Baren Digest Wednesday, 10 January 2001 Volume 14 : Number 1280 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John and Jan Telfer Date: Tue, 9 Jan 01 21:55:30 -0000 Subject: [Baren 12900] Re: Waterbased Lino Printing Ink "Baren Digest" Dear Barbara, >Interesting about the ink available in Australia. Not a familiar brand >here, where is Coates made? Coates is made in Australia and is distributed by Melbourne Etching Supplies, Fitzroy, Victoria, Aust. and also two other brands of waterbased relief inks I have in my "shed". One is Reeves, the other AC which are both made by Educational Colours P/L, Bayswater Victoria 3153 Australia. Graphic Chemical is also listed in the Melbourne Etching Supply Catalogue with water based relief printing inks. Is that right, Dean? > Is it a rewetting ink? I mean, if the ink >dries totally on something, say your glass, can you add water to make it >soluble again? The Graphic quality is not an acrylic base and washes up with warm soapy water. I have several jars bits left over from my Tech Training days and it is still very fluid where as the Reeves colours have a leather coating on the top but fine underneath and the AC brand may need to be filed in the bin, but this is after at least 6 years+! Rewetting - I doubt it - I can't smudge my Christmas card prints from "way back". I have some ink out to test. I only leave out the amount I want to use or keep going until it is all gone. These colours are all in tubs, so the colours are easy to replace, not like tubes which I think Speedball produces. These waterbased ones are recommended for use by children and I have used them with kids at primary school level. I will enclose one of my old Christmas cards from the '80s with your Snake tomorrow when I can post them all with our snake stamps....hence the Snake delay. Happy New year to all, Jan ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:29:26 EST Subject: [Baren 12901] Stencil brushes Hi all, georga, you don't need to burn the ends on the stencil brushes. This would only work for the horsehair shoe-type brushes - the purpose is to split the ends of the hairs on the brushes so that you have more brush to hold the ink, a more dense brush surface. At any rate, stencil brushes are available in a range of sizes, so I think they would be fine for you to start with. Sarah ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:01:39 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12902] slippery slithery dudes and dudettes Hey gang, Julio has done such a wonderful job creating a Snake 2001 web page that I have bowed to his greatness. To see your wonderful creation, and everyone elses creations, go to: http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/snakes/ Cut! Print! dan dew tampa, fl ------------------------------ From: GraphChem@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:15:03 EST Subject: [Baren 12903] Re: x - --part1_10.7318bcb.278c76e7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few Brazilian artists purchase materials directly from U.S. suppliers (or at least directly from Graphic Chemical - I can't speak for the others.) With a credit card, it presents no problem on this end. Send us an address and we'll be glad to get a catalog to you. DEan Clark ------------------------------ From: GraphChem@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:28:37 EST Subject: [Baren 12905] Re: Waterbased Lino Printing Ink That's right, Jan. Graphic Chemical inks are stocked by both Melbourne Etching Supplies and Heidelberg Art Supples in Melbourne, Jacksons in Perth, Premier in Adelaide and a couple of others that I can't think of right now. Dean ------------------------------ From: GWohlken Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12906] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1279 Hey everyone, I just went to the Baren Mall at http://www.barenforum.org/mall/index.html and what a set-up for shopping for hanga materials! Council, you did a wonderful job organizing this, and after I get the bills from our Holiday celebrations under control, I hope to order some more knives and some sharpening stones. As for paper, I'm totally confused. I have no idea what those papers mean and how they would print and what they are like. How do we find out about papers and what each is best to use for what? Gayle ------------------------------ From: Claude Villeneuve Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:39:56 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12907] Artdeadline list in Spanish I receive each few month a kind of Artdeadline list from Xylon Argentina. It contains various Mail Art projects, poetry contests,etc. For those who can read Spanish and are interested in getting it, e-mail me and I'll send you a copy. It's a bit too voluminous and a bit off-topic for the Forum. Julio, Maria, that might interest you? Dan: About your enthusiastic and spontaneous gesture about exchange # 9, why don't you volunteer to take care of exchange # 10 instead? (I enjoy reading your contributions on the forum...you're so uplifting! better than a cup of coffee) Maria: I admire your energy, devotion, committment and gift of the gab. Your comments regarding the forum were to the point and made a lot of sense. Josephine: If you're still out there, What's the address of the Snake Place that burnt down in Australia and lost all its snakes. I'd like to send some of my snakes to them in case they decide to do a fundraiser at some point. This is a great forum. I'm learning a lot and appreciate everyone's input. Thanks and Happy Year of the Snake to everyone out there. Claude AimŽe Villeneuve Montreal Quebec Canada ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12908] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1279 Wow, wouldn't it be cool if there were testimonials from some people or some basic explnantions on each paper? thanks, dan dew tampa,fl ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:18:30 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12909] Yamaguchi paper Dave said: The sheets are 56 cm wide and 41 cm high ... imagine the typical traditional Japanese print - a Hiroshige landscape for example. These sheets will make two of those prints ... I don't know the 'momme' ... but the paper is standard medium weight. As for sizing, I asked them to send it over to Misawa-san .. So there you go Dan, it is medium and will arrive here in Oregon in about 3-4 weeks and we will ship as soon as you order! Barbara ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12910] Re: Yamaguchi paper I know I'm from Florida and this allows for a lot of jokes, but your answer is a tad confusing. The amll lists 26 different types of paper. For a beginner like me, I wouldn't even know which one or two papers to start with. Out of those 26 listed, which would you recommend as a good, general, overall, waterbase ink use sized paper? thanks, dan dew confused in florida again ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 09:17:33 -0700 Subject: [Baren 12911] Re: Paper (was Digest v14 #1279) Daniel Dew wrote: > Wow, wouldn't it be cool if there were testimonials from some people or some > basic explnantions on each paper? Gayle wrote: > > stones. As for paper, I'm totally confused. I have no idea what those > > papers mean and how they would print and what they are like. How do we > > find out about papers and what each is best to use for what? I've used 3 of these papers from Matsumara. I'll have to find my notes and get back to you. They are very nice papers, especially for that price. You will be thrilled with them, believe me. Maria suggests ordering a full sheet of new paper instead of the little sample swatches - I think that's a great idea! I think (off the top of my head) I ordered #9, #10, & #12. I liked #12 the best. But, I've ordered different paper this time. Perhaps if we all pooled our experiences with the papers - we could have nice 'first-hand' opinions to share. They are ideal for the hanga methods. It is so hard to find 'sized' Japanese papers in the states. Wanda ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Pflederer Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 13:34:41 -0600 Subject: [Baren 12912] postcard I've just looked at the mall and I'd like to know what size (in inches if possible) the Japanese postcards are. Also, are they sized...and if so, is there a way I can remove the sizing from them and from any other sized paper for that matter? (The way I work I prefer to use unsized paper). Another note...please hurry and put item in the Wood section of the mall! Thanks, Carolyn ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:37:59 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12913] Re: Baren mall charset="iso-8859-1" I think the mall http://barenforum.org/mall/index.html is a wonderful idea. Himi and Fumi are hard workers, like their dad. They have survival skills! But I hope they are not taking time away from their studies to make brushes. Jean Eger-Womack http://www.jeaneger.com ------------------------------ From: Shireen Holman Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12914] Brazil Murillo wrote about the lack of supplies in Brazil. I just got the newsletter from Hiromi Paper (it's called World of Washi). In it, Hiromi Katayama says that she recently went to a conference in Brazil where people talked about how impossible it was for people to get Japanese papers there. She says that Hiromi Paper has "established a relationship with World Paper from Sao Paulo" - - I don't know exactly what that means, but it sounds as though they'll be importing Japanese papers. Shireen *********************************************** Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist email: shireenh@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~shireenh/ *********************************************** ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:39:34 +1100 Subject: [Baren 12915] Snakes and Reptile Park Good Morning Its called the Australian Reptile Park. I just did a search on Google for you and found the following websites for you to view. This week they had an article in the local paper about them hatching some very rare pythons, first time hatched in captivity. For those of you who missed my earlier post about this, the park is a very important venom research centre as well as a native animal and reptile zoo. They lost thousands of snakes and spiders in a fire recently which destroyed the main building and I suggested that we donate our images to them so that they can use them for promotional purposes and as fundraisers. AUSTRALIAN REPTILE PARK PO Box 192, Gosford, NSW, 2250 AUSTRALIA http://cyberfair.gsn.org/elanora/reptile.html this is the old website http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ausreprk/repabout.htm this is the new site http://www.illnews.com.au/tue/2057789.htm This is an article about the fire http://www.smh.com.au/news/0008/02/national/national12.html this one's about the venom research and has a picky of the fire remains http://walkabout.fairfax.com.au/fairfax/locations/NSWPearlBeach.shtml This one is not about snakes, its pictures and info about Pearl Beach, where I just moved to. Check out the links to Woy Woy and Patonga too. I'm just off the beach about ten houses up. About ten houses the other way the national park starts. A little while ago my neighbour called me over to see a diamond python curled up in her ferns near her back door, but now all the holiday people are here the wildlife seems to have gone into hiding - like me. I'm really enjoying having the snakes come to the house post box. I've received a few so far and they have given me a great deal of pleasure. The rock climbers were stoked about the bowline snake and have requested a knot series of snakes. My snake is half printed and will be mounted on hand made paper - so I have to paste them all together too. I'm hoping to post them all by the end of the week. Its a linocut, hand printed on khozo with oil based relief inks from Graphic Chemicals. I am planning to go visit the reptile park soon as it is just a few kilometers away and will talk to them about the cards then. In the meantime I think it would be great if you all just send them a card out of the blue. They will have absolutely no idea why they are getting them. back to lurking Josephine Print Australia http://www.acay.com.au/~severn ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 15:58:10 -0600 Subject: [Baren 12916] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1279 At 10:00 PM 01/09/2001 +0900, Sarah wrote: >One printmaker I know (I'm not sure if it was >April or a woman named Kathy Caraccio) even tried preparing a shoebrush like >most people prepare a marubake, that is, singing the ends of the brush etc Make that more than one printmaker (there are lots) !! Shoe brushes are an inexpensive and workable alternative to those expensive marubake (but they aren't usually nearly as fine). I buy the big (about 8" long) horsehair shoe polishing brushes when I can find 'em cheap -- about $6 or less -- and cut 'em into two or three or four smaller marubake. I look for genuine horsehair and as dense a brush as I can find. I use a sharp scissors to trim them to shape -- basically shaping them with a gentle radius from the center (like a baren!) and rounding the edges substantially. Then I use a propane torch to singe the hairs (do this outside -- it smells exactly like burning hair for some odd reason :-) and then scrape the singed hair with a sharkskin. My sharkskin is a piece of sharply perforated and formed sheet metal attached to my grinder so it spins and does the job a heck of a lot better and faster than by hand (I'm so lazy!). The idea is to make a brush which touches lightly at the edges and heavier in the middle with each hair tapering smoothly down to a fine point. The singeing and scraping produce tapered ends. The tapered ends are softer and finer than the coarse horse hair and so make a smoother distribution of pigment when printing hanga. Mike Mike Lyon mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Claude Villeneuve Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Baren 12917] Re: Snakes and Reptile Park Thanks Josephine! I will be dropping them a line and sending snakes soon! Being absolutely crazy about animals and getting really really sad when something terrible happens to them, I feel I'd like to do more for the Reptile Park. What about a spider exchange or something? Those interested could send prints to them so they could make an exhibit and sell them to make some money and continue their reconstruction? - Just an idea... Claude AimŽe, Montreal ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:26:22 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12918] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1279 charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Arafat, I was just looking through some old papers and came across your survey of printmaking technique. Did you ever get the results from that survey? Can we see it on line somewhere? Jean Eger-Womack ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hor=E1cio_Soares?= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:33:58 -0200 Subject: [Baren 12919] Re: x charset="iso-8859-1" Oi Murilo, tudo bem? I've already bought by the web very good Japanese tools (U and V gouges) from McClains and Japanese paper from Dick Blick. The goods were delivered in Rio/Brazil very fast without any problem. You can find their web addresses in Baren page or Great Maria Arango page, among others. And, don«t forget that now we have the Baren Mall. I also made a personal contact with Hiromi Paper when I was in S G Conference in Miami last year and they told me that frequently deliver Japanese paper to Brazilian clients. www.hiromipaper.com I bought some Japanese paper as well from a Brazilian supplier in Rio, Dritter, tel (21) 5905640 or (21) 5738070, www.dritter.com.br but it was very expensive. They have many types in stock: kozo, okawara, tegujo, silk tissue, nagauda, hizuki, etc. Funny to talk with you in English, but my answer to your nice e-mail about my prints and writings was returned as "user unknown". I sent it to muriloap@newsite.com.br. Please, let me know off list your right mail. Valeu, merm‹o. Hor‡cio, from Copacabana Beach (40 degrees Centigrade ) / Rio de Janeiro / Brazil horacio@centroin.com.br www.analisevital.com.br/xilograv.htm www.analisevital.com.br/xilograv2.htm ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:15:53 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12920] RE: postcard charset="iso-8859-1" Carolyn, We are investigating the size of the postcard and will post at a later time. As for the rest, here is the scoop: "As far as removing the sizing goes ... no dice. The idea in having the paper sized is to supply paper that is 'ready-to-use' for woodblock printmaking. And for wood ... the problem of course is stratospheric shipping costs. Matsumura-san really wants to have it in there though, so I guess I'll comply, and try to find the best surface route." There you have it! Unsized paper can be found from the suppliers listed below. There were other questions on papers regarding the use of the listed papers. A few ways to go about it: - -One, of course, is to order a sheet of each and test them in actual printing - -Another is to request catalogs (and paper samplers) from Hiromi paper, McClain's, to give but two examples (contact info for both can be found in http://www.printmakingstudio.com/artsupplies.html - -Yet another is to search the web, in that same page, go to The Paper Web, Japanese Paper supply (I think), any others that you can find paper information. An excellent resource for paper names and their uses is Sylvie Turner's "The Book of Fine Paper." Then do a bit of research on paper names and their uses and...back to the mall! Sometime in the future we may add more information on the items offered, so keep those suggestions coming. On the mall: Thanks to those of you who are brave to test the waters! Seems everything is going pretty well. Please feel free to email me or call me, I'm checking the email about every couple of hours these days to be sure everything is smooth. Also, be sure to read the How To Shop page and the Shipping page. http://barenforum.org Mall Manager at your service! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:53:07 -0700 Subject: [Baren 12921] News from Marco Hello everybody and Happy New Year, this is Marco Flavio from San Francisco. I am having a big show here in the city opening Feb 8th of my new woodblock portraits. Anybody want an invitation and can make it e-mail me their snail-mail address. Also I am in the National Competition by the Boston Printmakers opening Feb. 15th with 2 pieces. If you are interested in that let me know I will send an invitation when I get them. A presto! (see you soon!) Marco Flavio Marinucci marco@athomefaraway.com ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:54:34 -0700 Subject: [Baren 12922] Questions about NWPC Hello everybody, does anyone have information on how to apply for membership in the North West Print Council? Thanks, Marco Flavio ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:26:51 -0700 Subject: [Baren 12923] Re: postcard Hi Carolyn & Maria, The postcard is 4 1/8 x 6 inches and is a white torinoko-type paper. I haven't printed on mine yet (just finishing a snake or two) but I plan to print hanga-style (water-base & sized paper). The back of the card has some little red glyphs (sorry Dave, I'm sure they say something) and 7 little red boxes & a red outline for where the stamp goes. So anyone who is on the snake exchange will be seeing a card as soon as the snake stamps arrive at the post office! Glad I ordered 2 batches (they come in a little tablet of 50)! I'm not sure it is heavy weight enough to withstand the US Post Office machines, I may put mine in an envelope. Wanda ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 19:34:17 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12924] NWPC The Northwest Print Council is open for artist membership to artists living in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Alaska, British Columbia, Alberta, and Hawaii. Artists are juried in during February, send to nwpc@pacifier.com for jury information. Anyone else in the world may join as an associate member. For the $50 associate membership you will receive a quarterly newsletter, 10% off any prints you might purchase and also a free print done by one of the artist members. We welcome any and all inquiries and memberships. Best to all, Barbara ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest v14 #1280 *****************************