[Baren} the mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking

Baren Digest               Tuesday, 25 April 2000       Volume 11 : Number 987


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From: jenvey@juno.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Baren 9479] Re: paper storage 

> Yes, just make sure you have no bugs, but in a brand new place you 
> should be OK. 

Barbara

I have done more woodcut prints than probably utilizing any other kind of
matrix. But I also still do some etchings, lithographs, collagraphs and
have some time ago done some screenprints and linocuts. But, I must
confess that after monitoring the informative e-mails on Baren, I realize
how much I have to still learn about printmaking. There is so much that
they don't tell you about in school, I guess there is just never enough
time. 

My husband is still doing some finshout of the studio and doesn't want me
to order the press until he is done, but I keep getting nervous, thinking
that there might be a price increase before I get my order in. I have
thought about calling Takach and ordering it now with a late delivery
date in July (they told me it would take four to six weeks to build the
press after order).

The part of the Dallas metroplex that I am is Flower Mound. I am sure
that your brother has heard of it. I get over to Richardson all the time.
Of course it is on the Northeast side of Dallas and I am on the Northwest
side of Dallas.  Let me know when you'll be in the Dallas area and we
will get together for a visit.

Jean 
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From: "JoeS" <sheridanpsm@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:43:13 -0400
Subject: [Baren 9480] Re: Exhibition Costs 

I agree with Graham.
I think this avenue should be kept free for question, opinion, discussion
and a sharing on the woodblock printmaking subject.
If there are to be exhibitions, then the costs should be met by those who
particapate.  The expense should certainly not left to the one who organizes
the exibit.
My two cents.
Joe S.

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:35:25 -1000
Subject: [Baren 9481] Re: paper storage 

jenvey@juno.com wrote:

> making each section 55 inches by 42 inches, then lay pegboard along the
> metal shelving part and then the paper. Do you think would be allright.

Although high temperatures can age paper, making it brittle and breaking
down the sizing, the range that you are talking about should not be a
problem for relatively short periods of time. As you will be constantly
using and replenishing your stock, none of your paper should be there for
the length of time that may cause problems. However, I would recommend that
you do not lay any paper that you will be using directly on pegboard, it is
nasty stuff, with a high acid content and off gasses various unpleasant
chemicals that are residues of the adhesives used to bind it together.
Buffer your stacks with acid free cardboard on the bottom.

Jack
Aiea, Hawaii

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From: Cucamongie@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:14:36 EDT
Subject: [Baren 9482] Baren Suji 

See Dave's message below, HMMMM .. Well, it really was a nice present to have April's & my show featured in Baren Suji, thank you (and I do mean that sincerely).
Sarah

>in Dave's message was:
>> ... send in some contributions to Maria for the Baren Suji, 
>> and you might get a present. 

>Please please ... this is no big deal. 
>(My main worry just now, is that it is quite possible that I overlooked somebody ...)    :-(

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From: "David Stones" <stones@mb.i-chubu.ne.jp>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:02:40 +0900
Subject: [Baren 9484] Re: Exhibit Expenses

Dear All,

Dave B wrote:
>The recent messages dealing with organization and financing have been
>very important, and I would like to encourage any of you who have good
>thoughts on these topics to speak up now. Even while this Skokie
>exhibition is still running, others are on the drawing board, ....

I'm one that has not reimbursed Julio for expenses - yet... The reason is
that anyone not resident in the country of an exhibition (at present
the U.S.A. and I'm in Japan) have some problems getting the right cash
amount overseas. The fees are usually small for exhibitions and, in Japan,
it can sometimes cost more to SEND the cash than the fee itself. It also
costs the organizers to send any sales receipts overseas too.

So, in an agreement with Julio, we said that the fee could be paid AFTER
the exhibit (the trust in [Baren] membership acting as our guarantor) and
should a print sell - but more for when the return postage/other costs are
is known - we either deduct the costs from the sales receipt or send the
cash on as soon as it is known. The Post Office International Money Order
system seems to work best for us here but others - in check-friendly
places (NOT Japan) can use another method.

The point being that it does, in the end, cut out unnecessary bank/P.O.
fees which can and do discourage participation, especially by beginners -
who could really benefit from showing. It puts a financial loss, for a
short time, on the organiser but, in the case of [Baren] only shows, such
as what Julio has done with success, this could be off-set with something
extra paid in the decided fee - to cover loss of bank interest (for
example - although interest in Japan is now zero point four% - Yes, 0.4%!).
This idea does not work in large, open-to-anyone shows of course but it is
one way we could pay [Baren] show expenses, wherever the show may be.

Just my \2@0.4% worth.

Ishita (Dave S)


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:50:44 -0100
Subject: [Baren 9485] Re: Paid memberships 

>If paid memberships are suggested again I'm outa here
>bloody stupid suggestion

Dutch,
Please please don't take this in the way it was written.
One of our other participants made a statement that raised the 
hackles on Josephine's neck and he lived to tell the tale.

Remember two thingies..... Josephine  carries the name honestly. 
Wasn't there a fierce Josephine in history.... if there wasn't there 
is now.....
AND
Never ever ever, even ever, cross a Australian..... like us Canadians 
they are quiet and unassuming until.........

Graham

ps.  Nicely put Josephine.  (<;

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:57:50 -0100
Subject: [Baren 9486] Re: Exhibit Expenses 

Dave,

When I purchase paper from Japan I handle the transaction by 
transfering through the bank the necessary monies  It is a "bank 
transfer" and dealing with upward $7000.00 big ones the last charge 
was $35.00 Can  Not a big deal.   Check it out.

Graham


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From: "David Stones" <stones@mb.i-chubu.ne.jp>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:42:26 +0900
Subject: [Baren 9487] Re: Exhibit Expenses

Dear All,

Graham wrote:
>was $35.00 Can  Not a big deal.   Check it out.

Might move to Canada... Where they get you here is that SMALL amounts cost
the earth to send. Citibank have just quoted me US$38 to send US$50 via the
service you mentioned... It's probably similar elsewhere too (?) The P.O.
would like "only" US$9.20... (@\103/$1).

The object of the idea I mentioned would be to eliminate as much of this
hassle/waste of artists' funds as possible... especially for the lower-fee
cost end from here. Better shut up on Japanese banking practices though or
I'll probably type something even more strongly than the membership fee
comment a la Josephine. (A polite growl of "No" from me on that suggestion
too.)

Ishita (Dave S)

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:15:08 -0100
Subject: [Baren 9488] Re: Exhibit Expenses 

Barter.... use the barter system Dave
In lieu of money....... send by mail the equivant value owed of that 
wonderful Hosho paper.
You will have members lining up to organize exhibitions.  Win win as I see i=
t.

Graham

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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:18:17 -0700
Subject: [Baren 9489] money 

Dave is so right about money from foreign countries, it is easy for us
in the USA to transfer money to other countries, but not the other way
around. We do business with Sony in Japan and about 3 months after they
transfer us  money, we get a mysterious bank transfer charge of $50, no
matter what the size of their transfer was. When we buy overseas, they
do not get the same charge. It is really strange. We sent a check to
Taiwan once and they returned it as it would cost them more to cash it
than the amount which was about $50! I think the international Postal
Money Order is the thing for small amounts. I do see that waiting would
be good if the prints were for sale, but in the situation with the
exchange shows they are not for sale, are they? Unless people sent extra
prints, then I guess they would be.

I agree with Josephine that a membership fee is a bad idea, it might
discourage people, especially people from outside the USA and Canada.
Let's not shoot anyone this week, so messy. I am not quite as outspoken
as Jo, but I sure understand her wrath over this. Most of the baren
members are in the USA, so they could probably float the members in
other countries during an exhibit, hoping work would sell so the person
who set it up could recoup expenses. I am sure we can figure this out,
maybe donations is the way to go enitially and then a fee for
exhibiting? What do you think? How about sending money to Australia? Is
the money order the way to go there also?

Since we have frames now, the charges should be small, probably under
$500 to mount a fairly nice exhibitonantwhere in the USA with a card and
mailing. You can get 500 cards for $99 from modern postcards, then there
is postage. Of course, we could print our own! After all, we are
printmakers! Seems like we could have a little team effort on some of
this stuff! Maybe we should assemble an international mailing list for
exhiitions, of just send show cards to each member who is showing work
to distribute to the press and friends or to use for their own
promotion.

Lots to think about, and if we do have some money somewhere, who handles
it? Do we become an educational non-profit for tax reasons? After all,
we would certainly qualify as we certainly have no profit and are really
an educational forum.
Barbara

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