Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.54 1998/10/30 06:30:53 akira1 Exp $ on dora Received: by j.xx.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 30 Mar 2000 18:04:56 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.xx.or.jp (lancer.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id SAA08496 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:04:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.xx.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE904886 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:04:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id SAA37288; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:01:38 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:01:38 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id SAA38284 for baren-digest-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:01:38 +0900 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:01:38 +0900 Message-Id: <200003300901.SAA38284@ml.xx.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V10 #954 Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by trantula.xx.or.jp id SAA08496 X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Thursday, 30 March 2000 Volume 10 : Number= 954 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:36:41 EST Subject: [Baren 9040] Purdue, Jack's print=20 thanks Josephine, I didn't even know the website was up, Purdue never tol= d me=20 (they did tell me there was going to be a website, they just didn't say w= here=20 or when it would be online :) ), congratulations to Don, who's also in th= e=20 show and won an award, hope his print gets posted up there so we can see = it! Jack, your print is awesome, can't believe it's your first "artwork" - br= avo! I'm now working on my second big print, fun but quite a challenge, best wishes all, Sarah ------------------------------ From: John and Jan Telfer Date: Thu, 30 Mar 00 00:18:10 -0000 Subject: [Baren 9041] Re: Jack's Dragon "Baren Digest" =20 Jack, Wow! What a beauty. You havve done a wonderful job....Keep going...I am=20 sure we would all love one... Ruth and Bea, Wonderful surprise to find your dragons in my set of Exchange prints from= =20 Margaret Prentice of the Uni of Oregon. I have had an email from=20 her....187 artists participated! I am certainly looking forward to the=20 next Exchange set. Jan The Western edge of Western Australia ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:38:45 EST Subject: [Baren 9042] Re: website=20 Unclear who said they did architectural watercolors. I have done that fo= r 10=20 years-peoples' homes and historic buildings. Looking to see how that aff= ects=20 your prints. Carol Lyons Irvington NY USA ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:50:06 -0500 Subject: [Baren 9043] Jack's Dragon charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 Jack, say it is'nt so!!!!! If this is your first woodblock print,. I quit!!!!! It is sooooo neat, words cannot praise it enough. Good grief, I wonder wh= at you next print will look like????? Jeanne, N. Green with envy David, is'nt there a special Baren that we could put this guy in? ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:32:40 +1000 Subject: [Baren 9044] Calling for photos=20 Jack said " You could print your keyblock on your stomach!" and julio said "Thanks guys....I think it's a little late for me to change ....=20 besides ... I don't look good in skirts!" How do they know these things unless they have tried? Photos please! ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:50:56 +0900 Subject: [Baren 9045] Re: Jack's Dragon=20 Jeanne wrote: > David, isn't there a special Baren that we could put this guy in? Yep. And he's _in_ it ... and so are you, and so are we all ... Excuse me for taking Jack's achievement and using it to 'blow our own horn', but I think this is another pretty good example of what [Baren] is all about. Of course the achievement here is 100% Jack's own, but if [Baren] didn't exist, would this print have been born? =20 I rather suspect that Jack has been 'somewhat' motivated in his work by what he has seen, heard, and read here on [Baren]. I can only hope that more of the people 'lurking' out there will follow his example and 'jump in'! Dave ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:55:48 -1000 Subject: [Baren 9046] Re: Calling for photos=20 Studio Dalwood wrote: > Jack said " > You could print your keyblock on your stomach!" > > and julio said > > "Thanks guys....I think it's a little late for me to change .... > besides ... I don't look good in skirts!" > > How do they know these things unless they have tried? Um.. ahh.. just a good imagination. Yeah, that's it. Jack ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:07:58 -1000 Subject: [Baren 9047] Re: Jack's Dragon=20 David Bull wrote: > Jeanne wrote: > > David, isn't there a special Baren that we could put this guy in? > > Yep. And he's _in_ it ... and so are you, and so are we all ... > > Excuse me for taking Jack's achievement and using it to 'blow our own > horn', but I think this is another pretty good example of what [Baren] > is all about. Of course the achievement here is 100% Jack's own, but i= f > [Baren] didn't exist, would this print have been born? > > I rather suspect that Jack has been 'somewhat' motivated in his work by > what he has seen, heard, and read here on [Baren]. I can only hope that > more of the people 'lurking' out there will follow his example and 'jum= p > in'! Yeap! You are right Dave! I have been reading everyone's experiences, hin= ts and ideas, and pouring over the encyclopedia, one part lessons, and uploaded books for quite a while. Without this forum, it would have been quite impossible for me to have produced any woodblock print in the relative isolation I work in. Baren is an ongoing online workshop, and th= e fact that I could come into it with no experience, and still produce a print is a pretty good recommendation. Metaphorical hats off to everyone = in Baren! Jack Aiea, Hawaii ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:11:31 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9048] Sad tale of Hanga woe charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 I need to tell my tale of HANGA woe to this supportive and instructive group! For the Exchange #5 '(junin toiro') - I had decided on: my design; using cherry for the block; hanga for the printing method; a bokashi; embossing= a section; using hosho; sizing the hosho with double strength sizing on one side; getting my tools really sharp; getting the paper lovely soft ala Da= vid and taking pictures of the process. I did it all. You may remember, I ha= d asked about using cherry for the key block and shina for the color blocks and Jack Reisland told me that the cherry would expand differently than t= he shina, so I used cherry for all the blocks. The cherry is so hard that cutting took me about four times longer than on shina but I was excited because where I had detail in the design, the cherry was great to cut. N= ext came some testing for registration and finding where the block was too high - done - gouge more - dig deeper, etc. Now time to print. Set up m= y table and started on the key block - every few prints there were blotches= on the paper - more cutting until it was really low and fine - more printing and again, every few prints there were new blotches. I could cry. Same thing for all the colors. I looked at the finished prints and each had s= ome other color blotch. I couldn't send them! I was too embarrassed. I thin= k I know why that happened. The cherry swells with moisture and the recessed space kept getting higher with each new printing, so that it picked up th= e pigment when it was high enough. I couldn't tell before it happened that = now was the time it would print. With deadline upon us - I decided to do wha= t I said I would never do again. I printed in oil - used only two colors and= no bokashi and no embossing but at least my Baren friends do not need to be embarrassed! Then I went back to read some of the Baren messages and YES David - print= ing is the thing!! And NO Wanda I am not ready to teach Hanga - wish I was ab= le to go to BOOT CAMP! And Jack Reisland how could you be doing your fist wo= od block? I am so confused! Would I have been able to prevent this disaster= if I had varnished the wood before and after I cut it? Whatcha think? Bea ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:23:42 -0600 Subject: [Baren 9049] IMPORTANT - Baren Skokie Libray Exhibit UPDATE=20 Well.........it's getting down now to counting the days and not the weeks= ...soon I will be counting hours. I know it's getting close because Maria is talk= ing about what clothes the kids and I should wear to the opening (and also because = my stomach is starting to turn!). Does this happen to you guys before an op= ening ? My Sunday looks pretty hectic.........baseball practice with Julio (9's) = from 9:00am to 10:30am, Baseball evaluations for Jorge's group (13's) from 11:00am to 1:30pm, a Bandits baseball game (tha= t's another team I coach for older boys) at 12:30pm.....and meeting Barry and= fellow barener Sharen Linder over at the library at 1:00pm to hang 100 prints. We only g= ot five hours to do our magic so I am faxing Barry wall layouts of where all the prints go so= he can plan accordingly....( I hope he does not chicken out when he sees the amo= unt of work involved!). I got everything layout to the inch.....I just hope the= y let me move this huge palm tree that's hugging a wall!. Sharen is working on= a color step-by-step how-a-hanga-print-is-madethat's going to be a show stopper and also helpi= ng with the glass display case setup for the tools and blocks. The PC dedicated to Baren will be opposite of the glass display case with the tools and blocks....both guiding the audience to a floating wall with all the self-portraits from exchange #4. Also during = opening night people will be able to sneak a peak at our Dave hard at work....courtesy of tv/= video of course! I know you guys are very good at making multiples...so ....can you let me= know how I can be at all these places at the same time ???? Two hundred announcement cards went out Monday and also a stack of show i= nfo to approx. 25 colleges and art groups. I got another stack of cards going ou= t tonight to about 50 local (Chicago) galleries. The more I look, the more places I find to send stuff.......hey Maria...here there is even a galler= y called "Havana" that caters only to Cuban artists.....and another that do= es Latin American stuff only....this town is truly a mecca for art. I wish you all could be here......no, not only to help, but to share in= the good time ahead. In a way you all are......................... as your support and guidance has been terrific from day one and I will be thinking a lot about all of you in the days ahead and at the opening. Tha= nks! Julio ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:37:39 EST Subject: [Baren 9050] Re: IMPORTANT - Baren Skokie Libray Exhibit UPDATE=20 Julio I am thinking of you----all of the work you did , are doing and will do!!= !!! I will be "with" you on April 3 and sharing the excitement from afar. Carol, Savannah ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:46:23 +0900 Subject: [Baren 9051] Re: Sad tale of Hanga woe=20 Bea wrote: > every few prints there were new blotches.=20 > The cherry swells with moisture and the recessed > space kept getting higher with each new printing, so that it picked up = the > pigment when it was high enough.=20 Although I can't see the particular wood you are using, cherry is so dense that I doubt very much that it is 'moving' that much ... Here are a few possible causes for such blotches: - - simply the blocks aren't carved deeply enough. If this was the case, the blotches will be fairly regular - in the same place each time. =20 - - the paper could be too wet, and is sagging down into the spaces too much. =20 - - the baren is not being held exactly level, and is 'banging' a bit int= o some of the spaces.=20 - - the scooped-out parts of the block are not carved 'smoothly' and the pigment is thus gradually building up and up and up on the rough spots.=20 This only makes a difference when many prints are being made ... Maybe the technique outlined in 'One-Point' lesson #26 might help here ... using little rolls of paper to help support the printing sheet over some of the larger open areas. http://w.com/encyclopedia/entries/onepoint/018_26/018_26.html And yes ... 'printing is the thing ...' Dave ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:11:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 9052] Re: Award suggestions=20 I agree with Michelle and others, I don't think the competition brought buy awards will strengthen the support and encouragement I gratefully receive form being in a group like Baren. What drew me to Baren, was the "family"-like support and advice, like a printers family. I think that's partially why some people resisted the firsts announcements about the Baren council, it seemed like some family members were more special than others. =20 The family quality was allowed an amateur printer like me to jump in a join. If I had felt like you would be judging me and that I had to compete, I would never have joined. I realize that I'm not at the caliber of Gram, Dave, James and many others, but being apart of Baren has inspired me to "get out there", I have done more printing in the last 3 months than I have in the last 4 years. I'm inspired and I've learned so much from the discussions. I wouldn't want to drive away any other hesitant beginners. Maybe it is just my perceptions, and I agree the council is a good thing, we've grown sooo much just in the short time since I've joined. the family feeling is still here, I'd like to keep that. Christina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:19:45 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9053] Re: Sad tale of Hanga woe=20 >I had varnished the wood before and after I cut it? Whatcha think? Bea Dave has covered all the perimeters. It could be one, some or all of=20 the above. I don't believe that varnish would have saved the day. I would like to suggest that you send me the block you were having=20 trouble with and maybe I can solve your problem.. Send me a sample=20 of the paper with the printing problem. We just can't have you printing with that greasy smelly kids stuff. (Why do I think I am in deep doodo) Let me know Graham ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:45:10 -1000 Subject: [Baren 9054] Re: Sad tale of Hanga woe=20 Bea Gold wrote: > ...Then I went back to read some of the Baren messages and YES David - > printing > is the thing!! And NO Wanda I am not ready to teach Hanga - wish I was = able > to go to BOOT CAMP! And Jack Reisland how could you be doing your fist = wood > block? I am so confused! If it makes you feel any better, I had the same problems. Out of 30 or so sheets, I only got the one that I sent to Julio to come out without blotc= hes. I found that I was not holding the baren perfectly flat, especially on bloc= ks with widely separated patches of color. I have a feeling that the one bar= en I have may not be the best for all different blocks. When in doubt, get mor= e tools! Jack Aiea, Hawaii ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:46:40 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9055] TROUBLE IN PARADISE=20 Bea, I am so sympathetic to the trouble you have had. I have had more than my share, I am sure! I too gave up and printed with oil. I tried to do the key block as an intaglio and it didn't work. I cut it three times with three different widths of lines and each time the lines would not print properly. If they got too wide they didn't hold ink. In the end I changed the key block to a relief block with white lines. It was right up there with nightmare. I printed about 30 proofs (Just like Jack) and finally got it to look sort of decent. I am a really good printmaker, I have been printing for 15 years with oil and I am pretty frustrated with this water based stuff. I had hoped that by now I would have learned more than I have, even boot camp has not helped all my problems. I keep falling back on what I know, oil, and even that was not perfect for this print. It is so unassuming looking, 13 colors, four blocks, one crazed woman tearing out her hair. I swear that the next one I will have done a month early. That is part of the problem, even though I had all the blocks cut before I left for the conference in Miami, I have spent everyday since I got back fighting it. How can you plan to have so much trouble with such a small print? Some one told me that there was a printmaker that did intaglio wood block, maybe Andy English? I looked at the samples and was so encouraged, just like a lamb to the slaughter. I am thinking maybe it was the wood, I used poplar. The one thing I liked about this wood was carving solid wood as opposed to the shina, which is all I had used previously. It was so much nicer to cut real wood. This wood seems quite soft. I did not have any problem with it absorbing ink as Dan mentioned. I did varnish it twice before I printed, once before cutting and once after. That may have solved the problem with the ink being absorbed into the wood. The intaglio lines were just impossible. If I wiped it clean on the surface, the ink lifted out of the lines too much. If I used smaller lines they barely printed. I did like the plate tone, it was very rich. So back to the drawing board. I also tried water based ink in the lines, squeeging it off like Greg Valentine suggested. It bled all over the paper when I printed it. I tried three different papers and it was bad on all of them. So if anyone has any suggestions I would still like to make this work. Maybe this is why they went to metal plates? They were all loosing their minds working with wood? I got my ink from the Green Drop Ink company, so will try it on the plates after I rest up a day or so. Maybe as a waterbased thick ink it will work. I tried Akua Kolor and it did not work as intaglio, I tried water color, I tried createx (I was desperate) and finally gave up as the deadline was looming closer and closer. Why can't I just make a single color print and be done with it instead of trying to kill myself? Just stubborn I guess! Barbara ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:06:30 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9056] Re: Sad tale of Hanga woe=20 Golly, Bea, I think any one of us could have written your tale of woe. There are *so* many things to be aware of & so many little things that have a bearing on the outcome of our hanga works - I have started re-reading all of the one -point lessons in the encyclopedia. Lessons that didn't seem to have anything to do with my cuttting and printing before, but now seem to be so crucial to the outcome that I want to read and re-read them until it all sinks in. My first hanga for an exchange (#3) I honestly have a pile of rejects in the studio stacked about 12 inches high. Blots all over - color wrong - registration *way off*. I was really having a hard time with it. But the more paper I "wasted" the better it got. The hanga work is still not as good as I would like - but it is steadily improving, and I'm liking it more and more. I guess I'm writing this to tell you not to give up, it's only a temporary growing pain. HANGA in there - it'll get better. Wanda ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:15:17 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9057] Exchange #1=20 I would like to take this opportunity to let all of you know about this. Graham Scholes has most generously offered to donate his portfolio of Exchange #1 to be included with the other exchanges in the Gilkey Center [Baren] collection. Barbara Mason (also most generously) has donated her copies of #2, #3 and #4 exchanges to the Gilkey Center. So, if you were part of those exchanges - you now have prints in one of the most prestiguous print collections in the USA! Right alongside Gaugain, Toulouse Latrec, Mary Cassatt, and Picasso - to mention only a few. Congratulations to all of you. Now, if you really want to put the frosting on the cake, dig through your stash of exchange prints & send copies to Barbara so she can have a replacement for those prints she donated to the Gilkey Center. I don't know how she did it - I don't think I could part with mine. I enjoy them so much. You guys are the best! I'm *so* proud to be a part of this group. Wanda ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:06:39 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9058] archives=20 Wanda, You are too kind, it was easy to donate them, I can visit them any time! Thanks to Graham for donating #1. Barbara ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:35:28 +0900 Subject: [Baren 9059] Re: Sad tale of Hanga woe=20 Jack wrote: > I found that I was not holding the baren perfectly flat,=20 > especially on blocks with widely separated patches of color.=20 This really is a key point ... If that thing isn't held in 'just' the right way, it is extremely easy to get blotches in unwanted areas. It takes some time to learn how to sail the baren across the back of the sheet, only 'touching down' in the proper areas.=20 I'm recently doing a lot of printing on blocks that I carved ten years ago (reprinting my poets' series), and am finding that blocks on which I originally had to use a 'mask' to avoid blotches, now print with no problems at all. The blocks and tools are the same ... the only difference is my experience ... > I have a feeling that the one baren I have may not be the best=20 > for all different blocks. When in doubt, get more tools! Well, Gosho-san might cheer to hear this, but my inclination would be to encourage the opposite approach. There are very few blocks that couldn't be printed very well with a good medium 8-strand baren. Having other barens can help with different kinds of work, but they are certainly not necessary ... Barbara wrote: > Why can't I just make a single color print and be done with it=20 > instead of trying to kill myself? Just stubborn I guess! Well _if_ I was taking apprentices, and _if_ you were one of them, then you wouldn't have any choice - you would be working with just one colour (black) for a very very long time. Although I certainly never had the self-discipline to learn printmaking that way _myself_, there is no question about this method. Learn to print black properly first, then everything else would be a piece of cake! (It's a good thing that I won't be 'running' things during the June workshop! Let's see ... we'll start every morning with an hour of baren-tying practice before going in for Marnie's breakfast at 6:30 ...=20 Hey, you think Maria is the only one around here with a whip ...?) Dave ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:44:28 -1000 Subject: [Baren 9060] Re: TROUBLE IN PARADISE=20 B Mason wrote: > Bea, > I am so sympathetic to the trouble you have had. I have had more than m= y > share, I am sure! I too gave up and printed with oil. I tried to do the > key block as an intaglio and it didn't work. I cut it three times with > three different widths of lines and each time the lines would not print > properly. If they got too wide they didn't hold ink. In the end I > changed the key block to a relief block with white lines. It was right > up there with nightmare. I printed about 30 proofs (Just like Jack) and > finally got it to look sort of decent... I am obviously new at this, but would like to offer some observations abo= ut hanga. I found the carving to be pretty straight forward, just a little slow for now but I can see that practice will speed things up. But printing! The variables of paper texture, paper moisture, block moisture, ink and paste quantities, baren pressure, and all of it constantly changi= ng as I was printing! This seems as though it must, like many of the Japanes= e arts, become an intuitive skill to be able to print consistently and well. The mechanics are all there in the baren archives and encyclopedia, but that's just a tease. I look forward to the day that I can print three sheets in a row with no mistakes, but I know that it will be after a good deal more practice. But, on the other hand, with all those variables, and the skills to use them, hanga can produce a range of colors, textures and effects that no other print medium can. Jack Aiea, Hawaii ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:50:05 -1000 Subject: [Baren 9061] Re: Sad tale of Hanga woe=20 David Bull wrote: > > > There are very few blocks that > couldn't be printed very well with a good medium 8-strand baren. Ahh...a "good" medium 8-strand baren. I wonder what that would be like... Jack ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:00:21 +0900 Subject: [Baren 9062] Communicating with tools ...=20 Jack wrote: > I found the carving to be pretty straight forward, just a little > slow for now but I can see that practice will speed things up. But > printing! > This seems as though it must, like many of the Japanese > arts, become an intuitive skill to be able to print consistently and we= ll. Sorry for the multiple posts today, but some of these points are very important. There is another aspect to this printing thing ... it's going to be a bit difficult to explain, and some of you might think that I'm pulling your leg - but the longer I work at this craft, the more convinced I am that what I have to say is quite true. When you sit down at the printing bench and start to work, the materials there - the tools, blocks and paper - can _sense_ whether or not you know what you are doing. =20 If when you sit down there, you pick up the baren firmly in your hand and give it a good twist inside the skin ... if you pick up your brush and give it a good vigourous run in your palm to test the hairs ... if you lift up the covering sheet and give the paper a good solid tweak with your fingers to test the moisture ... if you do this sort of thing - - _all the time acting with confidence and no hesitation_ - then they will sense that you know what you are doing, and they will 'play ball' properly. But if you are hesitant - if your motions are uncertain, if you gently dab at the paper ... "Hmmm, is this OK?" ... then you are lost; they will immediately sense that you are not in control, and will run all over you playing their fun and games; you will get nothing. Are you laughing? If so, then I most respectfully suggest that you try it. You don't have to be a 'bully'; you don't have to shout and bang things around trying to show them who is the boss ... you simply have to let them _feel_ it. Have quiet confidence, and express it in firm and certain movements. You will be astonished at the difference it will make in your work. Dave P.S. Just a few minutes ago I got an email and image attachment from somebody unknown to me. When I saw the image, I had to laugh out loud, "What a goodie!" Whether or not it is impolite to pass this on to you I'm not sure, but here is the lady's comment, along with her name and address and the image link. I think she belongs here on [Baren] - if you like her print, let her know about it! > =A0I am sending you a scanned image of one of my lino prints > (modern technology is OK for some things). The story - In > 1968 I was living in Cyprus and expecting my first son. I > bought a paper bag full of oranges. They had been sprayed > with water to keep them looking fresh. Not very far down > the road they soaked the bag and burst through. I was far > too pregnant to bend down or give chase. I know this image > is far removed from your prints but I just wanted to send > it as a token of appreciation for your wonderful website > and encyclopaedia.=20 Iris Steensma http://w.com/temporary/orange.jpg ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #954 ****************************