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Baren Digest      Friday, 14 July 2000      Volume 12 : Number1076

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From: Gary Luedtke <GLuedtke@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:21:05 -0400
Subject: [Baren 10445] Motivated by greed??? 

Graham, after I admittedly put him on the defensive, had this to say, to
which I shall try to make my comments brief.

<<First and formost I do not do art to make money.
<<I can't take credit for selling art in the formats that satisfy the
customers needs.
It is a marketing technique.

I'm confused here Graham.  If you are not in art to make money, why do you
have a marketing technique???

<<I have been well below the poverty level for 23 years.

I can see by your bootcamp photos that you live in poverty, Graham.  
Computers, printers, acreage,  breakfast nooks, picnic patios, digital
cameras.    If that be poverty, may I be stricken with it!

<< If you have visited my wife site....

What is your wife's site?   Does she sell prints too?  : )

<<Beautifull !  You have just effectively insulted all of the baren
members....

Of which I am one.   I make multiples too.

<<Printmakers do multilple pieces.....  How could one be called a
printmaker if you don't make prints. =

You could be called a Xerox machine, or a Giclee printer, they make
multiples too.

>He limits the edition to further "enhance" the value of the print.
<<You make it sound disreputable...... you have been listening to Dave to=

much.

Excuse me, but what then is the purpose of a limited edition?

Gary

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From: Studio Dalwood <severn@acay.com.au>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:39:07 +1000
Subject: [Baren 10446] Motivated by greed???

In the ongoing saga of tension between Graham and Gary they said.
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>In a word, isn't that what all of us are doing by
>making multiples?   If true art is our strict ethic, then why make
>multiples of it?  Isn't that motivated by greed?  Why not make one
work of
>art and move on to the next creation?   That's what painters do.

Beautifull !  You have just effectively insulted all of the baren
members....
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I found Gary's post extremely offensive, and his continuing attacks on
Graham quite juvenile and inappropriate for this forum. But what can you
expect from someone who (I am led to understand) has never carved a
block or pulled a print.

Isnt it the case that only those who have first hand experience are
qualified to speak on a subject?

Josephine

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From: Cucamongie@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:38:33 EDT
Subject: [Baren 10447] "hanshita" and "kyogo"

Thanks Wanda & Dave, for your info on paper, "hanshita" & "kyogo" - Dave,
what I had originally meant to be referring to was "kyogo", but I think
someone mistakenly had previously told me it was called "hanshita" - at any
rate, thanks a lot, I'll try your suggestions!  Wanda, I use rice paste to
paste the paper down, do you think the gum arabic works better?
Sarah

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From: "Philip Smith" <smithart@pacifier.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Baren 10448] Re: "hanshita" and "kyogo" 

Sarah here's something you might try,....United Suppliers at
800-645-7260, has something called" mounting paste",..it's reversible
and the neat feature is that it has no water in it's composition,...so
you can use the cheapest tissue paper and it won't wrinkle up,....they
sell it in a gallon container, it's by Umsco,...and they have a large
free catalog,...The gallon sells for $17.50,....and all you do is take
a dab and a brayer and roll it on your block. It works!!!
Philip

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From: Legreenart@cs.com
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:52:19 EDT
Subject: [Baren 10449] Re: Baren Digest V12 #1075 about themes

About themes:

I started with a "man in the box" theme 14 years ago. I decided to work on
that theme in order to struggle more effectively with my self conscious
feelings about making art. I was frozen when I tried to make a piece art
because of the audacity of my desire, even inside my head, to make a work of
A
rt. Finally, I decided to make art in which the subject was conscious of
being confined to a finite, two dimensional space. I planned to make just
one
or two as a mental-block breaker.

    This theme of the confined figure called other conflicts between the
infinite and the finite throughout human experience. For the next three to
four years, this theme opened rich possibilities to me for explorations, and
of the possibility of improving on the previous piece in the series. . After
four years, there devloped a different kind of "story"I  felt more compelled
to struggle with, and I pretty well abandoned the theme for several years.
But we, the theme and I are not done yet, a deep plot is hatching in my
subconciousness...child of an old stray thought...
    I think one is just not always finished with working out all one has to
say about a theme in one piece.
    It is only sad when an artist continues with a theme or technique after
the last creative ember is ash.

Thematically.
Le

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:12:39 -0700
Subject: [Baren 10450] Re: Motivated by greed???

>I found Gary's post extremely offensive, and his continuing attacks on
>Graham quite juvenile and inappropriate for this forum. But what can you
>expect from someone who (I am led to understand) has never carved a
>block or pulled a print.

>Josephine

Thanks for this.   I did not want to go there.....
"has never carved a block or pulled a print."

I am not going to carry this thread any further by responding to Gary's
latest.
I have no Idea why he sent the first volley but I ask everyone to
move on with the important things and disregard the postings on this
nonsense.

Time to create..... cut....print

Regards
Graham

How can I miss you if you won't go away?

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