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Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Sunday, 6 February 2000 Volume 10 : Number 893 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:17:27 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8227] Re: Couple of things ... charset="iso-8859-1" David Barentain Day?? Now we are exchanging Valentines? Feb. 14 the is Valentines Day. ???????? Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:40:56 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8228] Welcome Welcome Sharen and anyone else finally getting brave enough to post. If you have been listening for a year, you must know a lot of us already. As Dave says there are 100+ people getting these postings. I tend to forget that so if I have bored anyone in the last year, sorry. Thanks for those who sent me little tips on carving. It is amazing how this simple thing can be so darn hard. I have decided that maybe it is the wood. I am going to try all the tips and get lots of different wood. I'll let you know if I have any better results.The real problem is I am too picky, I want to have 10 years of experience in one year. Not one year, 10 times. Barbara ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:21:43 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8229] Re: flat files >>Graham, >> >>Flat as the proverbial... What? Opps..... I felt this was not appropriate to send via the server so sent it as personal posting. However I neglected to remove the post that was directed to the list server and it was automatically sent in the night. Blush, Graham ------------------------------ From: "Ittai Altshuler" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:43:44 +0200 Subject: [Baren 8230] Re: New member, New question -Graham charset="iso-8859-8-i" Hi Graham thank you for your effort yet i did not understood how it is help me. Please ittai - ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Scholes To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:28 PM Subject: [Baren 8215] Re: New member, New question > >Hello EveryOne > > > >My Name is Ittai altshuler an artist from Israel . > > > >Now is my question. What is the best way to register multi color print when > >you print manually and on papers with soft edges Japanese paper. > > > >Thank you and nice to be part of the group > >Ittai > > Welcome a board..... > > Kento marks. You can see the corner one at > http://members.home.net/woodblocks/kento.html > which is located on the bottom left corner of the carved plate. > The second (not illustrate) is a flat kento located about 3/4 the distance > along the bottom from the corner kento. The paper is cut clean on the > corner and in the appropriate position matching the bottom edge kento. > > If this is not clear let me know and I will make a page with pictures. > Maybe some one here knows where there is detailed pictures and discription > in the encyclopedia about this. > > > Graham > > > > ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:32:04 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8231] Re: Hello! >My name is Sharen Linder, and I'm a printmaker and painter from the Chicago >suburbs. Sharen Welcome to WWW. No, not the World Wide Wrestling..... No, not the World Wide Web.... but something more important. Wonderful World of Woodblock Graham ARTIST DON'T RETIRE ...........THEY DRAW TO A CONCLUSION Graham Scholes ............ E-Mail gscholes@home.com 11435 Hawthorne Pl. Sidney, BC. V8L 5J7 PHONE/FAX 250 655 0600 --- http://www.members.home.net/gscholes/ --- ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:37:26 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8232] Re: New member, New question -Graham >Hi >Graham thank you for your effort yet i did not understood how it is help me. >Please OK In about a week I will have time to create a page of the exact method and use of kento marks. This method of registration dates back 300 years give or take 1...... It is simple accurate and well....... perfect... Graham ------------------------------ From: "D. Dew" Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 13:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8233] Re: New member, New question -Graham I for one can't wait. my methods work, but just barely. I would love to find out the best way, as mine is not it. Dan Dew USA Hooked up at home and rockin. Questionaire coming soon.... - ---------- >From: Graham Scholes >To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp >Subject: [Baren 8232] Re: New member, New question -Graham >Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2000, 1:37 PM > >>Hi >>Graham thank you for your effort yet i did not understood how it is help me. >>Please > > > OK > In about a week I will have time to create a page of the exact method and > use of kento marks. > This method of registration dates back 300 years give or take 1...... > It is simple accurate and well....... perfect... > > Graham > > ------------------------------ From: Mary Krieger Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 14:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8234] ittai's question Ittai Altshuler wrote: > i did not understood how it is help me. Hi Ittai It will be easier to offer you more help if you could describe your printing method in more detail. The 'best' method of registration is the one that works for your situation. Do you work right to the edge of your wood block or do you leave a margin between your image and the edge of the block? Do you print to the edge of your paper or do you leave a margin of paper around the image? Do you cut separate blocks for each colour or use the same block carved away more and more for each successive colour? How close do you need your registration? Are you printing on a hand operated press or by rubbing the back of the paper with a baren or wooden spoon? What have you tried up to now? Mary Krieger Winnipeg MB Canada ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:42:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8235] Working together... Hello, Barenworld! Going through the Baren site,for any missed spots I came along the info page for #5 and I thought if there could be an evolution to the exchange thing.What I've thinking about is a page posted around from Barener to Barener and each would print his little contribution to it! Wouldn't that be intriguing? And what if there could be some text added from each one,concerning the subject,the technique or whatever relevant matter... Any linoleum left-overs,people? I've gone around all constructing-sites in my hometown looking for it?It hurts paying 100 English pounds for 9m2 to Lawrence and Co... Gravedigging, Dimitris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:00:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8236] Re: home! - --- Bea Gold wrote: > > I can't believe it! I came home from my itty bitty > camping trip - no more > than 4 nights and found 130 messages on the Baren. > I know how you feel Bea. I was sick for 5 days and when I next looked, I had 269 messages. I taking Sat. afternoon to catch up!! My two cents to follow..... One thing I have to say now, You guys are never boring!!! I never have to give up on you like lists in the past. Intead of bored I'm energized and hopping!!:) Christina ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:44:47 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8237] Linoleum formula......gravedigging. charset="iso-8859-1" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dimitris grammatikopulos" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: [Baren 8235] Working together... Dimitris....you know we all suffer from art material prices,..and we have a new member that is a chemist with a great knowledge of formulas,...could it be that there's something in the way of a formula for linoleum you could modify and make in small quanities...I think it's just asphaltum and cork, right? anyone??? Philip > Any linoleum left-overs,people? I've gone around all constructing-sites in > my hometown looking for it?It hurts paying 100 English pounds for 9m2 to > Lawrence and Co... > Gravedigging, > Dimitris > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:52:48 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8238] graham's info pages charset="iso-8859-1" Graham - your tips pages are excellent - thank you - Can you believe this novice has been asked to demonstrate the hanga technique for the LA Baren members - I will try - and I will use your pages! Thanks again, Bea ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Wilson Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:40:46 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8239] Re: New member, New question On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:32:38 +0200 "Ittai Altshuler" writes: > Hello EveryOne > > My Name is Ittai altshuler an artist from Israel . I am a painter > and > printer. Welcome to the group Ittai! Cyndy ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:57:49 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8240] Re: graham's info pages >Graham - your tips pages are excellent - thank you - Can you believe this >novice has been asked to demonstrate the hanga technique for the LA Baren >members - I will try - and I will use your pages! Thanks again, Bea That's good.... There is no better way to learn a subject than teach it. There is not better way to improve you teaching skill than to admit you don't know but you will find out. Best of luck. If you need some help I am here or a phone call away. 250 655 0600 Graham ps When does this happen.? ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Wilson Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:39:35 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8241] Re: Baren Digest V10 #890 On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:36:37 -0500 "Jeanne Norman Chase" writes: >> I just ordered a large roller from Rembrant. It should be here any > day now. Jeanne: How large is this roller that you ordered? What durometer is it? Is the rubber harder or softer as the number gets larger? I need to order an 18 " roller very soon and have forgotten which numbers go with softer and harder. Cyndy ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:08:05 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8242] rollers Cynthia, The rollersget harder as the numbers go up. A fairly soft roller is 35 durometer and a firm one is 50. I have both and I use the 50 durometer one more often. If you push down hard with the 35 duro roller for a viscosity print and then offset the roller to another plate, the image will distort from the roller. It is so soft it expands when you use pressure on it. I would go for the 50 durometer if you want it for regular every day use. Barbara ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:26:29 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8243] surimono print Dave, How do you decide which colors to print first? Is it purely arbitrary or is there some rule about light to dark? also when you printed the gradation on the water did you use the same color blue or is it a darker blue? Would you normally print the key block last but are showing it printed first for the photos of the birds to make it easier to understand? If you printed it last and your registration was off even a hair it would be bad...I can see myself running screaming from the room again with this! I am learning a lot watching this progress. Barbara ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:45:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8244] Re: So many exchanges! Graham, I think you, an established artist, have a very good point, if you want follow and become a professional artist you need to do shows to develope a name. However, I don't think that was Jeanne's point. She was speaking about thoses of us who use art to explore and nuture our souls. We are doctors, teachers, accountants, that is our profession. For some of us art is a call from deep inside, for others it a creative release. I think you both have good suggestions and ideas, but it seems your talking from different sides of the question. :) Christina - --- Graham Scholes wrote: > Jeanne N. wrote.... > > A lot of the artists are not into commercial art, > that is, they do not make > >a living selling their art, They have jobs and the > exchanges are a wonderful > >respite from their work. > Some good thoughts here....however------ > Here is a better one .... > > If you need to be under pressure or deadlines to do > your best then I > suggest you commit to a one person or small group > show and go to it..... > Exchanges do not do any of this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "David Stones" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:40:02 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8245] Re: Ba-re-n-ta-i-n-de charset="shift_jis" Dear Dave B and All, After some heavy philosophy burning up the postbag, Dave B's got a bit of fun in here... But, now we have to get the idea across that the Japanese version has the ladies giving chocolates to their male colleagues on the 14th... How about a print of chocolate fudge for a (ex) change? If you think this is not a serious post for printmakers you may find that, if you work in Japan, men also have to reply to their gifts with something on "White Day" - which is in March... serious business, and do not forget. Now, a print all in white... that's a challenge... Ishita (Dave S) ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 00:49:35 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8246] re: Exhibit details. Thank you all for the quick response and rash of emails with the details for the exhibit prints. For those that indicated that the print(s) is for sale....but did not included a price....you can either send me an update with just print title and price info or I can mark in the pricelist to contact the artist via email. Another option is for the interested parties to contact me locally and I will then touch base with you and pass on your phone number if you so desire. The library has asked me not to post the prices alongside each print but rather prepare a price-list for interested buyers. This pricelist will be available at the central registration desk of the library. If you have not done so..(if you have moved or changed your email or website recently it is really important I get current info).......here is the place to go send me the information: http://w.com/temporary/julio.html Thanks.....Julio ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:45:55 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8247] Re: surimono print Barbara wrote: > Dave, > How do you decide which colors to print first? Is it purely arbitrary or > is there some rule about light to dark? Not easy to answer, as there is no set answer. On a print like this with twenty impressions ... (http://w.com/surimono/process/process2_1.html) ... one has a lot of ways to choose the print order. I consider a lot of things: - - I avoid overprinting colours soon, but move to a different area of the print for the next impression. - - I like to alternate wide (wet) areas, with small drier ones, to help keep the moisture balance level. - - I'll do a small easy one when I don't have too much time left in the day. - - I'll do the big heavy tough ones when I've got the energy for them. - - The tone/tint on a small colour will seem to change once it is surrounded by other colours, so I sometimes like to do them early on in the printing, where I can see the colour without my eyes being fooled by the background. (I did the bodies of the two ducks before putting on the blue water tone) > Would you normally print the key block last but are showing it > printed first for the photos of the birds to make it easier to > understand? No No NO NO! Sorry for raising my voice ;-) but in this traditional technique within which I work, the very idea you mention - printing the key block _last_, leaves me shaking in fear. The registration is to the nth part of a millimeter - there is simply no way that the key can be done last. For both carving and printing, in this tradition, the key block comes _first_ - and all else is based on it. > If you printed it last and your registration was off even a > hair it would be bad...I can see myself running screaming from the room > again with this! You got it! > also when you printed the gradation on the water did you use > the same color blue or is it a darker blue? Exactly the same pigment. Did you notice how bright and 'cheap' that blue is when seen by itself (the middle panels), but how much warmer and deeper it becomes when printed over the grey background? I'm running late today, because I took a bit of time out this morning to make eleven prints for another little project, but there should be another update this evening sometime ... Dave ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 01:03:32 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8248] Fritz Eichenberg Exhibit As mentioned on an earlier post the national traveling exhibit of Fritz Eichenberg closes it's door tomorrow for it's Chicago stay. I made my way down there today and had a wonderful time. It was all that barener Sharen Linder had mentioned on her post here....and more. Imagine a room about 35' by 80' dedicated to one of this century's greatest printmaker....full of drawings, preparatory sketches, tools, blocks and master prints.....for those here that also do engraving (Andy English, Maria Arango and others) I know the name Eichenberg has to be familiar. Me and my two boys spent about an hour in this by-access only room...escorted in by a security guard...who pointed to the sign...No photography or videotaping...a beautifully done exhibit with all print work displayed on natural wood frames and white mats that made the B&W prints glow. Don't know wether to be sad or to rejoice the fact that the whole time I was there nobody else came into the room. In one hand I had all these wonderful works all to myself to look over with absolutely no other souls in the room....and yet how sad that not more people could go out on a beautiful winter day and experience this man wonderful work. Julio ------------------------------ From: Gregory Robison Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:06:16 +0300 Subject: [Baren 8249] Handmade paper in Israel Kampala, 6 February 2000 Shalom Ittai When I had my little press & studio in Jerusalem I occasionally got handmade paper from a guy named Natan Kaaren who was at that time making paper on Kibbutz Sde-Yoav (tel. 051-21211) from a plant called mitnan (thimelaea hirsuta), a wild shrub found in the Negev Desert. The best pieces of that stuff were fantastic: very long fibered, strong, light, almost transparent. I never could get consistent amounts of mitnan paper, though. I did some very small editions of relief prints on it, an engraving of Arabic calligraphy and even letterpress work. I wonder if he's still in "business"? I never dealt with him directly, but got the paper through my friend Yehuda Miklaf (tel. 02-717-599), a bookbinder and printer in Baka/Talpiot. Gregory Robison Ittai Altshuler wrote: > Hello EveryOne > > My Name is Ittai altshuler an artist from Israel . I am a painter and > printer. I am working on site on my own , so in the coming future you can > see my works which includes of course wood cut works in which I started my > way as graphic artist. I am also intresting in making hand made paper and i > try to combine some sheets I made in work, yet is is very difficult to print > on what i produce manually. > > Now is my question. What is the best way to register multi color print when > you print manually and on papers with soft edges Japanese paper. > > Thank you and nice to be part of the group > Ittai ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 03:27:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8250] Re: Linoleum formula..S&M Hi, Philip! Unfortunately, I've already tried the stunt,where you make your own linoleum!After you realise you've survived the stench of boiling together cork dust,glue and some resin(forgot its name),you come face to face with the monster of pouring-carefully-all-that-stuff-on-a-set-of-linen-strings.And then you realise that you must sand it VERY HEAVY,to get some surface which you can call improper for your work!Then,you forget all about it and hope there weren't any witnesses!! Thanks anyway, Dimitris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #893 ****************************