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Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Friday, 28 January 2000 Volume 10 : Number 879 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 7997] Re: bad print framing Hi,Wanda! estimating the strength of the glue on the tape and the time it's been there , I'd try some nice and healthy steam, ONE SIDE at a time.That should loosen up the tape enough to peel it off.Afterwards, depending on the extend that glue's left on the paper , you could try and clean it with a bit of cotton and aceton(is that the right word for H2O2?).It is preferable that the paper be hand-made! Hope this helps, Dimitris > Now that I've ranted and raved - is there any safe way to get the > masking tape & it's glue off, and stop the deterioration caused by the > print being sealed against cardboard like that? > > Wanda > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Dutch Stowe Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:43:55 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7998] Suggestion I sort of agree with Julio Julio Wrote >After spending 2-3 months working on a project....(I guess some of us work >faster than that!) it would seem reasonable that >we would want to share with others about our motivation, inspiration, technique >& problems encountered during the >making of these prints. I would expect a lot more discussion on the "How Did You Do That" kind of questions Dave Wrote >I'm not sure about the best way to handle this. Perhaps each of us could >publicly share the most interesting and useful critiques that come in, >by reposting them here. But publicly posting private emails from people >is not such a good habit to get into ... Any suggestions on how to >handle this will be greatly appreciated. >Maybe without mentioning the name of the 'critiquer'? That might work. >To get things started, I'll post one that I myself received last night. >In case the sender is embarrassed, I'll leave off the n ame (He/she can >'own up' if they so wish! :-) Maybe that we could confine the public discussions to "How To" or "How did you " and leave out any Critique as that seems to be what most of the members seem to not want public. I know that personally that is one of the scariest parts to my Collage Art Classes and I have to work very hard to not take it personally and use those comments to improve my art work Thank You Dutch Stowe North Hollywood Ca USA ------------------------------ From: patsy giclas Date: 28 Jan 00 10:29:04 -0700 Subject: [Baren 7999] Re: bad print framing Reply to: RE: [Baren 7997] Re: bad print framing As a newcomer to Baren, allow me to introduce myself, first. I am a = scientist (immunology) and artist/printmaker, so I have a dual personality = (that's better than split!). I couldn't resist the urge to respond to = Dimitris' question about acetone. It's NOT H2O2 (that's hydrogen peroxide,= a strong oxidizing agent (bleach) that you probably don't want to use on = paper). Acetone (CH3C0CH3) is a solvent for fats, oils, resins, waxes, = rubber, plastics, lacquers, varnishes, rubber cements, etc. = Now that I've broken the ice (crystalline H2O), I'd like to ask a question = of everyone. I'm planning a studio for printmaking and painting, and would= like to know what is the one thing that you feel is essential. You can = respond to me off-list if you prefer and I will summarize the responses if = there is interest from the group. Patsy Giclas, PhD National Jewish Medical and Research Center Denver, CO 80206 USA giclasp@njc.org = On 1/28/00, dimitris grammatikopulos wrote: Hi,Wanda! estimating the strength of the glue on the tape and the time it's been there , I'd try some nice and healthy steam, ONE SIDE at a time.That should loosen up the tape enough to peel it off.Afterwards, depending on the extend that glue's left on the paper , you could try and clean it with a bit of cotton and aceton(is that the right word for H2O2?).It is preferable that the paper be hand-made! Hope this helps, Dimitris > Now that I've ranted and raved - is there any safe way to get the > masking tape & it's glue off, and stop the deterioration caused by the > print being sealed against cardboard like that? = > = > Wanda > = __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com RFC822 header - ----------------------------------- Status: U Return-Path: Received: from ml-dist.xx.or.jp ([202.224.39.110]) by nero.njc.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 242 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:58:36 -0700 Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by ml-dist.xx.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id XAA17933; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA36482; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:58:19 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:58:19 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA54130 for baren-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:55:50 +0900 Message-Id: <200001281355.WAA54130@ml.xx.or.jp> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: =3D?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=3D20grammatikopulos?=3D Subject: [Baren 7997] Re: bad print framing To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. ------------------------------ From: Larry_Giacoletti@WHITNEY.ORG Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8000] Re: bad print framing charset="iso-8859-1" 1. Good Ventilation.(pure an simple) - -L@rry Giacoletti - -----Original Message----- From: patsy giclas [mailto:giclasp@njc.org] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:29 PM To: baren Subject: [Baren 7999] Re: bad print framing Reply to: RE: [Baren 7997] Re: bad print framing As a newcomer to Baren, allow me to introduce myself, first. I am a scientist (immunology) and artist/printmaker, so I have a dual personality (that's better than split!). I couldn't resist the urge to respond to Dimitris' question about acetone. It's NOT H2O2 (that's hydrogen peroxide, a strong oxidizing agent (bleach) that you probably don't want to use on paper). Acetone (CH3C0CH3) is a solvent for fats, oils, resins, waxes, rubber, plastics, lacquers, varnishes, rubber cements, etc. Now that I've broken the ice (crystalline H2O), I'd like to ask a question of everyone. I'm planning a studio for printmaking and painting, and would like to know what is the one thing that you feel is essential. You can respond to me off-list if you prefer and I will summarize the responses if there is interest from the group. Patsy Giclas, PhD National Jewish Medical and Research Center Denver, CO 80206 USA giclasp@njc.org On 1/28/00, dimitris grammatikopulos wrote: Hi,Wanda! estimating the strength of the glue on the tape and the time it's been there , I'd try some nice and healthy steam, ONE SIDE at a time.That should loosen up the tape enough to peel it off.Afterwards, depending on the extend that glue's left on the paper , you could try and clean it with a bit of cotton and aceton(is that the right word for H2O2?).It is preferable that the paper be hand-made! Hope this helps, Dimitris > Now that I've ranted and raved - is there any safe way to get the > masking tape & it's glue off, and stop the deterioration caused by the > print being sealed against cardboard like that? > > Wanda > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com RFC822 header - ----------------------------------- Status: U Return-Path: Received: from ml-dist.xx.or.jp ([202.224.39.110]) by nero.njc.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 242 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:58:36 -0700 Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by ml-dist.xx.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id XAA17933; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA36482; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:58:19 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:58:19 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA54130 for baren-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:55:50 +0900 Message-Id: <200001281355.WAA54130@ml.xx.or.jp> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Subject: [Baren 7997] Re: bad print framing To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. ------------------------------ From: "Rich" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:41:16 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8001] speed boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF6973.D2D6A0E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF6973.D2D6A0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow Dave, =20 I moan and groan about printing a run of 30 a day. My block sizes are = larger, 16" x 20" about, and I am printing with oil base ink so I take = the block off the press, roll up the ink, apply it to the block, clean = the clear areas of the block by hand, return it to the press, register = the paper, and print. Your method must be much more efficient. Still = you have to deal with all the water issues. Keeping a consistant amount = of moisture in the paper and the ink. How many proofs do the rest of you manage a day? Andrea Rich - ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF6973.D2D6A0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow Dave, 
I moan and groan about printing a run = of 30 a=20 day.  My block sizes are larger, 16" x 20" about, and I am printing = with=20 oil base ink so I take the block off the press, roll up the ink, apply = it to the=20 block, clean the clear areas of the block by hand, return it to the = press,=20 register the paper, and print.  Your method must be much more=20 efficient.  Still you have to deal with all the water issues.  = Keeping=20 a consistant amount of moisture in the paper and the ink.
 
How many proofs do the rest of you = manage a=20 day?
 
Andrea Rich
- ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01BF6973.D2D6A0E0-- ------------------------------ From: "Jandi Goshert" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:37:45 PST Subject: [Baren 8002] At long last! Finally! My press has arrived! Now the only question is how do I get this 125 lb monster up my spiral stairs?? :) Trust me, I will find a way tonite when I get home from work. Boy, was it tough to have to leave that bugger in the box and come in to the office! Anyway, I'm very very excited and hope that I can finish my dragon print this weekend. I've got my first step carved, so I'm ready to go. I'm planning a 4-color reduction print, so it all depends on drying time. I'm using waterbased inks, though, so it should not be a problem. I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!! I got some other great news I'd like to share. I've gotten a solo showing at a gallery close to my hometown (first solo show ever!). It's actually a restored brewery that houses 2 restaurants and offers "medieval feasts" in the catacombs of the building. They have a small gallery space that I will have all to myself from Mid-February to the end of March. The name of the place is Bube's Brewery in Mt. Joy, PA. Anyone ever heard of it? I still have to work out all the details with the proprietor - I will be sure to pass on more info when I get it! WOW! What a week it has been. Finally, I feel like things are looking up, up, up!! Thanks to the Baren folks for lifting my spirits and providing such a great opportunity to learn and share and get inspired! Look for my happy-go-lucky dragon in the mail very soon! Thanks again! Jandi (and you thought Dave used alot of exclamations!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jandi Goshert" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:42:14 PST Subject: [Baren 8003] Re: bad print framing 2. A comfortable work station at the right height. Lower back pains - ugh! >I'm planning a studio for printmaking and painting, and would >like to know what is the one thing that you feel is essential. You can >respond to me off-list if you prefer and I will summarize the responses if >there is interest from the group. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Rich" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:00:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8004] exchange 4 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF6976.89A4CE80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF6976.89A4CE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just looked at the exchange 4 prints and found them really = interesting. To see how others see themselves, or is it how they would = like us to see them. So much more interesting than looking at photos = isn't it. What a rich collection. I think it was the strongest so far. = Perhaps because everyone knew there subject so well. =20 Andrea Rich - ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF6976.89A4CE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just looked at the exchange 4 prints = and found=20 them really interesting.  To see how others see themselves, or is = it how=20 they would like us to see them.  So much more interesting than = looking at=20 photos isn't it.  What a rich collection.  I think it was the=20 strongest so far.  Perhaps because everyone knew there subject so=20 well. 
 
Andrea Rich
- ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BF6976.89A4CE80-- ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:21:41 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8005] Re: #4 kento lines Oops, sorry Graham - someone else must have said that. Do you all hear that? Graham does not cut paper! Boy, am I in for it now! From now on, someone else answers those questions about boot camp...... Wanda ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:23:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8006] Re: bad print framing I guess with all my ranting and raving, I did not fill eveyone in on exactly what kind of print it is. It is a Hanga print on what looks to be handmade hosho paper. The crane is white with embossed feathers (the Japanese name for that escapes me) I'm sure it is water-based pigment. There is a red square chop mark with a small round one underneath it. I was so excited to find a Hanga print, and the cranes have always been my favorite subject. I have taken it out of the frame, but it is still masking taped to the back of the mat (which I'm sure is not acid free, either) I'm not doing anything to it until I get some sound advice. Also, you all may be interested in what the seller had it marked as. "Hand pressed paper - quill painted" Heeheehee! Wanda ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:25:15 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8007] Re: bad print framing Hi everyone - thank you, Jack,Josephine, Dimitris, Barbara, & Jan! I have a quick & dirty & (sorry) big scan of this print up at: http://web-ster.com/robertson/Cranescan As you can see, I scanned it in 2 parts - and it is still in the mat. It may just be a throw-away print, but I like it & would like to have it cleaned up & preserved if possible. Heck, even if I have to spend some $ on it! What do you think? Any guesses (or someone who can read the chop mark?) as to who & when the artist did this? I love the simplicity and the stark graphic quality of it. And the detail in the legs of the bird & the eyes. Wanda ------------------------------ From: Larry_Giacoletti@WHITNEY.ORG Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:27:55 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8008] RE: At long last! charset="iso-8859-1" What kind of press did you get? The only reason I ask is that I am in the neighborhood to get a press and I was wondering where to inquire. If you don't mind me asking, what's the press bed size and how much was it? Thank you for all info. - -Larry Giacoletti - -----Original Message----- From: Jandi Goshert [mailto:jandilea@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:38 PM To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: [Baren 8002] At long last! Finally! My press has arrived! Now the only question is how do I get this 125 lb monster up my spiral stairs?? :) Trust me, I will find a way tonite when I get home from work. Boy, was it tough to have to leave that bugger in the box and come in to the office! Anyway, I'm very very excited and hope that I can finish my dragon print this weekend. I've got my first step carved, so I'm ready to go. I'm planning a 4-color reduction print, so it all depends on drying time. I'm using waterbased inks, though, so it should not be a problem. I'M SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!! I got some other great news I'd like to share. I've gotten a solo showing at a gallery close to my hometown (first solo show ever!). It's actually a restored brewery that houses 2 restaurants and offers "medieval feasts" in the catacombs of the building. They have a small gallery space that I will have all to myself from Mid-February to the end of March. The name of the place is Bube's Brewery in Mt. Joy, PA. Anyone ever heard of it? I still have to work out all the details with the proprietor - I will be sure to pass on more info when I get it! WOW! What a week it has been. Finally, I feel like things are looking up, up, up!! Thanks to the Baren folks for lifting my spirits and providing such a great opportunity to learn and share and get inspired! Look for my happy-go-lucky dragon in the mail very soon! Thanks again! Jandi (and you thought Dave used alot of exclamations!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:49:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8009] Re: Discussing number four Josephine and Julio both are correct. Criticism is a VERY important part of growth as an artist. It is required as part of the art curriculum in Texas. Unfortunatly many teachers skip or skim this part, and I think their students are short changed by it. I think Josephnie said it best below, people never want to hear they haven't done it perfectly. They have to work to their best abilities, with the hard knowledge that they will never be perfect. There is always someone better, some way to improve. I think the biggest thrill for me is when I can look at the art work of someone I admire and I realize that I now understand how they got there. I may not yet have the technical skill (yet), but now I understand how to get there. Criticism helps me not have to "reinvent the wheel" all by myself. But it's scary, you don't know what people are going to say. Sometimes I have to remind myself of the level from which the other person is speaking from, that it's not a personal thing. I remind my students of these points a lot! We do critiques at the end of every project. It's hard at first, they never want to say anything bad about their friends. Then they have to learn to give a complement and constructive criticism. I struggle with this everyday. But my reward is when I walk by a table and they are giving critiques during production, when they become the teacher, and begin to help share and guide each other. I agree with we need more constructive criticism on the list. I've done criticism with kindergarten through 5th and with currently teach 7th and 8th, I have watched my students skills grow exponentially. I think we can learn a lot form each other, I already do....:) (big smile) I look forward to hearing from you on exchange 5. Finally sitting in the SHORT Texas winter (die bugs, die!!), Christina - --- Studio Dalwood wrote: > The best critique sessions take place in an open > discussion session with > all present and willing to be honest about what they > think and receivers > being prepared to be publically shown their flaws. A > hard ask, and > something that needs to be done in the flesh. > Bringing the discussion > back onto the forum would be one solution, but I'm > not sure its the > best, or one that you should go with. > Josephine > Flu-ridden here in rainy Australia > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:52:44 -1000 Subject: [Baren 8010] Re: bad print framing Wanda wrote: > > > It is a Hanga print on what looks to be handmade hosho paper. The crane > is white with embossed feathers (the Japanese name for that escapes me) > I'm sure it is water-based pigment. There is a red square chop mark with > a small round one underneath it. I was so excited to find a Hanga print, > and the cranes have always been my favorite subject. > > I have taken it out of the frame, but it is still masking taped to the > back of the mat (which I'm sure is not acid free, either) I'm not doing > anything to it until I get some sound advice. Ok, now I have something to work with. The first step is to do a little research on the print, find out the artist, whether it is a first print or a later re-print, and a relative value. If it is indeed a valuable print, I would recommend that you contact a paper conservator with experience in Japanese prints to do the work. If it is not too valuable, and you are comfortable taking the risks of doing it yourself, then here goes! First, since it is water based pigment, and especially because it is embossed, DO NOT use any water on it, not even steam, or you run the risk of bleeding the pigment and loosing the embossing. Although there are better solvents to remove the tape adhesive (xylene, benzene...) I would recommend acetone, as the others are just too nasty for home use. When applying the acetone, try to "ring" the tape spot, that is, apply it - -around- the adhesive, so that it soaks in toward the middle. Otherwise, if you apply it first to the middle of the spot, it may carry discoloration out into the paper, and make a bigger spot. When the adhesive seems to have lost it's hold, gently lift the tape off. You may be able to remove most of the remaining adhesive with a "Q" tip soaked in acetone. Unfortunately, the brown staining that is often left in the paper by the masking tape adhesive is very difficult to remove, and if it is not in the design area, I wouldn't try. If it is in the design area, or you just want it out, I would recommend again that you turn the job over to a paper conservator. Now, as for the possibility of acid transfer to the print from the backing, I don't think you have to worry much past removing it from the backing. The bulk of the damage is done through contact with the acidic backing, and at any rate, the procedure for the removal of acid from the print is perhaps more risky than the possibility of damage from the acid. Lastly, the removal of the foxing stains usually involves a water born bleach of one kind or another, and it is too risky for a water based print, let alone an embossed one. If it is really obvious, or really bugs you, I would again recommend consulting a paper conservator. I know that I haven't given you easy solutions, but Japanese prints are touchy things, perhaps the hardest paper objects to work on from a conservator's point of view, much less forgiving that western prints, drawings, etc., and they are very easy to screw up beyond repair, so it is important that you proceed with care, and make all your decisions ahead of time, as you can't just click on undo. Jack ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Wilson Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:11:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baren 8011] Re: bad print framing Forgive me all if this has already posted, but I wasn't sure. Wanda: There is a paper conservator (AIC) with the Portland Art Museum: Elizabeth Chambers (503) 226-2811 ext. 216. You'll probably get your best advice from her regarding care and necessary cleaning, etc. Good luck! Cyndy Wilson >>I have taken it out of the frame, but it is still masking taped to the back of the mat (which I'm sure is not acid free, either) I'm not doing anything to it until I get some sound advice. << Wanda ------------------------------ From: "Jandi Goshert" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:34:14 PST Subject: [Baren 8012] Re: At long last! I ordered it from Dick Blick. I had quite a time getting it, though. I placed the order in October and between then and now I got 4 or 5 different dates as to when my back order would be filled. Each time I talked to them they told me it was expected to come in a few weeks. It was a BIG headache and as a result, I had to wait 4 months for the thing. Anyway, it's an 18" x 36". and it cost $899. They have a smaller version (12" x 24") and I believe that one runs for $599. Dick Blick has a web site at www.dickblick.com if you want to check it out. They've recently expanded their page to include more items pictured/described. When I first joined Baren, there was discussion about my press and whether I should get another brand. I had already ordered my Dick Blick, though. Anyway, maybe other members have some input on presses that could help you before you purchase... One suggestion...if you do order from Dick Blick, ask if the item is on back order BEFORE you place the order! >From: Larry_Giacoletti@WHITNEY.ORG >Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp >To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp >Subject: [Baren 8008] RE: At long last! >Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:27:55 -0500 > >What kind of press did you get? The only reason I ask is that I am in the >neighborhood to get a press and I was wondering where to inquire. If you >don't mind me asking, what's the press bed size and how much was it? > >Thank you for all info. >-Larry Giacoletti > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jandi Goshert [mailto:jandilea@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:38 PM >To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp >Subject: [Baren 8002] At long last! > > >Finally! My press has arrived! Now the only question is how do I get this >125 lb monster up my spiral stairs?? :) Trust me, I will find a way >tonite > >when I get home from work. Boy, was it tough to have to leave that bugger >in the box and come in to the office! > >Anyway, I'm very very excited and hope that I can finish my dragon print >this weekend. I've got my first step carved, so I'm ready to go. I'm >planning a 4-color reduction print, so it all depends on drying time. I'm >using waterbased inks, though, so it should not be a problem. I'M SO >EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!! > >I got some other great news I'd like to share. I've gotten a solo showing >at a gallery close to my hometown (first solo show ever!). It's actually a >restored brewery that houses 2 restaurants and offers "medieval feasts" in >the catacombs of the building. They have a small gallery space that I will >have all to myself from Mid-February to the end of March. The name of the >place is Bube's Brewery in Mt. Joy, PA. Anyone ever heard of it? I still >have to work out all the details with the proprietor - I will be sure to >pass on more info when I get it! > >WOW! What a week it has been. Finally, I feel like things are looking up, >up, up!! Thanks to the Baren folks for lifting my spirits and providing >such a great opportunity to learn and share and get inspired! > >Look for my happy-go-lucky dragon in the mail very soon! > >Thanks again! Jandi > >(and you thought Dave used alot of exclamations!) >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Wanda Robertson Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8013] Re: bad print framing Thanks, Cyndy, I will let all of you know what I find out! Wanda ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #879 ****************************