Baren Digest              Thursday, 4 January 2001      Volume 14 : Number 1273


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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:54:08 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12795] Farewell. 

Administrator....  Please do not edit or alter this post.
If this occurs please understand that I have the e-mail addresses on 
file of every Baren member from day one, so they will get this exact 
posting should you change anything.

Well it is time ladies and gentlemen to bid adieux.

Yesterday I posted a couple of joke type posts and was slam dunked 
for doing it. The council thought I was out of line.

Jeanne had a couple of posts the ended up in my mail box being 10 
pages of html.
I just had to have fun with her and wrote.

I have been away for awhile, as most of you know, as I thought it 
best to step back and assess the Baren and its direction.  I also was 
not pleased that there is censorship happening.

I truly appreciate the many private mailings and even Xmas cards that 
have ask me to come back.
I was going to and thus was starting to become involved (5 postings 
since Dec 28th.) The fun mailings was the start of coming back on 
stream. I had an informative bit on varnish verses shellac and was 
about to send it when the ..... hit the fan.

It does grieve me to see the direction the Baren is going.  We had a 
wonderful vehicle here for the help and development of people 
interested in Hanga.  Now I can see that it has become bitter, 
vindictive and nasty. I am not interested in dodging any more bullets 
so I am moving on.

I will still be available for anyone that wishes to post me privately 
looking for help.

We are going ahead with the annual teaching assignment at
Boot Camp where we have a couple of spaces available.

The best to all.

Graham & Marnie

Home of the Boot Camp
An Island in the Pacific
http://members.home.net/woodblocks/

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From: Lawrence <vurt1@optushome.com.au>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:15:07 +1100
Subject: [Baren 12796] Re: Battleship lino 

I have to say the best, best, best, lino in the world (as far as I'm 
concerned) is the brown battleship lino (which is were it was first 
invented and made for the old Dreadnought Destroyers) made in Glasgow 
before the factory burnt down in 1996 or so. God I love that stuff... It is 
like manna from heaven, it has a soul (need I go on). Bit of trivia for 
you, but battleship lino (the brown stuff) was invented to prevent sailors 
rubbing up against the cold ships steel as they would stick to it. Gross 
huh! That is as far as I know the first lino made.

Regards

Lawrence



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From: "Cate Pfeifer" <Cate108@Earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:48:28 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12797] Re:   Baren Digest v14 #1272 charset="iso-8859-1" 

Hi All,

> I find it frustrated to see the abbreviations (mostly
> states) and the lack of a country of destination in most of
> the addresses. From what I have seen of the postal services
> internationally, I think we should be more careful in
> identifying exactly where the post is going to.
>
> my 2c
> Jospehine

I went back and checked to see if I was using the abbreviations.  Well, I
did for Kansas (KS - roughly square state west of the Mississippi River) but
was relieved that I remembered to add USA.  You are right, it is not correct
to expect someone not from the US to know our states.  It would not add to
the fun of sending the cards out - adding research on top of all the other
work done on these prints might make it more of a chore.

> This is something of a 'see you later' mail...
>
> "You write a message
> and no one responds, - you feel like you are talking
> to yourself, I can do that at home...
>
> Josephine

Oh no!  I am so sorry to hear about your silence and (hopefully not!) exit
from Baren.  As a beginner, I really appreciate your knowledgeable, humorous
and insightful posts.  I wish I could contribute more to the Baren
conversation but, alas, I am too new.  I really love to listen to the more
experienced artists, though.

I guess my role in Baren is to show appreciation to the generous souls (like
you) who are so openhanded with their information and support.  I will just
say "Thank You" to you and all of the wonderful Baren teachers more often.

It is interesting to hear the different responses to your post.  My personal
tendency is to ask (and even try to convince!)  you (and other artists) to
stay and be happy.  I do it for selfish reasons of wanting to learn and be
involved in this excellent artist's community.  Yet, I do not fully know
your situation - only you know that.  I do know that everyone has to
do/decide what is right for them.  There is a time to speak and a time to be
silent.  A time to stay and a time to go.  Josephine, I offer support and
wish you happiness in whatever you decide.

I also hope in my heart that you and others will happily return soon.  You
are missed.

High Regards,

Cate



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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:54:19 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12798] Leaving the list charset="iso-8859-1" 

Sorry you're leaving the list, Josephine.  I hope it will be a temporary
absence, as it was last time.  Sometimes it is a good idea to "take a
vacation," and I suppose that goes for the person who has been bothering you
off-list as well.  We certainly can't hide our mistakes here.  If I just
keep talking, everyone worldwide will know just how much I don't know.  It
keeps me humble and respectful, but I hang in here because I need the
technical information, crave the discussion of themes and solutions, adore
the spontaneous exhibitions, thrive on the exchanges, and so on. So I try
not to let my personal anguish and animosity spill over into Baren, knowing
that if it does spill over only once in awhile, it is readily forgiven.
It's better to put it into a print than to put it in words and publish it
worldwide.  I have a whole closet of shoes with teeth marks in them.  I am
glad that my browser does not insert weird marks into my messages, but I
fully expect it to do so any day now.
Jean
http://www.jeaneger.com

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