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Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Baren Digest Tuesday, 7 March 2000 Volume 10 : Number 930 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?andy=20english?= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 05:14:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8754] Re: To be aseries, or... I love working in series and I'm sure its only partly due to obsessive behaviour. I just keep returning to familiar themes and adding another one. Sometimes it takes a year before a new print is added. Only once did I set out to make a series of prints at the same time. Andy http://freespace.virgin.net/a.english/print.htm - --- "Daniel L. Dew" wrote: > Please excuse a newbie type question, but... It > seems as though a lot of > people work in a "series" format. I mean, they seem > to create 10 to 12 > works in the same style or genre. > Is it my imagination or just a coincidence? > I don't knowingly work this way and am wondering if > it is a mistake. > > dan dew > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: amoss@mindspring.com (John Amoss) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:00:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baren 8755] electric waterstone Hello y'all- Since Dave has breached the non-orthodox use of a power brush sander, I was wondering if anyone has used the 9820-2 Makita electric waterstone? At the risk of sounding like a commercial, it only took me 2 hours to sharpen 70 tools (in terrible shape) for a class I'm teaching. The machine has a 120,1000 and 6000-grit wheel which really does the trick. I'm also thinking abount mounting dragon-skin (artificial sharkskin from McClain's) to a wheel and giving my brushes a once over. Still looking for a diaper changing machine.... - -John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AMOSS ILLUSTRATION, INC. (706)549-4662 FAX(706)549-3962 amoss@mindspring.com www.mindspring.com/~amoss 365 Ponderosa Dr.,Athens, GA 30605 USA ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8756] Re: electric waterstone ...And I bet with all those exchange dragons you get skins to last a lifetime...8-) Dimitris > I'm also thinking abount mounting dragon-skin ........ to a wheel and giving my brushes a once over. ===== Dimitris Grammatikopulos Th. Sofuli 4 , Ampelokipi Ioannina , Greece 454 45 aenaonartst@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:19:22 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8757] Re: electric waterstone >At the risk of sounding like a commercial, it only took me 2 hours to >sharpen 70 tools (in terrible shape) for a class I'm teaching. The machine >has a 120,1000 and 6000-grit wheel which really does the trick. Can't help you here..... >I'm also thinking abount mounting dragon-skin (artificial sharkskin from >McClain's) to a wheel and giving my brushes a once over. I have recently done just that. I went to the hardware store and purchased cheese graters Cut them up (the smallest grate) and screwed them to a 9" - 3/4 inch plywood disc. I also took some 50 grit garnet paper .... mounted it (contact cement) on the other side of the 9" plywood disc. This disc is attached to my table saw and shape the brushes as required. Be very careful.... If the brush is not held very very securely it can be kicked back at you and becomes a missel. One did just this and ended up punching a big dent in a piece of wood 10 ft away. This works very well and gets around the burning of brushes. It seems to feather the brush hair nicely. We will use it at Boot Camp. >Still looking for a diaper changing machine.... Ummmmm..... Marnie might consider for a price. Graham PS... What is the decision about bamboo husks, by the way. ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:28:03 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8758] Re: electric waterstone charset="iso-8859-1" John,....I got my Trindlines catalog out and they have your electric stone machine by Makita for $224.95,....but you need to buy the 2 other grit wheels which brings the price up to well over $330.00 bucks,...plus s/h,.....I'm sure John's unit is the best,...Makita is a fine product,...but the folks at Grizzley Imports have one for about $120.00, I think,.......right now if you're using a flat stone a strop that hooks into an electric drill really helps to get that fine edge....maybe if I get a decent job in I can consider the Makita,...unit then John, stay sharp!!!!! Philip Hammond,OR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Amoss" To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: [Baren 8755] electric waterstone > Hello y'all- > Since Dave has breached the non-orthodox use of a power brush sander, I was > wondering if anyone has used the 9820-2 Makita electric waterstone? > > At the risk of sounding like a commercial, it only took me 2 hours to > sharpen 70 tools (in terrible shape) for a class I'm teaching. The machine > has a 120,1000 and 6000-grit wheel which really does the trick. > > I'm also thinking abount mounting dragon-skin (artificial sharkskin from > McClain's) to a wheel and giving my brushes a once over. > > Still looking for a diaper changing machine.... > > > -John > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > AMOSS ILLUSTRATION, INC. > (706)549-4662 FAX(706)549-3962 > amoss@mindspring.com > www.mindspring.com/~amoss > 365 Ponderosa Dr.,Athens, GA 30605 USA > > > ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:04:09 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8759] Type and series Maria try the type exchange and other links at http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/bookarts.htm Sorry to be so queit guys, I do see light at the end of that tunnel.. About series To me the idea of a series has many advantages. Not least being that it is easy to make one image to a theme but it becomes exponentially more difficult to continue to make fresh and relevant images as you repeat and repeat. It is a challange to your self as an artist to continue the series after the first impetus has been exhauted and it is at that point that you will grow as an artist. The artistic pain barrier as it were. Making a series allows you to explore individually the nuances of the subject. Its back to content again. Another advantage is that a series always displays better especially where there is a cohesion in size and format of artwork. I am about to disappear for a few days again later this week. So far I havent caught anyone chatting yet but then I was away wasnt I? How about I wait till I get more settled. Hoping to be more visable soon Josphine ------------------------------ From: "John Ryrie" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:53:45 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8760] missel charset="iso-8859-1" If the brush is not held very very securely it > can be kicked back at you and becomes a missel. One did just this > and ended up punching a big dent in a piece of wood 10 ft away. Graham you may have discovered a new technique for making relief print prints. John ------------------------------ From: "John Ryrie" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:06:29 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8761] Type charset="iso-8859-1" Maria the other place I've found a lot of my type is at scrap metal yards. It has usually been dumped into a bin and got mixed together, so it has to be sorted out. But it is usually the cheapest place to get it. John http://www.geocities.com/laddertree ------------------------------ From: "Daniel L. Dew" Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:56:37 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8762] Series again Thanks for all the input guys and gals! I've been contemplating a series of faces, hopefully each displaying an emotion. Now the hard part for me is to find the verses to match also. I've always wanted to illustrate two bible books: one being Revelations with all its imagry and the other Proverbs, with all its comparisons. The wise to the fool, the happy to the sad, etc... All images will be 9x12 or there 'bouts. All in black or equally dark colors and none hopefully as depressing as the Caxton Bible stuff. Will let you know more as I go along. Also want to do a series of my daughters. My ying and yang. One studies Latin and one doesn't even speak. Oh well...... Dan Dew USA ------------------------------ From: Jean Jenvey Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:51:33 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8763] RE: Comments on Litho/etching comb press Hello, Let me introduce myself. I am a graduate student at the University of North Texas. My undergraduate degree is a BFA in Printmaking. I put my name on your discussion group list apprx. 2 weeks ago and have enjoyed the information and other discussed material. The reason that I am writing this e-mail at this time is to ask your opinion on a new press that I am getting ready to purchase. I am looking at a litho/etching combination table top press and have gotten information from three companies. One is the Conrad combination press, another is the Printmakers Machine Company Press and the last is the Takach Press. The Printmakers Machine Company Press was recommended to me by Graphic Chemicals and the company representatives that I have talked to seem very helpful. However all of the new presses that have recently been purchased by the university where I attend classes have been presses from Takach. I have used the Takach floor model press for large wood cuts (35" by 56") and the press has performed very well. Takach also offers the largest table top comb. press of the three (30" by 60"), but of course they are the most expensive in cost. I realize that once the press will be a long term acquisition and therefore cost is not the only criteria that should be considered. I still seem to be leaning towards the Takach, possibly because I am more familiar with their presses. Do you have any comment on the three presses, maybe any thing you may have heard about them or perhaps you have used them and might be able to relate your experiences? Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Jean Jenvey ------------------------------ From: "John Ryrie" Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:13:40 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8764] new Member charset="iso-8859-1" Welcome Jean I've used Takach Litho presses and they are very good. John Melbourne Australia ------------------------------ From: geralds@mailroom.com Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 02:29:10 GMT Subject: [Baren 8765] Re: working in series Dan, It's only a mistake to work in a way that doesn't suit you or the ideas you are exploring. Setting yourself a project/goal of doing a certain number of prints on a particular topic can force yourself to extend your thinking conceptually as well as technically and gives you time to get into things deeply. And if a subject appeals to you, you keep coming back to it and end up with a series. Gerald - --------------------------------------------------------------- This Message was Powered by Xcel Communications Sign up for your FREE EMAIL account today at http://www.mailroom.com Give your FAX machine an email address http://www.faxroom.com ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:10:41 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8766] SGC Hello to all... I am home and really tired..you wouldn't believe my trip to Miami! the SGC was great and met baren members, bought a lot of ink and had a good time. Long plane ride, 7 hours. 344 emails from baren in one week....can you believe that? More about the trip tomorrow after I read all 344! Barbara ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:37:40 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8767] Re: Series again Sounds like a great idea Dan - both of them. And no, they couldn't possibly be as depressing as the Caxton Bible engravings. ;-) A series of your daughters would be wonderful also. It might even give you more insights into their personalities than you have now. If that's possible. Sometimes we are given gifts disguised as other things. Wanda in *sunny* beautiful (but cooool) Oregon ------------------------------ From: inklinepress@inetnebr.com (Jaime) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:25:13 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8768] Re: Comments on Litho/etching comb press Jean- I have a takach table top etching press I chose it because of it's double gears. which allows for a lot more pressure if you are trying to get deep impressions from an etching press. If you aren't concerned with that any of the others should be fine. Although I had heard that Praga presses gave some friends a lot of trouble. Jaime ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:32:08 EST Subject: [Baren 8769] Re: To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp hi everyone i will be gone for a few days the state of california is flying me up to santa cruz for an art conference (in conjunction with the california youth authority) ill look forward to reading all your emails when i get back hopefully ill be briming with ideas and inspiration georga ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:07:39 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8770] Re: Comments on Litho/etching comb press charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Jean,.....I have a Conrad press and I bought it about 18 years ago,...it's straight forward old technology,....works fine.......... but there is a company called Griffin in Oakland California that makes a really beautiful press,...you might want to get a brochure from them before you make that large investment,.......best of luck. Philip, Hammond, OR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Jenvey" To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: [Baren 8763] RE: Comments on Litho/etching comb press > Hello, > > Let me introduce myself. I am a graduate student at the University of > North Texas. My undergraduate degree is a BFA in Printmaking. > > I put my name on your discussion group list apprx. 2 weeks ago and have > enjoyed the information and other discussed material. > > The reason that I am writing this e-mail at this time is to ask your > opinion on a new press that I am getting ready to purchase. > > I am looking at a litho/etching combination table top press and have > gotten information from three companies. One is the Conrad combination > press, another is the Printmakers Machine Company Press and the last is > the Takach Press. > > The Printmakers Machine Company Press was recommended to me by Graphic > Chemicals and the company representatives that I have talked to seem > very helpful. > > However all of the new presses that have recently been purchased by the > university where I attend classes have been presses from Takach. I have > used the Takach floor model press for large wood cuts (35" by 56") and > the press has performed very well. Takach also offers the largest table > top comb. press of the three (30" by 60"), but of course they are the > most expensive in cost. I realize that once the press will be a long term > acquisition and therefore cost is not the only criteria that should be > considered. I still seem to be leaning towards the Takach, possibly > because I am more familiar with their presses. > > Do you have any comment on the three presses, maybe any thing you may > have heard about them or perhaps you have used them and might be able to > relate your experiences? > > Thank you for your assistance in this matter. > > Jean Jenvey > ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:54:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8771] Re: Comments on Litho/etching comb press Welcome, Jean! take a look at www.polymetaal.nl www.lawrence.co.uk www.praga.com before you decide, Dimitris ===== Dimitris Grammatikopulos Th. Sofuli 4 , Ampelokipi Ioannina , Greece 454 45 aenaonartst@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #930 ****************************