Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.54 1998/10/30 06:30:53 akira1 Exp $ on trader Received: by j.xx.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 17 Feb 2000 10:58:24 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.xx.or.jp (lancer.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id KAA13371 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:58:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.xx.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C701C488B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:58:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id KAA15902; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:55:34 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:55:34 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id KAA38928 for baren-digest-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:55:34 +0900 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:55:34 +0900 Message-Id: <200002170155.KAA38928@ml.xx.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V10 #908 Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by trantula.xx.or.jp id KAA13371 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Thursday, 17 February 2000 Volume 10 : Numbe= r 908 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory Robison Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:25:13 +0300 Subject: [Baren 8445] Re: Exchange #5 - Ideas and Exhibit=20 Kampala, 16 February 2000 I am grateful to Julio for mentioning the delicate matter of timing on ge= tting X5 prints to Bea on time. Indeed, it is true, if the prints come too late, = I will have to sneak out of the country under cover of night. For those that are hav= ing trouble coming up with ideas, in addition to what Maria and others have suggested= , there's the great line from "Apartment House Blues" (from the Bridge Over Trouble= d Waters album of S&G, way, way back): "One man's ceiling is another man's floor."= I thought of this when Dave first explained the many different personalities and ch= aracters in his own apartment building... Gregory Robison ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:44:18 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8446] Re: Fw: other print rooms Printmaking Links at M= TSU=20 > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ittai Altshuler To: >baren@ml.xx.or.jp Sent: Monday, >January 31, 2000 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [Baren 8343] other print rooms >Printmaking Links at MTSU > Hello try this one there is a room dealing with all type of printing.= =20 > ittai >Attachment converted: G3 Brain:Printmaking Links at MTSU.url (????/----) >(0003B385) ittai, Since Dave is sleeping just now I will remind you and all not to send attachments to the Baren. If you have a document then Dave has a FTP site you can send it to and th= en members can pick it up there. Dave can explain the method. When you do send a document, make sure that it is an universal format tha= t can be read by Apple and Windoz ie. Text, jpg, gif. Using stuffit is always good as it save a lot of space and sends faster. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:45:12 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8447] Kampala Show=20 Geg, You are so brave to do this with no prints in hand, but I assure you we will NOT LET YOU DOWN. I am halfway done with my edition and will have it out the door by Mid March or sooner. I am sure that showing in the Museum there is going to look pretty good on all of our resume's, so we would be fools to be late on this edition. No Worries Mate, as the crocodile man says. Barbara ------------------------------ From: "Daniel Dew" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:23:07 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8448] dumb request=20 hey, barenites, help! is there anywhere on the w.com site that has a list of e-mail address's for the active baren members? Many times i would like to send messages "off line", but don't have a clue as to the address. Be neat to have a list you could ju= st click the name and viola............ anyone have experience with making print books? or can tell me where to = go find the information? not tell me where to go, just where to look. a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. dan dew us of a - -- ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:47 EST Subject: [Baren 8449] Not Dumb=20 Each time we are on the chat perhaps we can give our e-mail address- artfulcarol@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Ruth Leaf Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Baren 8450] Re: Baren Digest V10 #906=20 Jeanne, You could add to your edition # state 2 to designate another edition. .Ruth - -- http://www.ruthleaf.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:36:50 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8451] Web Site, mine charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 For my birthday, my dear son who loves to play with the computer redid my web site for me. I have changed the title to Graphic Art, thanks to Dave Bull, who is to blame for my giving up easel painting!!! No, Dave , not = the blame, the many Thank You's!!! The Baren has challenged me in a way that = my painting never has. I realize that I have a lot to learn (as do we all). Anyway, please check out my new site at; http://www.jeannenormanchase-art I also added a new page called New Changes. It will soon be kept up to da= te, but now it has some interesting items on it, you might like to see. Will be happy to hear your comments. Also thanks to all the input on Editioning. Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: Brian Lockyear Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:47:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8452] Web Site, mine=20 Hi Jeanne!=20 What beautiful work! Thank you very much for sharing it. Before we get a flood of "I can't access your site" messages (although we probably will anyhow...) everybody be sure to put a ".com" at the end of = the URL. :-) - Brian - ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:58:56 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8453] #5 and e-mail address charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 Dan, if you open the message on the Baren you will find the e-mail addres= s of the sender and you can copy it - like this Daniel Dew [ddew@tampabay.rr.com]. Yes, I am the #5 Exchange Coordinator and can't wait to see what you participants come up with and when you get= it don't forget that you need to send in their title, etc., to: http://w.com/forum/exchange/exchange_5/exchangedetails.html Thanks to all of you for the exchange on the exchange. We will get them = to Gregory on time! Here is a copy of the information from Gregory about the Uganda show. His address is at the bottom. Bea Kampala, 28 January 2000 For those just tuning in, the following is an update on the show of Baren prints at the National Art Gallery (the 'Nommo Gallery') in Kampala, Uganda, schedu= led for May. Here are the salient points, including some new information: 1. I just received the quotation from the framer, and the cost, after som= e negotiation, of matting, framing, glazing and hanging an oban-size print = is about $20. The mats are "African archival": the part next to the print is aci= d free... frames will be in solid mvule, a beautiful tropical hardwood. The most trouble-free (for me) solution to meeting this expense would be for participants (see below) to send $20 to me as a sort of 'participation fee.' Is this acceptable? 2. My original intention was to present the entire Baren Exchange 5, that is, everybody producing on the 'Junin Toiro' theme. I still intend to do tha= t, but I and the Gallery would welcome work from other Baren members (i.e., those not = in X5) provided it's inspired by the same theme and (ideally) produced to the sa= me dimensions. (Both the Gallery management and the artists I have talked to...as well as some of the viewing and art-buying public, at least in my circles ... = are intrigued by the idea of this show and look forward to it eagerly.) 3. The six or seven active, Ugandan printmakers have been invited to pres= ent work inspired by this same theme. Some may select one of the many colorful proverbs expressing a nuance of this idea in any one of the Luo or Bantu languages spoken in Uganda. (I, for example, am using the well-known Lugisu saying, 'Matofu goesse kagaba goowo.' I hope I'm not duplicating anything any of you are doing.= ..) We are also contacting the three university-level schools where printmaking is taught and inviting students and recent graduates to submit work -- although all suc= h student work will be screened and selected and not automatically exhibited. I'm billing the show as 'a celebration of individual vision in the creative life, illustrating an insight about tolerance expressed in the idioms of many cultures.' (Gosh= , I hope that's what junin toiro means!) 4. The Gallery would like as many of your prints as possible to be availa= ble for sale. The Gallery director knows that this is an exchange, and that I am= a collector of, not a dealer in, Baren prints. In other words, I don't want to sell = my own personal copies of X5. I hesitate to ask you participants to produce mor= e than 30 (i.e., possibly an extra print or two for display and sale at the Nommo Gallery), because if you are like me, printing 30 of anything already resembles industry more than art. Producing 40 would be, for me, 'heavy industry,' and anything more than that is 'mass production,' and would force me to install a time-clock in = my studio, harrass myself to greater heights of productivity like a rank shop forema= n, etc. This is not why I got into art. But no doubt many of you are more efficient than I and would perhaps welcome the opportunity to make some of your work available for sale. 5. Participants in the show who are not involved in X5 would, of course, need only generate as many copies as they would like to send for the exhibition. I= t may even be possible to arrange for a private exchange with some of the Ugandan artists for these non-X5 prints, but this can be discussed later. 6. The earlier I receive the prints the better, of course. If you are no= t in X5, or if you are willing to print one or more 'hors-serie' prints and send them= to me, your reward will be great in heaven. It would be awkward to have to force Enoch-the-framer, after having beaten him down on various line-items in h= is cost proposal, to frame thirty or forty prints in the eight hours before the s= how opens... But, I'll do what has to be done. The show must go on. We want to open = on 1 May; X5 is due on 1 April. But reading the recent experience of "deadline-slip" = on X4 makes me worried... 7. I would like to do a poster for this show. If you submit your work to= me early enough and would like to be considered for the poster, let me know. 8. Management of the Nommo Gallery has said that they want all the procee= ds from print sales connected with this show to go to equipping a small printmaki= ng studio at the Gallery, as a venue for future demonstrations, workshops and where Ugandan artists can work. I am personally donating supplies and furniture (work benches, ink, brayers, ink knives, an apron, etc.) to this project. The Nommo Gallery normally takes a reasonable 25% commission on sales (compared to 40% at t= he commercial galleries in town) -- but of course I will beat this down, too. It is this commission which would be used to finance the printmaking studio. = You are free to allow a higher percentage to go to the Gallery, if you like. By the w= ay, I had two prints in the 'Millennium Show' at Nommo this month and one sold, to = a Ugandan buyer, for 150,000 shillings -- about $100. So there's a market here. In the interests of keeping Baren litter-free and austere as a zen garden= , please only respond in the Forum if you have general comments or questions concerning this exhibition. Otherwise, please contact me directly. I would be delighted= to hear from any and all of you who may be working on the junin toiro theme, whet= her you're in X5 or not. Gregory Robison mailing address: American Embassy Kampala U. S. Department of State Washington, D.C. 20521-2190 ------------------------------ From: Pedrobot@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:01:17 EST Subject: [Baren 8454] Exchange #5 and whatnot=20 I finally came up with an idea for exchange number 5... my problem is I c= an't=20 really get going on it because somebody stole my truck. I got the truck back, unharmed, but among the things missing (leather jac= ket,=20 cd player, etc.) was my almost brand new box of inks and my favorite bray= er. =20 Ack. Woodblock bandits, I suppose. Anyway, I scraped together enough money to order new supplies, which are = en=20 route right now. So I will beat that deadline, have no fear. - --Pete (Insert semi-witty tagline here) ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8455] Re: Web Site, mine charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 Thanks Brian!!! http://www.jeannenormanchase-art.com Go for it Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Jandi Goshert" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:12:10 PST Subject: [Baren 8456] Exchange Editioning=20 I have a question about the exchange. Must we do an edition of only 30, = or=20 can we make a larger edition to keep some for our own purposes? I've read the exchange info page, but it's not really clear there. Oh - and one other question....do i owe anybody money? With all these po= sts=20 about different exhibitions, etc and money for this and that, i'm not sur= e=20 what i'm involved in and what i'm not and who i owe and who i don't - if=20 anybody! i did the dragon, but no other exchanges so far. i'm doing #5 and the tr= ee=20 exchange. i've just kind of lost track of the situation here... somebody send me a bill! :) thanks, jandi heh heh heh... movie - Box of Moonlight - check it out. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:07:17 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8457] Re: Exchange Editioning charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 Jandi When someone sends a post about an exchange that I am doing, I always pri= nt it out, to be sure that I , also, do not owe anyone. Of course I still co= uld be wrong. There is so much happening on the Baren that sometimes I lose track of it all. Oh yes, you owe me money! Just write out a check , any amount will do. Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:22:45 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8458] money, money, money charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 - -----Original Message----- From: Bea Gold [mailto:bnj50@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:30 AM To: Bea Gold For people wondering if they owe anyone money - here's what I know: Money to cover expenses are: *For Exchange#5 Return mail cost when prints are sent to: Bea Gold 2206 Micheltorena Street Los Angeles, CA 90039 *For the Skokie exhibit $ 15 to: Julio Cesar Rodriguez 3801 Dobson Skokie, Illinois 60076 *For the Kampala exhibit $20 to: Gregory Robison mailing address: American Embassy Kampala U. S. Department of State Washington, D.C. 20521-2190 These are the people I have on my list of Participants in Exchange #5. 1.Margaret M. Szvetecz 2.Lynita Shimizu 3.Mary Krieger 4.Liz Horton 5.Jandi Goshert 6.Josephine Severn 7.Christina Blank 8.Juan Guerrero 9.Daniel L. Dew 10.Jeanne Norman Chase 11.Julio Rodriguez 12.Hor=E1cio Soares Neto 13.Jan Telfer 14.Bobbie Mandel 15.E. B. Atwood 16.John Amoss 17.Barbara Mason 18.Philip Smith 19.Pete White 20.Andy English 21.Arye Saar 22.Gayle Wohlken 23.Bea Gold 24.David Mohallatee 25.Maria Arango 26.Wanda Robertson 27.Cyndy Wilson 28.Brad Schwartz 29.John Ryrie 30.Gregory Robison Bea Gold Los Angeles, CA USA www/beagold.com ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:40:26 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8459] Re: Exchange Editioning & Lost in Space charset=3D"= iso-8859-1"=20 Jandi, Some people make just the 30 for the exchange (don't forget a few extra f= or those very unlikely errors ;-), other participants make as many as 50 or 100. So, it don't make no never mind. All Baren-suji Newsletter contributors: I am in the process of changing web hosts, which includes a transfer of m= y maria@mariarango.com e-mail address. I can't begin to tell you how much f= un I am having at the moment with this. But anyway! If you happen to have trouble sending me pics and contributions for the Newsletter, please try my alternate address at: mariten@lvcm.com Should = be no problems with that one. Also if anyone tries to access my website and can't get there, wait a cou= ple of days and everything should be back to normal, whatever normal is. Oh, I am teaching a relief printmaking workshop of sorts in March. Anyone have any tips? Health to all, Maria ****************************** Maria Arango, Webless Las Vegas Nevada USA http://www.mariarango.com maria@mariarango.com mariten@lvcm.com ****************************** ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:50:37 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8460] Editioning and #5 and 'rules' and other stuff=20 "I think the proper way is to call one print "name, first state" and the other print "name, second state." Then you can have two editions, basically. I have seen this method in prints where the first state was very similar to the second state, and in others where the first and second states were so different that I couldn't quite understand why they just didn't give it another name. Maria" I have noted that the term 'states' is frequently used when a plate is under development. The prints pulled as proofs of the different developmental state of the print are labelled to show this development as state one, two etc until you get to the editioned state. It is an interesting question. The same plate or set of plates can be printed on different coloured paper for example or in different colours. My solution, for what it is worth, is to use 'states' during the proofing process and then once the plate is final I print the 'final state' proof as the edition. If I re-edition with another version I call it 'name II' or 'name III'. Then of course you have variable editions which is another story.. As for #5. Well folks I started editioning yesterday when the ink arrived in the mail. I decided early that I did not want to use colour in the print. Instead I have use b&w tone/texture combinations as 'colour'. There are ten people in there, more literal than I would have liked but there is, of course, a twist.=20 I too made the connection with audience theories for this. By that I mean those schools of literary theory who subscribe to the opinion that the reader adds their own meaning to a text by way of their skill, knowledge and cultural background which is different for every person and therefore gives a different meaning for each reader. So mine is a printmakers 'sampler' with reference to all those traditional embroidery proverb samplers (and quilts). This is a little sub theme of mine, to reference women's craft within an art context. Thanks for the clarification of terms in the new swap and exchange rules. This stems from my legal training, to question definitions. Thanks to those who remembered that hand application of colour is 'legal' in terms of precedent set by the 'masters' (and mistresses). I was not advocating single state mixed media prints at all. I was not sure what the demand for exchanges was when I suggested 2 per person per year. I vote Maria makes an Elvis print for the swap - this I wanna see. And I wouldnt touch a rainbow roll with a barge pole (they are about 20') getting it right is too anal for me and way too hard to edition. Graham said "I ain't gonna touch this......." Coward! Soemone asked what are 'runners'. You place two strips of material down the side of the press bed. THe material is the same thickness as the plate, so if you are printing lino the strips, or runners, are lino of the same thickness. Their purpose is to make three points of contact with the rollers instead of just the one made by the plate. The point being that the pressure is thus more evenly distributed across the rollers to prevent the rollers from warping. If the runners are as long as the press bed an added advantage is that the rollers sit on the runners at all times and do not have to climb on and off the printing plate. Off to do more editioning Josephine ------------------------------ From: =3D?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=3D20grammatikopulos?=3D Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:41:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8461] Re: dumb request=20 Hi, Dan! I don't know about a viola, but you can always play some guitar at: aenaonartst@yahoo.com regrds, Dimitris Be neat to have a list you could > just > click the name and viola............ >=20 >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dimitris Grammatikopulos Th. Sofuli 4 , Ampelokipi Ioannina , Greece 454= 45 aenaonartst@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Shireen Holman Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:45:34 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8462] Re: dumb request=20 At 10:23 AM 2/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >anyone have experience with making print books? or can tell me where to= go >find the information? >not tell me where to go, just where to look. Dan, I'm not sure what you mean by print books, but there is a book arts site = at=20 http://www.philobiblon.com which has lots of information and links. You=20 might want to take a look. Shireen U.S.A. *********************************************** Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist email: shireenh@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~shireenh/ *********************************************** ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:57:57 EST Subject: [Baren 8463] Re: Editioning and #5 and 'rules' and other stuff=20 In a message dated 02/16/2000 12:57:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 severn@acay.com.au writes: >=20 > Soemone asked what are 'runners'. You place two strips of material do= wn > the side of the press bed. THe material is the same thickness as the > plate, so if you are printing lino the strips, or runners, are lino of > the same thickness. Their purpose is to make three points of contact > with the rollers instead of just the one made by the plate. The point > being that the pressure is thus more evenly distributed across the > rollers to prevent the rollers from warping. If the runners are as lon= g > as the press bed an added advantage is that the rollers sit on the > runners at all times and do not have to climb on and off the printing > plate. > =20 > =20 josephine thanks for this explanation georga ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:30:21 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8464] re: great web site=20 Hi Jeanne..........wonderful web site, enjoyed seeing all the new work........miss not seeing your fantastic paintings.....you have such a great artistic talent........your drawings = say it all ! http://www.jeannenormanchase-art.com Julio ------------------------------ From: inklinepress@inetnebr.com (Jaime) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:36:42 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8465] Re: dumb request=20 Dan, If you are asking about book arts their several really good books ou= t their with construction/binding methods. One author in particular stands out to me and that would Keith A. Smith. Any of his books have a wealth = of information. Another outstanding Book Artist is Bonnie O'Connel. She teaches Book Art= s at the University of Nebraska at Omaha and is cheif publisher of Abbatoir press and runs the Nebraska book Arts center. The telephone number there is (402) 554-2773 Hope it helps. jaime ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:58:51 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8466] New web site=20 Jeanne, Congratulations on your new site, it is wonderful. Your drawings are so beautiful. good job! Welcome to the new members who have come out of the lurking stage and into the light! Bea, Thanks for the reminder that we owe money to Greg and Julio, I probably would have forgotten. It is a lot to remember, printing it out is a good idea. The problem is I never can find the print outs! Barbara ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:36:07 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8467] Message for Horacio re dragons=20 Hi Horacio I have had a few dragons get bashed around in my post box so far and have spoken to the ladies in the post office about taking care on two occasions. Yesterday I picked up my mail and they had very thoughtfully placed the larger envelopes on one side instead of crushing them onto the box. In the process one of the nice ladies had accidentally torn off about a quarter of the envelope and contents of your post Horacio. She was very upset about it and I am in possession of a dragon in two parts. I showed her the print and she was doubly upset when she saw how beautiful it was. I think they may now have finally realised why I have been repeatedly going in and asking them to take more care. Quite a few have arrived somewhat crumpled and curiously many seem to have grown quite large during the journey. So my question is, can you send me another? I will send you another print to compensate. Hoping to find time to scan and upload in next couple of days. Hurrying to the post office Josephine ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Wilson Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:38:47 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8468] Re: Exchange #5 and whatnot=20 >somebody stole my truck. >=20 > I got the truck back, unharmed, but among the things missing=20 > (leather jacket,=20 > cd player, etc.) was my almost brand new box of inks and my favorite=20 > brayer. =20 > Ack. Woodblock bandits, I suppose. Oh Pete!! Sympathy for you on this. What do you suppose that the thieves would want with a brayer and cans of ink? Cyndy ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:54:09 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8469] Laying down the gauntlet=20 James said. "Save your chine-colle-seri-intaglio-viscosity-litho-mezzo-collographs for something else." Now there's a challenge if ever I heard one *grin* any takers? ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #908 ****************************