Baren Digest              Wednesday, 21 March 2001      Volume 14 : Number 1363


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From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:01:54 EST
Subject: [Baren 13961] Re: New rules & regulations for posting to 

Hi Bareners,
This is a new one on me:
 I responded off line about a woodblock technique question  on the forum and 
, though   carefully respecting our rules, and not at all controversial,  I 
received this message:

"This is an autoresponder.   I'll never see your message"
Way below it said :    Precedence: junk.

 This is the first timet this ever happened. Comments?
Carol Lyons

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From: GWohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:47:12 +0000
Subject: [Baren 13962] Re: registration 

 Marilynn, have you tried an el-shaped board to set your boards into. 
 That's what I use and it works very well.  I use removable tape to hold
 the paper onto a pre drawn line.  I tend to print the whole thing at
 once.  In other words I ink up the boards and they are ready to go.  I
 print the first color, flip back the page that's taped, add the second
 board and print that color, flip back, do the third, etc.  That's the
 only way I can get good registration, but it works.  It takes a long
 time to print that way, but my colors register very well.
 
 * * *
 The new rules seem fair, especially the ones about politics (always so
 personal to us) and nationality (I remember some slams against the U.S.
 that kind of hurt since I am a U.S.er.  Personally, I love the diversity
 of the Earth and its people and I, of course, would feel really happy if
 everyone felt the same joy.

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From: Brian Lockyear <brianl@synopsys.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:20:55 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13963] Re: New rules & regulations for posting to 

Hi Carol-

This is probably a case of over filtering.  Because of the massive amounts of
junk email being broadcast these days various sites have installed filtering
software intended to automatically reject mail from sources which are thought
to send junk mail.  But if the filter starts getting too general it starts
rejecting legitimate mail as well.

I don't think there is much you can do about it from your end although you
could post something via the board to the person you were trying to
communicate with.  They may or may not have control over the filter.

What is that latin phrase?  "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  "Who will keep
the keepers themselves?"  (I admit, I looked this up in my dictionary to get
it right :-) )

    - Brian -

Portland, Oregon

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From: Ray Hudson <rhudson@together.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13964] Exchange 8 on its way 

Well, at last the prints for Exchange 8 are in the mail (as of about 2
hours ago) and on their way to the participants.  Dan has kindly offered
to scan them and make them available at Baren.   Thanks to all the
participants!
Ray

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From: Cucamongie@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:18:03 EST
Subject: [Baren 13965] Maria's work on exhibit in NYC 

Hi, I went by the Agora Gallery in New York City to see the 5 or 6(?) pieces
which Maria has on display there, they look great!  Wonderful to see a bunch of
your work "in person", Maria!  The two other artists whose work they put adjacent
to Maria's was interesting and though different stylistically than Maria's,
complemented it well, which is so often not the case in a group show.  As for the
work they had in another room in the space, I'm glad it was in a different room,
that's all I'll say about that!  
anyway, congratulations Maria, your work looked great in the gallery and I hope
you get a lot of wonderful feedback and hopefully some sales too!
best wishes
Sarah

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:04:54 -0700
Subject: [Baren 13966] Re: Spring has sprung! 

Oops, I think I've got something mixed up - this was supposed to go to
baren-after5, and seems to have gotten cross-pollinated somewhere along the way.
I'm very sorry about that.

Wanda

Wanda wrote:
> 
> It is the first day of spring today - and Oregon is going right along with the
> plan. The flowering trees are making little pink clouds of blooms all over the

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:14:32 EST
Subject: [Baren 13967] Re: rules BEMASON 


well when there becomes a problem than make a rule until leave it be.  maybe 
you guys are getting a little heavy with this stuff.  When one person can say 
i do not think you are saying the right thing you are gone that can be very 
bad.  it can destroy the beauty of what you have.  Because when that happens 
people will leave and form a new list wihout rules. 
Guess after thought I changed my course.  When someone tells me , one person 
, that I can't do something, that is part of a group, I wonder why that one 
person has the authority to do such a thing???
The question I would ask is are moderators volunteers there to keep general 
order or are they executives running a ummmmm  what?  company?   
I thought this was artist geting together to chat????
Marilynn


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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:49:13 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13968] RE: exhibit and process charset="iso-8859-1" 

Sarah wrote:
> Hi, I went by the Agora Gallery in New York City to see the 5 or
> 6(?) pieces
> which Maria has on display there, they look great!

Thanks to all who went to see the exhibit. Yes prints do look much different
in person. I tend to chunk ink right in there and also use metallic inks
mixed with the umbers and siennas that are impossible to see on the web. I
wished I could have attended the opening, but a bit pricey from Vegas.

And thanks to Ray for collating Exchange #8. I will happily await my set!

Well folks, Baren-Suji is coming right along and I believe we are in for an
exciting issue. Several of you really stepped up to the plate to help out
and I would like to thank you (you'll know who it was on April 1st) for your
contributions. This really would be an impossible job without the bits and
pieces that the membership contributes.

On another note, I designed my next few creations today in a fit of madness.
I usually make terrible sketches on whatever piece of paper happens to be
laying around. I know usually the woodcut process, especially traditional
woodblock in Japan, requires careful planning and preparation. I sort of
wondered how other members work.
I think about a piece for a long time, but rarely sketch anything in
advanced. I came to this habit because, when drawing, my first few sketches
captured the concept I wanted to portray; later more careful drawings missed
completely. I often scribble some doodles somewhere, end up losing my
reference, and proceed to attack the block, drawing in pencil right on the
wood. Then I go over the main lines with black marker or sumi ink and
begin-a-cuttin' Sometimes the design changes during the process and ink
colors and paper decisions are made as the block comes to life. The title is
last, often after the prints are hanging to dry, although sometimes it pops
up during cutting.
Anyone care to share their ways?

I'm off to see the wizard. Nothing like a road trip in the desert spring.
Any members in Reno Nevada, do come by the convention center for a visit, ya
hear?

Health to all,
Maria

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Maria Arango
Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
http://www.1000woodcuts.com
maria@mariarango.com
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From: Pgiclas@aol.com
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:53:16 EST
Subject: [Baren 13969] Re: New rules & regulations for posting to BarenForum 

In a message dated 3/18/01 11:40:27 PM, Sunnffunn@aol.com writes:

<<  It seems we have had some posts lately 
that come through that say gee patsy it would be nice if we got together for 
lunch, with no relationship to anything most baren members want to hear.  >>

Did I miss an invitation to lunch??  darn.

About the registration, I'm sure most people have their own systems, but what 
works for me is to cut out a hole in a piece of cardboard that just fits the 
block(s) (I usually do reduction or suicide prints).  I tape that to the 
table or press surface.  Lay the paper on top and line up with premarked 
centers lightly penciled on the back of the paper and the edges of the 
cardboard.  Works pretty well.

Patsy

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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:10:18 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13970] Re: Exchange #9 charset="iso-8859-1" 

Dan,  I just went through the list - yours and the Exchange #9 list and I
think there are 8 people who are on both. (including you and me)  Are we
going to send them each two prints or (I'd rather) send one on the #9
exchange and send all the rest a print on yours.  What do you think?  Bea

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:15:12 EST
Subject: [Baren 13971] Re: Spring has sprung! 

I am in Oregon today as well. I spent the day downtown Portland sketching, 
yes it was a beautiful srping day and I celebrated my birthday a day late (it 
was the 19th).   It was amazing,  I did a ton of gesture pieces of people 
from all over downtown.  I am hoping to use this work on a large print piece 
that is like a collage that will incorporate many images and a center point 
about the city or maybe just one that is personal to me. I sat in pioneer 
courthouse square and sketched early on and looked at the shapes from the 
coffee house.  I felt just the linear shapes might enclose a collaged piece 
of all the people.  It was so amazing there were bums in the park blocks 
going through the trash and music in the square.  there are women dressed to 
shop in the Nordstroms or the shops in courthouse square, business people and 
children that are homeless.  Today i got really hot, drawing, when it was 
late and I sat and did gesture drawings of people just standing and waiting 
for the bus. 

Me???,  I am scared of the rules and I am scared to do an exchange.  Will 
they accept me?  Or will I be told I do not understand and be put somewhere 
they choose?  Honestly I thought I would do the next exchange for certain, 
but now I am scared.  I am afraid  the axe will come down on me.  I fear the 
freedom to do what I am and what  I feel and what I know.  I do not want to 
be part of something that is not free.

Let me share about me : I have a BA: Fine Arts: Painting.  I spent 10 years 
every Friday drawing the figure in watercolor (after getting the degree),  I 
have taken 2 1/2 years of college level printmaking classes oh and 3 years of 
calligraphy  ooops what a mess, it was ok but  um, and I have done many 
volunteer things for my community, arts related, and I have shown in my city 
and at the Washington coast, where I have a ummm  3rd home or is that one the 
5th  who cares???????    lol.   I have had several gallery affiliations.  At 
present I have 18 framed pieces in Artists Gallery of Seattle, which is in 
the down town area and near their large stadium as well as near Dan Smith and 
many other galleries.  I do not feel my background is one that lends to 
stupidity nor do I feel the need for censorship of my content or my artistic 
statements.  I do understand the arts pretty well.
Marilynn
Portland Oregon &
Nahcotta Washington


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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:20:52 EST
Subject: [Baren 13972] Re: Spring has sprung! 


my apologies i thought my response was to baren after 5.  i guess you can 
throw me off for excessive mail and for out of topic talk.  i wil leave 
quietly.  Many pardons, noa I fear posting anytihg,  I am so sorry to offend.
marilynn

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From: B E Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:57:42 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13973] Re: Exchange #9 

Well, you could do two different prints, this is what Wanda and I 
have decided to do.....more work.
Barbara

Bea Gold wrote:

> Dan,  I just went through the list - yours and the Exchange #9 list and I
> think there are 8 people who are on both. (including you and me)  Are we
> going to send them each two prints or (I'd rather) send one on the #9
> exchange and send all the rest a print on yours.  What do you think?  Bea



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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:44:24 -0800
Subject: [Baren 13974] Re: Exchange #9 charset="iso-8859-1" 

That's another idea - I just thought we'd do the same print but if not then
it is a separate exchange and you need twenty for it. Gotta think.  Bea
- -----Original Message-----
From: B E Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp <baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp>
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: [Baren 13973] Re: Exchange #9

>Well, you could do two different prints, this is what Wanda and I
>have decided to do.....more work.
>Barbara
>
>Bea Gold wrote:
>
>> Dan,  I just went through the list - yours and the Exchange #9 list and I
>> think there are 8 people who are on both. (including you and me)  Are we
>> going to send them each two prints or (I'd rather) send one on the #9
>> exchange and send all the rest a print on yours.  What do you think?  Bea
>
>
>


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From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:31:26 -0500
Subject: [Baren 13975] Re: Exchange #9 

Gosh, good question.  I had assumed everyone would recieve a print like a
normal exchnage.  So, some will actually get two prints (i.e. duplicates)
and some will get two prints that are different.
I would say that the choice is up to you.  You can do a different print or
not.  Does this help?

dan dew

P.S.  I'm doing one print for the Salon and another for Baren.

> From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
> Reply-To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:10:18 -0800
> To: <baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp>
> Subject: [Baren 13970] Re: Exchange #9
> 
> Dan,  I just went through the list - yours and the Exchange #9 list and I
> think there are 8 people who are on both. (including you and me)  Are we
> going to send them each two prints or (I'd rather) send one on the #9
> exchange and send all the rest a print on yours.  What do you think?  Bea
> 


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