Baren Digest Thursday, 8 February 2001 Volume 14 : Number 1312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Vollmer/Yamaguchi" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:28:16 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13299] Sunny California charset="iso-8859-1" Just wanted to let you know that my web page has been updated with hanga woodcut class information at http://www.aprilvollmer.com/classes.html I am grateful to west coast printers Bea and Ruth for information to help set up a class March 24 and 25 in Los Angeles! (This is in addition to March 31 and April 1 at Kala Institute in Berkeley.) I hope I will be able to see them when I'm there, it will be a busy few days. It's a lot of traveling, but it will be great to see California again. I will stay with friends in Hollywood, hope to find time to visit the Getty. My parents are in Santa Cruz, so I'll spend some time there, too. ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:06:28 -0600 Subject: [Baren 13300] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1311 At 10:00 PM 02/07/2001 +0900, you wrote: >now i have a need. i want some sleeves to put matted work in. preferably >something a 16x20 matted piece would fit in. anyone know where i can get >such a thing? >Marilynn Try Light Impressions, P.O. Box 22708, Rochester, NY 14692-2708 http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com -- they sell everything you want for archival storage, I think. Great catalog! Their phone is 800-828-6216. Mike Lyon Mike Lyon mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: b.patera@att.net Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Baren 13301] Re: Endangered print and various shows Hi Kat, Congrats! You sure have been busy..... like the piece you have in the traveling show..... would like to see it up close. Barbara P ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:18:32 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13302] Re: Endangered print and various shows While checking the On/Off/Over the Edge page, I noticed that we have other Bareners in that show too - Karla Hackenmiller and Sylvia Taylor. Congratulations! Also, Yugi Hiratsuka - who gave a hanga workshop in Portland (at PNCA) last summer & is a very nice man & excellent teacher, plus an outstanding artist. How exciting! http://www.printalliance.org/exhibits/on_off_over/onoffover.html Wanda ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:37:20 EST Subject: [Baren 13303] Re: clear sleves oh tell me more about this print party thing. there are demos? geez I live here, if the date is not one when I am scheduled out with a boating trip i wnt to come too. Thanks Barbara for the link I will look here in a sec. Marilynn ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Rectangle" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:45:51 0100 Subject: [Baren 13304] RE: Baren Digest v14 #1311 Wanda, thank you; it's cool that you can go see On/Off/Over the Edge. I'm trying to get my parents to check it out this month while it's in Nebraska (they're in South Dakota). I'd like to get the show to come to a gallery here at the University of AZ sometime, but I've been told (by the gallery coordinator here) that I have to wait until May before I can even try to arrange it. I want to get one of the On/Off/Over the Edge brochures so that I can put it in my little, growing album of "art accomplishments"... :) Hee hee. :D > it would be interesting > to have only one subject for an exchange. Like a mountain or a river or a cat > or limit the color to only blue & brown or some such thing like that. I'd be up for that! I think that some of the best work can result from maintaining such specific parameters. Challenge is good! Love <3 & Lint * ! Kat http://www.u.arizona.edu/~katherip/ ------------------------------ From: B E Mason Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:19:37 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13305] Re: clear sleves We will just pick a weekend and set it up and have show and tell and demoes Lots of fun and good food, no real work getting done. Barbara ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:39:54 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13306] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1311 Someone asked about monotype printing without a press. I know of several folks who do this using a rolling pin and some use the aluminum roller usually demonstrated with Createx. Dan Smith sells it. The discussion about Akua color vs/ Green Drop. All I can say is I love the Green Drop. It works well for me and stays wet as long as you want it to. When I printed my snakes it went on for two weeks and the ink never dried out - of course, at the end of the day I wrapped it in mylar and sealed it in a cottage cheese container. But the next morning it was ready to go again. It took about 4 days for the prints to dry in blotters. My bottom line was - does it look as good as an oil based ink and the answer is yes, most people would never know the difference if you didn't tell them. I have not tried Akua and it may be every bit as good, but can't be used for intaglio. Sharri ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13307] More fun than you can shake a stick at..... I almost hate to bring up this question due to the possibility of bickering, but it has been gnawing away at me for sooo long now. I do faces. In an attempt to be totally original, I have been taking all of my own photographs, but I'm getting frustrated. What do ya'll feel about borrowing images found in magazines, newspapers, etc... Not outright copying them, but "manipulating" the image? A good example is this "Endangered Species" exchange. Am I to go out and find an endangered animal, ask it to sit still and draw it? If I download it or swipe it, is it O.K.? Acceptable? Please help me. thanks, dan dew ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:48:41 EST Subject: [Baren 13308] Re: Endangered Species What are the size requirements for the Endangered Species? This is the first time I have been able to print 30 and I hope the size is OK!! Carol Lyons Http://www.rst-art.com/artfulcarol.html ------------------------------ From: "Walters, Stephanie J. (Nevada Color)" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Baren 13309] RE: More fun than you can shake a stick at..... charset="iso-8859-1" In my oh, so humble opinion I think it is okay. Why do people attend art school? To study an learn from artists from the past and present. My favorite teacher of all time, Mick Sheldon, taught an art appreciation class as well as several woodcut classes, and he really showed me how people are influenced by other people and other things they see. Very rarely is there anything that is COMPLETELY original, so I say borrow and learn and express yourself! Isn't that what it is about? ------------------------------ From: "Larry Giacoletti" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:02:30 Subject: [Baren 13310] Re: Endangered Species Medium: woodblock print (hand rubbed or pulled on a press, B&W or colour, any pigments, any paper) * Theme: 'Endangered Species' (literal or figurative). * Paper size: the traditional paper dimension of 'shikishiban': 21 centimeters (vertical) by 19 centimeters (horizontal). This is 8 1/4 inches high, and 7 1/2 inches wide. Note: in previous exchanges the coordinators have had many problems with prints that don't fit the cases, so this time we must emphasize - oversize prints will be trimmed to fit; if trimming is unacceptable to the artist, they must be rejected from the exchange and returned to the maker. No exceptions. * Image size: anything within that sheet (w/margin, or bleed), vertical orientation. Note: in order that the prints in this exchange become a true 'set' for exhibition and display purposes, we are asking this time that all participants make their prints with the paper in a vertical orientation. * Paper type: no restriction * Registration period: One month starting January 1 (or until 30 participants are enrolled) * Work period: Three months starting February 1 * Deadline for finished prints: May 1st, 2001 ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:02:29 -0600 Subject: [Baren 13311] Re: More fun than you can shake a stick at..... 02/07/2001 04:02:17 PM Dan writes: "...is this "Endangered Species" exchange. Am I to go out and find an endangered animal, ask it to sit still and draw it? If I download it or swipe it, is it O.K.? Acceptable?" Dan, to the best of my knowledge, under the United States Wildlife and Conservation Act of 1821, Section 04-01-2001, it is illegal to ASK an endangered animal to sit still and pose for you....read the fine print in the bottom paragraph about cruelty to animals, bad artists, giclees, digital prints and using presses to cause harm.......punishment can be as severe as exclusion from future print exchanges..... However you can go ahead and shoot the animal if you wish........... (with a photo camera , of course!). xanks...Julio ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:07:25 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13312] Re: Endangered Species Carol, I went back to look at the list in case I remembered incorrectly but you are not on the Exchange #9 list. This exchanged closed in early January. There are currently seven names on the wait list (Barbara Hearn withdrew) so I don't see any way for you to join. For information about the exchange go to: http://barenforum.org/exchange/exchange_9/exchange_9.html#messages You might want to talk with Dan Drew about the upcoming Endangered Species exhibit. Do enjoy doing your print though. Can you post it for us to see? Bea Gold ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:15:32 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13313] Re: Endangered Species charset="iso-8859-1" Larry - I take it you are alive and well! I was a little worried because I haven't heard from you. Have you gotten my messages? The others I haven't heard from are: 15. Murilo A. Pereira mpereira@newsite.com.br, 16. Christina Blank chris_lyonette@yahoo.com, 23. Zachary Wentz leowentz@aol.com, 24. nicholas whalen@flash.net, 27. Andy English a.english@virgin.net, , I know Andy English is around, I just got a wonderful Snake from him. How about the rest of you? Any one have a different address - these were returned to me. Help! Bea Gold ------------------------------ From: "Tyrus Clutter" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:01:18 -0700 Subject: [Baren 13314] Re: More fun than you can shake a stick at..... I basically always use my own photographs for my images - mostly because = the poses are quite odd. However, I also have some stock photo books that = give me inspiration at times and have been known to use photos from = magazines as a starting point. Still, the only images that ever look just = like someone else's photos (in my work) are meant to be that way as they = are of famous people like T.S. Eliot, C.S. Lewis or Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I = find nothing wrong with manipulation as it saves time in finding a model. = Nothing beats your own photos though. ><~><~><~><~><~><~><~><~><~>< Prof. Tyrus Clutter Director of Friesen Art Galleries Dept. of Art & Music Northwest Nazarene University 623 Holly St. Nampa, Idaho 83686 TRClutter@NNU.edu (208) 467-8398 ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:50:07 EST Subject: [Baren 13315] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1311 in my opinion akau lolor is wonderful but not as good as oil based ink for some thing i think it is better for others weel you deciede? ------------------------------ From: B E Mason Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 20:43:11 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13316] Re: More fun than you can shake a stick at..... Dan, Just steal the image and make changes. Artists have been doing this since the beginning of time. Once you take it on as yours, it will not look like the original, especially since the medium is different. Barbara Daniel Dew wrote: ------------------------------ From: BBlitstein@netscape.net (Bonnie Blitstein) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:12:57 -0500 Subject: [Baren 13317] Re: More fun than you can shake a stick at..... baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp wrote: > Hmmmmmm stealing the images is not what artists do is it?....using reference material is always what artists seek and need and use...semantics are everything ha, ha but I agree completely. I use images from magazine constantly and from nature books I use the images as a jumping point to something else....You can go to zoo and draw ....I sometimes go to musuem of Natural History...but photographs etc no problemo ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:54:57 EST Subject: [Baren 13318] Re: More fun than you can shake a stick at..... I have so many sketches and watercolors and I use my imagination, I do not need to use other references. But in my opinion if you take it, change it and make it your own it is yours. We all need reference points whatever they may be. I hardly think to use something and alter it would be plagerism or bad art. You would be putting you and your interpertation into it. we all go whatever direction we go. If I were doing an endangered species and wanted to choose an animal I sure would start looking at photos I found in source references and using them as whatever reference I felt they could be, I do not have drawings of them or watercolors either in my portfolio. Hmmm maybe that is one reason I have not choosen to do many of the exchanges, I do not have any knowledge of the subject. Some day, if I ever do an exchange I may be using such a source as you describe and feel fine about it because I would alter it to be mine. You are truly a good artist. I responded to one idea today but I would not promise to join such an exchange but someone suggested an exchange that would be say all prints done in sepia or something like that??? I have a hard time with doing a subject that someone else suggests, sorry. Marilynn ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest v14 #1312 *****************************