/98 regarding japanese paper........thought it
might be interesteing to some of the newer members.....it is regarding a
discussion we were having related to "who" actually was making Dave's hosho
paper........

Dave.......did you ever find out who is actually making your hand-made paper ?

Julio
- -----------------start of old post-----------------------


"Baren readers... I still have not figure out how to correct the problem with
the "junk" characters...sorry for the incovenience..

Dave; okay....I got more info on your Mr. Iwano.....and yes he's been dead for
quite a while....1976.

There is a book (here I go again with my books...) called... WASHI - The World
of Japanese Paper, by Sukey Hughes,published by Kodansha Int. Ltd, 1978,
printed in Japan, LCC# 77-74831, ISBN # 0-87011-318-6,
JBC: 1072-786681-2361

Anyways...this is quite a book...all you ever want to know about japanese
paper-making. It's quite large ( 9"x12") and all 360 pages are dedicated to
washi. There is a complete section of b&w photos approx. 80-100 pages (just
pictures !) showing these paper makers in a step-by-step process. The author
covers quite a number of  villages (Kurodani, Otaki, Warabi, Yoshino,Shiroishi,
etc) and explains differences between families and their techniques.
This book is a treatise on the traditional japanese way of making paper. There
are several interviews/references to masters of the art.  Of course there is a
good deal dedicated to Ichibei Iwano and it reads like an in-person interview.
I recognize his picture and those of his sons from my other book. Just by the
large number of photos of him & his family at work...It looks like an in-person
interview. I quote from the writing about Iwano:

"This paper is so strong that , grasping it with the hands across the grain, a
man trying with all his strength to pull it apart can not tear it....experts
estimate his paper will last more than 1500 years....Iwano beats the fibers
with long hardwood bats without the aid of machines..his the only surviving
shop in Japan to do all the fiber beating by hand, this work IS NOW CARRIED ON
BY HIS SON, as it has for the past several years".

The chapter goes on to describe Iwano's methods and his findings about
paper-making chemistry.  Such things like....heat (in boiling, etc.) acting on
residual matter in the fibers turning cellulose into starch sugar (worm food
!). Or that hand-beating tends to spread the Kozo fibers out while
machine-beating tends to shred and cut the fibers lengthwise (thus reducing
final paper strength ?) or that river washing is better compared to bleaching,
etc .

If you are into japanese paper try to get a hold of a copy of this book. You
can tell that the author (who lived in Japan for a number of years and trained
under master Seikichiro Goto (also a printmaker!) has a love for this art and
these people she describes and got to know.

One last thought from Ichibei Iwano himself; "who refused to teach the craft to
anyone other than his immediate family (two sons and their wives)":
"The work is too arduous, the young can't take it. I have visited not a few
villages where no one under fifty is making paper. What will happen when these
elder craftmen die ?"

- ----------------------end of original post---------------------



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From: "Jandi Goshert" <jandilea@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:29:43 PST
Subject: [Baren 7869] Re: hard times ???? 

I used to play a computer game called Adventure on my Texas Instruments 
computer.  It was all text based.  You had to type in two word commands like 
"OPEN DOOR"  and I had to save my game on audio cassettes.  Does it sound 
like the same thing...just curious...a blast from the past.

>From: Studio Dalwood <severn@acay.com.au>
>Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>Subject: [Baren 7831] Re: hard times ????
>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:00:22 +1100
>
>Graham
>
>My first home pc was a mac. Back in the early eighties, the first one. I
>was learning unix on the uni's big mainframes at the time, and playing
>Adventure which was one of, if not the, first computer adventure game.
>It preceeded Zork and all the others that were later modelled on it.
>
>The uni's here all seem to have mac labs but I know that is because they
>get a special deal in the hope that students all go out and buy macs.
>
>Anyway, what I mean to say is I have a foot in both camps. Anyone want
>to buy me a brand new mac? Or a Pentium laptop so I can [baren] in bed?
>
>Julio, Im jealous.
>Josephine
>
>Graham Scholes wrote:
> >
> > >Josephine you are having a bad link day or my mac is giving me a hard
> > >time.  I would like to participate in the tree exchange.  Ruth
> > >--
> > >http://www.ruthleaf.com
> >
> > Macs giving a hard time    I DOUBT IT.....
> > Excuse the shouting......
> >
> > Graham

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From: "John Ryrie" <johnry@hotkey.net.au>
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:24:24 +1100
Subject: [Baren 7870] Barry Moser charset="iso-8859-1" 

I just realised who Barry Moser is, I have seen his illustrations for Alice
in Wonderland and Moby Dick.
    I'm not surprised that he had a part in the development of Resegrave.
    I sore a copy of his limited edition Alice in Wonderland in the Brisbane
state Library.
    After he had finished the illustrations for this book (which was years
of work) and before it had been printed, every block split down the Center.
    This was ether because of climate or because the wood hadn't been
seasoned propoly.
    He had to engrave the whole book again.
    The copy I sore had a separate folio with the original prints, showing
the cracks.
I haven't seen the Bible yet.
    It will be about three times the price to get hear so I hope the library
gets a copy.

John


http://www.geocities.com/laddertree



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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:52:12 -0800
Subject: [Baren 7871] residency charset="iso-8859-1" 

Here's one for the Bareners:

The Hungarian Multicultural Center, Inc. (HMC) is soliciting entry for 
one month studio in Balatonfured at Lake Balaton (50 miles from 
Budapest).  The HMC will provide opportunity for fourteen artists to 
compete and exhibit at the end of the residency.
Deadline: March 15, 2000
Dates: July 1-28, 2000
Juried/5 slides/$25
For PROS send SASE
HMC, Inc.
6723 Forest Lane, Dallas, TX 75230





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Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:19:47 -0500
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From: Studio Dalwood <severn@acay.com.au>
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:10:36 +1100
Subject: [Baren 7873] Stuff 

Jandi said
"I used to play a computer game called Adventure on my Texas Instruments 
computer.  It was all text based.  You had to type in two word commands
like
"OPEN DOOR"  and I had to save my game on audio cassettes.  Does it
sound 
like the same thing...just curious...a blast from the past."

That's it! They eventually brought out a pc version. The one I played
was the original developed by the guys at MIT? not sure where. But fun
too.  they said "You'll never get it up the stairs"... I did. I have got
the complete infocom games in boxed set including all the zork ones and
the sorcerer ones. Many hours of fun. But very old fashioned these days.
Wonder if they have a website? have been avoiding the games side of the
net for good reason.

Re Paper

Thanks Julio for your post on paper. It was interesting. I have found
out from the papermaking girls that the substance I require is calcium
carbonate. I should have known this myself. Thanks for the addresses too
JR. This means I can recycle acidic paper and make it non acidic in the
process.

I bought something labelled 'khozo' from the art shop. She had no idea
what she was selling so where it is from or what quality kozo it is I
have no idea. It was the only seemingly suitable paper in the whole
shop, though I bought a few odd sheets of other things to try as well. I
tried it with oil based ink and my trusty wooden spoon (love that spoon)
and it printed fine to my needs. I tried white ink on the cream. Very
fragile and subtle looking prints. Definately for hand viewing though,
you have to hold them just so to see the print.

David, hope the show goes well for you. You seem to have the marketing
side of things together really well. And can teach us all something of
this too I'm sure. Perhaps this is something we could all discuss, what
does and doesnt work in marketing prints and in educating the public
about them. Both you and Graham seem to successfully break the 'rules'
all the time. When you can finally put your feet up and chat I mean.

Josephine

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