Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.57 1999/11/16 09:44:12 atson1 Exp atson1 $ on aardvark Received: by j.asahi-net.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 23 Apr 2000 22:03:49 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.asahi-net.or.jp (lancer.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.asahi-net.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA07706 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.asahi-net.or.jp (ml.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCA84884 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.asahi-net.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA25380; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:15 +0900 Received: by ml.asahi-net.or.jp; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:15 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.asahi-net.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA06688 for baren-digest-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Message-Id: <200004231300.WAA06688@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V11 #984 Reply-To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.asahi-net.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Sunday, 23 April 2000 Volume 11 : Number 984 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:56:55 -0700 Subject: [Baren 9432] Re: Baren Digest V11 #981 > Oh Graham, really...... Yes really Jean..... I said I would not be going there.... on the list server at least. You are an oldie and you know my stand from previous postings. To clearify..... all of my arguments and beliefs have nothing to do with Commercial or Graphic arts. A computer is a very important and valuable tool for that field. The comment in your first two statements. "You are always using the computer for your art, and for publicizing your art works" - "The design abilities you use in constructing your web site is art." Is marketing and commercial..... not Fine Art. Please Please understand this. I just don't believe it belongs in the Fine Arts business Reproduction prints that are produced on high speed computerized $300,000 to $500,000 printing presses..... I spend 30 years in the printing business and it is based on this knowledge and experience that a make my stand and comments. >I think you are just trying to >protect the printmaking market. Certainly I am...... and so should artist/printers who have a dedication in their field. I sat back 20 years ago and saw what the promoter of reproduction prints did and I will not sit back and just observer again. I am known here and other areas for my strong beliefs in protecting our domain..... Kind of like a tree hugger... There is another factor that you must understand.....I have met hundreds of people that bought that stuff thinking (as they were told by artist/promoters) that is was collectable and they were investing in a collection. They were Scammed plain and simple. It is my belief that as fine art printers we owe it to ourselves to educate and to promote our hand made products and not sit back and see them promote something that does not even come close to the fine art print as made by you and me. Not to forget stone lithographs, etchings, and on and on and on. Madly yours Graham ------------------------------ From: news@woodblock.com Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:58:57 +0900 Subject: [Baren 9433] One-Point Lesson ... Here is a short 'One-point' lesson, contributed by [Baren] member Eli Griggs. ********** ********** ********** (#37) Re-facing sharpening stones ... *** Q: After sharpening my knives and other tools, my sharpening stones gradually develop a worn place in the middle, no matter how carefully I try to use the entire surface of the stone. Can they be 'repaired'? How? A: A simple way to maintain flat waterstones is through the use of drywall sanding screens. Available at hardware stores and home centers, they are nothing more than rigid, open mesh to which abrasive grit has been bonded. Precut to fit common, drywall sanding poles, each measures 4 3/8 x 11 inches (111 x 279mm). They are large enough for most waterstones. They also come in several grades/grits, so select a medium grade for your first time out. To use one, first lightly tape a sheet of paper onto a plate of flat glass to catch the loose grit that will come from the waterstone. Place the screen on the paper. Using only light pressure, begin to work the dry stone over the screen. As the waterstone grit clogs the screen, lift the screen up and tap it gently on the paper, knocking the grit out. Push all this loose grit to the side so the screen remains flat on the paper/glass. Continue until all the high spots on the stone have disappeared. If you want to reserve the waterstone grit and use it later with strops, etc., then use a different screen with each grade/grit of waterstone, to avoid mixing the grades. Otherwise just discard the grit and paper. The screen should be useable for several sessions. ********** ********** ********** Previous 'one-point' lessons can be found in the Encyclopedia at: http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedia/topics/018/018.html Contributions from experienced printmakers for future 'One-pointers' are eagerly solicited. ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:08:47 -0700 Subject: [Baren 9434] Re: Baren Digest V11 #981 >> Oh Graham, really...... > >Yes really Jean..... >I said I would not be going there.... on the list server at least. I wish to apologize for posting this on the server. It was meant to be a personal posting as I had promised not to GO THERE. Blush Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:07:54 -0700 Subject: [Baren 9435] Re: One-Point Lesson ... >Here is a short 'One-point' lesson, contributed by [Baren] member Eli >Griggs. > >********** ********** ********** > >(#37) Re-facing sharpening stones ... > If you have two stones you can use these to flatten and reface you wet stones. Go to http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Sharpen.html and the image at the bottom of the page. Eli Griggs is an economical method when you don't have two stones. Graham ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:09:35 EDT Subject: [Baren 9436] digital insanity hi all, all I can tell you is, I wish you could see this piece April has up in our show which combines hanga & digital art, and it's wonderful, as is the purely digital art she has done. As with any tool or medium, the result of its use is determined by the individual. Believe me I've seen some lousy "art" done with oil paint! To each his own, and I think it's great to explore new tools and media, as well as using old methods of printmaking in unconventional ways. Oh yeah and there's nothing wrong with having fun making art either :) ! Sarah ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V11 #984 ****************************