Baren Digest Saturday, 3 March 2001 Volume 14 : Number 1341 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:23:29 EST Subject: [Baren 13684] hair spray, etc Garth, I'm not interested in using hair spray if it is as toxic as the other stuff, if you go back and read my original post, I was asking if folks know of any less toxic alternatives to fixative, and that is still my quest! Apparently there are varying opinions on the relative toxicity of hair spray/fixative. After now reading that it yellows the paper, etc I may just have to go ahead & use the nasty stuff outside or something, I'll have to see. The Litho Coal sounds interesting, and I'm sure I will try it, but right now I'm combining a number of different types of charcoal, conte, etc and I do need to use something so these drawings don't become a smudgy mess. I apologize for taking up time w/non-woodblock stuff, so please feel free to email me off list with further discussion of this subject as it is off-topic. I appreciate all the ideas and feedback which have been offered, as always - best wishes all and happy creating! Sarah ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:25:06 EST Subject: [Baren 13685] Re: New York New York! Congratulations, Maria!! Terrific. I'll be in that area on March 9 and hope to see your prints. Carol ------------------------------ From: John and Jan Telfer Date: Fri, 2 Mar 01 23:01:11 -0000 Subject: [Baren 13686] Getting in some Practise for Bootcamp! Watercolour Lesson... Last night I went to Emi Ninosecki's house to get a little more experience in hanga techniques before heading across the world in June to Canada...Emi taught me six years ago in a four day workshop at SummerSchool and so I was a bit rusty!! She reprinted my Exchange #6 "Adam's Apple"...well, I was a bit rusty...oh, what a difference! However, Emi trained in Edmonton, Canada ...70's - 80's so there may be some Bareners who may know her. She is still working in hanga techniques some of her prints 2 feet in size. I am trying to get her to join Baren, but she hasn't a lot of computer contact, but she has seen our Exchanges and our Baren sites and is very interested. Is there anyone in Baren who knew Emi (Ninosecki) in Edmonton? ****** I was thinking of you all in the Seattle, Portland area yesterday as news of your earthquake was reported on our TV news and in the papers...my thoughts are with you all. Jan (Perth, Western Australia) ------------------------------ From: Rhamah@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:43:10 EST Subject: [Baren 13687] Re: Kampala Show, Tyvec, etc. Hi everyone! I am new to the Baren group and its great. Thanks Georga for telling me about this. I am also interrested in the exchange. Angela Rhamah@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:45:03 -0600 Subject: [Baren 13688] Re: hair spray, etc 03/02/2001 12:45:03 PM "...I may just have to go ahead & use the nasty stuff outside or something..." I would venture to say that almost anything that it is used in spray form should be used outside....(water being the exception)...just think for a second about what the stuff is suppose to be used for and the possible ramifications of inhaling those chemicals once dispersed in the air.......in small doses no problem, but with extended use.. even under arm spray is pretty nasty stuff..... Julio ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:04:45 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13689] RE: fixing charset="iso-8859-1" One environmentally friendly suggestion would be to get an old fashioned atomizer. It's a device that looks like a hinged straw of sorts. One leg goes in your liquid, the other is put gently to your lips. You blow and, magically by the laws of physics, the stuff sprays wherever the hinge is pointing. Of course you will need an environmentally friendly and non-toxic liquid to spray. I have heard of these alternatives: - -PVA glue, thinned to a very liquid consistency. The acid free stuff available from http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com works well and it is archival (doesn't taste bad either). It does not yellow. - -Sizing thinned down to very liquid consistency. I use the stuff from Daniel Smith, comes in powdered form. It does not yellow nor change the color of your pastels and, unlike the glue, it is reworkable. - -There used to be available a fixative for spraying with the atomizer but I haven't trucked down to my local supplier lately to see if still available. Help anyone? - -Sugar water, although conservation professionals say this will attract insects, most notably silverfish. I have not used this. Jack? your opinion? Really you are looking for any type of liquid material that will form a film when dry, to hold the paper fibers holding the pastel or charcoal dust. Incidentally if you have a magnifying glass or microscope, there is a fascinating world awaiting inside a pocket of paper holding a treasure of pastel dust. I have also heard of using nothing and coating the inside of the framing glass or plexi with anti-static spray (here we go spraying again), to avoid the particles from being sucked away from your drawings. Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:15:30 -1000 Subject: [Baren 13690] Re: fixing Maria, without doing some research into it, I would not recommend spraying your art with sugar. It just seems like an invitation to critters for dinner, as you suggested. It also could make your paper slightly sticky during times of higher humidity, very effectively adhering dust and spores to your paper. Also, if you do much of this sort of fixing, I would recommend a Dahlia Sprayer as more convenient than the mouth atomizer. It is a nice brass sprayer that you can fill with your own stuff, and pressurize it with a few pumps. Although they are a bit expensive, they are very well made and spray a very fine mist. They can be had from Conservator's Emporium, along with all kinds of interesting things to spray on your art, and tools and materials used by us conservation guys. They can be found at http://www.consemp.com/catalog/index.html Jack R. ------------------------------ From: Lawrence Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 15:53:54 +1100 Subject: [Baren 13691] Re: fixing Hi Maria I was told that all PVA glue is in truth acid free. Does anyone know the truth of this? Seems a shame to spend megabucks on archival PVA if this is the case. Regards Lawrence ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:23:26 EST Subject: [Baren 13692] Re: Kampala Show, Tyvec, etc. angie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so glad youre here this is an awesome lady everyone and a very good artist welcome xoxoxo georga ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 22:52:04 -0800 Subject: [Baren 13693] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1340 Oh you boys. While it is true that some hair sprays may yellow the paper, I have some drawings & pastels that were treated this way 35 years ago and they haven't yellowed, yet. Good old Final Net. Hair spray is relatively non-toxic (read the label), water soluable and does not give most people a headache. And, no fluro-carbons (sp?) - makes your hair gummy, tho. The only good use for it, as far as I'm concerned, is as an art material. :>) Sharri ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 02:59:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 13694] hair spray, etc Excuse me!!?? Did I say I love the smell of hair-spray? Indeed humans can be amazing!! I use hair-spray: 1. It usually costs 3-4 times less for a quantity 4-5 times more than a fixative. 2. As far as yellowing is concerned EVERYTHING yellows eventually. Now, storing your works is another very important factor. Kepp them stored properly and they will yellow a lot later than you have time to see them yellow. Regards, Dimitris End of Baren Digest v14 #1341 *****************************