[Baren} the mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking Baren Digest Friday, 26 May 2000 Volume 11 : Number1019 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Bull Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:04:15 +0900 Subject: [Baren 9733] Re: Ju nin, to iro > David > I am studying Chinese at the moment. Reading the characters for 'Ju > nin, to iro' in Chinese, it would be 'shi ren, shi se'. My question is > this, do you know why there are two different spellings for the same > character (ten) in this proverb? Here in Japan each character has two different pronounciations (I'm simplifying a bit here). Not to get into a long discourse ... but just a quick example: Each concept and thing has a word to match it in the native language (pre-Chinese influence). The word for 'ten' in this native Japanese is 'toh' (coincidentally very similar to the name of our carving knife). These native Japanese words for things have of course been in existence since long before reading and writing came about. But when the writing system was borrowed from the Chinese, the Chinese pronunciation for each character was also 'borrowed'. The sounds became scrambled a little because Japanese uses different basic sounds from Chinese. The Japanese version of the Chinese pronunciation for the idea of 'ten' is 'juu'. So as a result of this process of assimilating another language, nearly all concepts and things here have _two_ pronunciations. Here are the four characters of our 'juu nin toh iro' proverb: Ten: Japanese: toh 'Chinese': juu Person: Japanese: hito 'Chinese': nin Ten: Japanese: toh 'Chinese': juu Colour: Japanese: iro 'Chinese': shoku So the 'juu nin' part is 'Chinese' pronunciations, and the 'toh iro' part is Japanese pronunciations. This may all sound a bit strange, but English has a very similar history in many respects - the word 'pig' is native, but 'pork' came in with the Norman invasion, from 'porc'. Cow and 'boef' ... Calf and 'veal' ... Sheep and 'mouton' ... The animals (barnyard) are native, the resulting meats (the dining room) are French ... More than you wanted to know I guess ... :-) Dave ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:08:11 -0800 Subject: [Baren 9735] Re: HELP! >I have good news and I have bad news. Josephine, You got it backwards. The bad news is that you are getting a new PC. The good news can be that you have lost so much data and it is the indicator you are now free to buy a Mac...... If you are looking for graphics related job and ease of use 95% of the publishing houses including newspapers operate Macs. If you wish I can send a very interesting article relate to productivity and such PC verses Mac. Welcome back Graham ps If you were on a Mac I could probably solve some of your problems.... 18 years experience helps....... ------------------------------ From: BHearn2001@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:04:29 EDT Subject: [Baren 9736] Re: Baren Digest V11 #1017 : Graham writes: << I have a real one but she won't get into the modem..... >> Thanks for the above. I needed the laugh. Barbara Hearn ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:46:01 -0700 Subject: [Baren 9740] web stuff Hello boys and girls, It is about that time of the year in which I find myself inexplicably attracted to the idiotic proposition of updating and revising my website. So here's the scoop for all you lurkers, newcomers, and other forest creatures: All requests to send me stuff are OFFLIST please. - -If you want to be link-a-linkie to my site, just send me the URL (pronounced uhrl); my links page looks like this: http://www.printmakingstudio.com/links.html - -If you want to post a tiny print on the printmaker's mural, send it on to me and I will shrink and post, even if you already have a print there http://www.printmakingstudio.com/studio/mural.html - -Should you not possess a website at this moment and would like Baren and other entities across the globe to have a looksie at your stuff, talk to me about the Invited Artist's Gallery. This is a gallery within my website that costs you nothing forever, what a deal, ey? All you have to do is send me your images or photos or slides and some info on yourself. Check it out by clicking on anyone's name on the Invited Artist's gallery from my front page. ALSO! if you are already there and would like to change or add images, you know what to do. - -My Studio notes pages are also getting updated, new subjects coming up soon: "If Thy Background Offends Thee, Cut It Out!", "Metallic Inks Without the Pain", "Black Paper Reductions", "6,423 Easy Steps to a Festive Art Fest" I'm sure you can hardly wait...incidentally if you have a subject in which you consider yourself knowledgeable, and, again, have no website to share with the world, do send it to me and I will upload. That about does it. Yes, I'm still working on the world map of print links, although I admit it's a bit dusty from disuse. Health to all, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, PC or death Las Vegas Nevada USA http://www.printmakingstudio.com maria@mariarango.com mariten@lvcm.com <><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: "Daniel L. Dew" Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:32:18 -0400 Subject: [Baren 9741] Odd question Is it still considered a part of one edition to work in different paper types or is it two different editions? Say I do 10 prints on Masa paper, then 10 on Rives. Is it one edition of 20 or two editions of ten? dan dew ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:06:06 -0700 Subject: [Baren 9742] editions Dan, It is one edition of 20, with a note on the back that 1-10 are on masa and 11-20 are on rives or whatever. It would be a "varied edition 1-20" if you had changed the ink or the printing techniques while printing. Barbara ------------------------------ From: barbara patera Date: Fri, 26 May 100 02:44:15 Pacific Daylight Time Subject: [none] Hi, I've been lurking around for a few days and thought it time to introduce myself. My name is Barbara Patera. I live in Issaquah Washington just east of Seattle. Have always drawn, made prints,built things and until a few years ago made my living as a potter/sculptor. Started doing digital stuff last year ( it's soooo clean ), but recently discovered how much I like doing woodcut prints.I'm a rank amateur, certainly not yet into mixing my own pigments and I have been using whatever wood is available....including driftwood. As you see I have much to learn. Hope to make a good addition to the group and am definitely looking forward to the next print exchange. All the exchanges to date have been wonderful. If you are interested in seeing some of my work ( prints not yet posted) my web site is; http://members.tripod.com/~hollandART/BP-index.html Barbara P. ------------------------------ From: baren_member@woodblock.com (Arye Saar) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 06:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Baren 9744] Ex. #5 Message posted by: Arye Saar Package arrived today. Wonderful collection of ART! Thanx all, and mostly Dave (Initiator) and Maria (Collator). I am planning an exhibition of ex. # 4+5 in several main museum's & galleries. First place i'm in touch with is the 'Beit Gavriel' (House of Gabriel), where the Peace treaty between Israel & Jordan was signed by Premier Rabin and King Husien. The site is a beautiful and marvelous place on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. Hope all participants will agree. Arye ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V11 #1019 *****************************