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Baren Digest              Tuesday, 1 February 2000      Volume 10 : Number 885


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From: "Jandi Goshert" <jandilea@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:30:22 PST
Subject: [Baren 8093] Re: print # 

granted, i am a little hyper since i got my press, but i've just finished 48 
prints of my dragon - started saturday morning and it's a 4 color reduction 
print (including white).  so, in between each color, i had to carve the next 
step.  in addition to that, i've also carved another plate and played around 
with printing some old stuff.
anyway, let's see...i probably spent about 2 hours on printing each color, 
so that's about 25 prints in an hour. (4x5)
i doubt this manic behavior will continue as is.
MUST PRINT NOW!  MUST PRINT NOW!
no, really, i'll be fine.
jandi

>From: Shireen Holman <shireenh@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp
>Subject: [Baren 8055] Re: print #
>Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:47:31 -0500
>
>At 09:36 AM 1/29/00 -0800, Graham wrote:
>
>>For me if I can do one colour on 30 pieces of paper in 2 or 3 hours,
>>depending on the complexity and bokashi, I figure I am going like
>>stink......
>
>Using oil based inks and an etching press, I can print one colour on 30
>pieces of paper in about 6 hours! I'm a real slow poke!
>Shireen
>
>
>
>***********************************************
>Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist
>email: shireenh@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~shireenh/
>***********************************************
>

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From: "Jandi Goshert" <jandilea@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:34:53 PST
Subject: [Baren 8094] Re: LETTER ART 

I like this idea.  In fact, it's kind of funny that you mention it, because 
calligraphy is something that i'm hoping to incorporate more into my work.  
I guess I could say that calligraphy was my first step into the art world 
and sort of the doorway that led me to where i am now.  anyhoo...i love it!  
plus, it conveniently fits into my own agenda.
jandi
USA  : )

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:42:38 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8095] A Standard of Quality.  

Ishita (Dave S) wrote....

Right on the money Dave.
You and I must have come from the same school....

I don't see a solution as there is no adjudication so it boils down to a
mich mach of work. Mind you it was never started with the idea of a
standard and I have hoped that, by helping in the teaching department, that
the standard would improve through contributions and osmosis.  Am I
dreaming?

I have only taken part in one.... that is setting time to create a piece in
the time frame alloted... Most times there is not enough time and did pull
out of 2 Exchange.  The first one, Fisher, I happened to have something
hanging around. The Rain Dance was a piece I was working on prior to the
exchange and the 2 1/2  months it took to finalize the prints fitted the
deadline.

Last fall I suggest that more time be allotted but nothing happened in that
regard... I don't recall any dialogue about my suggestion....   However it
was in part for the same reasons you put forward now.
Sausage factory comes to mind.

What you have said is all very right and can only hope that with the up
coming discussion some good ideas come forth......

Regards,

Graham



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From: "Keri & Tom Marion" <smarmy@att.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:43:02 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8096] hi! boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF6C1B.00E83D00" 

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hey, you guys talk A LOT.
haha.. i've not been able to contribute my fabulous wit because there's just
too much information. I am going to re-evaluate the email situation so that
I can get a grasp on at least four of the present conversations.

Is there another exchange planned? I'm a block carvin' lunatic. I thought I
heard some talk about  a new exchange, but then I just noticed that the last
ones were just sent out, no?

ye gods!

I'm still a bit lost on the bible thing.. I feel like I've been hit with a
boulder.

ok, i feel a little better now. I'm not ignoring you, I just can't keep up.
gonna try a little harder now :)
~km


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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:42:07 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8097] deadlines 

I can appreciate that deadlines do make it hard to contribute at times,
but three months is quite a while to do an edition, if that is all you
are doing. If you work (some of us are still doing the 9 to 5 thing) and
do art in the evenings and on weekends it gets harder.
I am definitely a person that responds to pressure, without deadlines, I
would never get things done. Woodblock is a different animal, you can't
rush it. I am trying and not succeeding. I am having to revamp the way I
work. My goal is to have a show in the sprint of 2001 that is all
woodblock. If it is all Hanga I will really have met my private goal, if
not, at least it will be all woodblock. Lets see, that is 14 months
away, how many prints can I do in 14 months? Hummmm. You are all
invited, I'll keep you posted. This is pressure, but a different more
long drawn out pressure.

This is an amazing commitment from a printmaker who had never done a
woodblock before finding this site on the internet 10 months ago. I have
a whole new appreciation for a part of printmaking I paid little
attention to before the Baren.

The exchanges will keep me moving and learning, I love them. I love them
more when they aren't so close together, every three months is good.
Barbara




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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 18:28:43 -1000
Subject: [Baren 8098] Re: A Standard of Quality. 

Graham Scholes wrote:

>
> Last fall I suggest that more time be allotted but nothing happened in that
> regard... I don't recall any dialogue about my suggestion....   However it
> was in part for the same reasons you put forward now.
> Sausage factory comes to mind.

I am not participating in the exchanges (yet), but have a suggestion. If a
person participates in every few exchanges, they would have a lot more time to
plan and complete an edition. To make this work, though, the specifications
for exchanges (paper size and subject), and sign up list need to be set a few
exchanges into the future, so that those that wish to have longer to
contemplate and work on a future exchange can do so. There you go, no more
short deadlines.

Jack



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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:14:14 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8099] home! charset="iso-8859-1" 

I can't believe it!  I came home from my itty bitty camping trip - no more
than 4 nights and found 130 messages on the Baren.  They are so intense and
varied I can't figure out what's going on.  My Exchange #4 prints arrived,
Maria, you demon - Thank you,  Saw the info on the council and think it is
great - also saw your input Maria, on a newsletter - I will help if I can -
some very nice comments on my #4 print - thank you - I'll be spending the
next couple of days trying to catch up, learning how to use my new digital
camera that arrived while I was gone and enjoying looking at #4 - you are
quite a prolific bunch! Bea Gold

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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:36:01 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8100] exchanges 

Jack,
That was such a good idea about the exchanges. so obvious. You get a
gold star!
Barbara

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From: David Bull <davebull@w.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:56:45 +0900
Subject: [Baren 8101] Re: Council matters and nifty prints ... 

Josephine wrote:
> I'd like to know the composition of the council please?

I've updated the web site with that information ...

http://w.com/forum/information.html

 
> I too object to the introduction
> of a hierarchical structure. 

I'm sorry you feel this way.  Any organization needs structure, and as
[Baren] takes this step from private ownership to public management, it
is essential that there be a structure in place to guide it along the
way. It is also important that the people who will be doing the guiding
be responsive to the membership, and I am pleased to report that this is
indeed the case. These people are not interested in 'power', they are
simply interested in keeping [Baren] alive and healthy.


> The fact that the sacred tree exchange has
> been so well attended indicates that it is a suitable subject for baren
> and casts doubts on the decision to reject it as a baren exchange.

There is a misconception here.  [Baren] is not trying to control and
organize 'life' for its members. [Baren] simply offers a place to
discuss woodblock printmaking, and in addition to this, organizes
various activities that members are welcome to join.  The tree exchange
simply didn't fit the current schedule. But the world of woodblock
printmaking is very wide indeed, and the internet is even wider still. 
There is plenty of room for any number of people to be organizing and
running any number of activities. I am most pleased to hear that the
tree exchange is attracting a lot of attention, and I give it every wish
for success. 


> I did not authorise an unknown committee to make decisions on my behalf.
> I dont like the secrecy in all this.

Again, I'm sorry that there are negative feelings here. If [Baren] is
going in directions that any particular member does not wish to follow,
he or she is certainly free to go their own way - we have no monopoly on
the concept of a discussion forum for woodblock printmaking.
'Unsubscribe' messages cross my desk every week ...

Our 'advocates diavoli' in Austria wrote:
> First we were discussing printmaking and that resulted in exchanges, 
> now we are discussing exchanges that result in printmaking.

Right you are, Michael!  OK, time for some prints!

I felt a bit hesitant to show this to you all, because it could start 
another round of "Hey, let's do this!", and believe me, we don't need 
another new project starting up just yet ...  But these prints are 
just so nifty that I think you will enjoy and learn from them.

It's a set of 12 prints that were given to me by an amateur printmaker
who visited my exhibition last week. Go take a look; I think you will
enjoy them!

http://w.com/temporary/calendar/index.html

Dave



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