Baren Digest                Thursday, 3 May 2001        Volume 15 : Number 1409


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From: judy mensch <mensch.interport@rcn.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:16:02 -0400
Subject: [Baren 14331] Re: Baren Digest v15 #1407 

Le Green:  Workshops will be going on at Manhattan Graphics Center to
the end of July.  If you want more info, I'll get our web site address
for you.  Also, you can call MGC at 212.219.8783 and ask for a brochure
to be sent to you.  I know we have a Japanese woodblock course going on
this summer, but I don't know when it starts.  The teacher is a great
woodblock printer and wonderful person. He's printed for some excellent
artists with big reputations. If you have any questions about MGC I'd be
happy to answer them for you.  It would be nice to see you there.  Judy
Mensch

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From: GWohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:39:55 -0400
Subject: [Baren 14332] Re: Baren Digest v15 #1408 

One thing I notice when carving the boards where the images have been
transferred onto the board with Graphic Chemical water soluble ink and
allowed to dry is that, though the ink transferred beautifully,  the
does seem to come off on my hand as I carve.  

Gayle

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From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:07:39 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14333] Re: prints prints prints 

In a message dated 05/01/2001 8:57:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
maria@mariarango.com writes:


>
maria
   your woodcuts are amazing!!!!   the embossment showed up beautifully
georga


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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:03:22 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14334] Re: appropriation of imagery 

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craft often appropriates images.  I had a god mother who was a tole painter 
and I grew up with this stuff all over her home.  it was on everyting and the 
designs were from a long tradition.  
Printmaking is heavy in the need to know how to do things right and often can 
be used with great skill and craft.  But remember to use it like the tole 
painter, use it in its tradition not outsied of it.  
You can learn by copying masters works, i did in school.  But they were never 
for sale.
My at comes from inside me, that to me is the difference.   
But do not turn your back on the greast skill of our ancestors and the grand 
use of craft.
Marilynn


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From: FurryPressII@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:43:23 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14335] Re: appropriation of imagery 

It one thing to do it fraudulently but the attitudes were different in the 
past.  I will use Durers images in my work as a part of it. I don't claim 
them as mine but they are part of printmaking history and are thus part of my 
cultural dialogue that I am trying to start.
I am using ideas from the formschinder woodcutters introducing them into my 
work.
Sort of like going back into the art mines I don't work in a vacuum only a 
real outsider artist can say they were not influenced by other artists'.  The 
whole idea of a dialectical look at art was my masters thesis.  One of the 
questions I want to ask what is or was the role of reproduction in 
printmaking?  This was a key issue with printmaking before 1900. When you 
study the past you have to deal with it unless you want to just dismiss whole 
schools of art and the media they worked in. I can't forget that wood cuts 
and woodengraveing where both part of commercial printing.  When I am told 
that I can't learn the skills of these craftsman today I have to say yes I 
can.  Someone must keep them alive either as Japans wood cuts or 
woodengravings.  The next step is to take the skill into the art you make.

action, reaction, & synthesis

John

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From: "Gillyin Gatto" <gillying@Maineline.net>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:36:00 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14336] positive appropriation/Alans clarifications/oil ink thinners 

greetings to  BAREN  woodcutters of the world        i really like what 
James Mundie had to say about the positive influence of looking at others
work  and appropriating with integr ity /making something of our own    out
of the influence of traditonal designs      i have been seriously influenced
by HAIDA art also    and have loved it for many years   however i'll always
be a MAINE artist   doing maine eagles-- under the influence of    HAIDA and
other  native and non-native art...

    since Alan has brought the discussion BACK on line    i will keep it
here:  my parents were married for 42 years until death did them part  -that
doesnt mean that my father was a particularly sensitive man -or ever "raised
his consciousness" beyond screaming obcenities and racial slurs at the
television.........the flippant tone of Alan's introductory comment "dear
Wo"  makes me feel uneasy  and his absolute and total denial of
racism,sexism or ethnicism is often a good sign that it exists--if only in
an ignorance of modern day    process,ethics and "consciousness raising" ...
thank you Alan for your clarifications  ,     i dont know why   i am left
feeling that a sort of sideways slur at the  practice of copying the masters
has been made       perhaps it is my  OWN  bias  against males( or females)
who seem to 'Know it all " when no one person does...
at any rate,  i feel the lack of a joyful spirit of good will in the
comments  -i guess its just "my stuff" ....
i wish you well in your new position in Ottawa,Alan

       now back to the "how of woodcuts"   --i am curious about what all
the oil based printers are using in  thinning and blending  ink ?   i am
using mostly Van Son off set inks,  which are already thinned and ready to
use for the most part   tho  my white is  Graphic Chemical "block print ink"
and is alot thicker    when i try to blend it with my Van Son ink
everything gets all  glaumey  ( that s a maine word meaning  too... ,
well...  , glaumey)     since i use alot of this thick white  in attempting
to mix up my colors    i'm looking for the best thing for blending       is
there (hopefully) a "gel" type thinner i dont know about,  that's wonderful?
right now i'm using paint thinner--which may be a good example of how one
can be ignorant  of new things, even after having been a woodcut printmaker
for thirty years......gillyin-  machias maine usa

             

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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14337] books, books & more books 

Hello everyone,

I am sorting out my many many woodcut books - I think I will have to part with
some of them as I'm running out of space. I will let you guys know first when I
decide what to keep & what to part with!

I would like some titles of books about Hasui to keep an eye out for. I
absolutely *love* Hasui prints. And I have no books about him! If I can ever do
Hanga even 1/4 as well as him, I will die happy!

I am house cleaning - I guess spring really is here!

Have a good day everyone. And for all of the people having surgery, recovering
from surgery and having their house de-termited (is that a word?) may tomorrow be
a better day!

Wanda

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:01:17 -1000
Subject: [Baren 14338] Re: books, books & more books 

I also admire Hasui's work very much. Unfortunately, there is not too much published
about him, and no books at all about him in English. In fact, the only book that I
know of that is just about his work (other than some small exhibition catalogs) is
"Kawase Hasui mokuhanga sh¯u," written by Hasui Kawase, and published (in Japanese)
in 1979. It is a beautiful book with near full sized reproductions of every one of
his prints. It is also out of print, and of course, very expensive if you can even
find one.
   The best source that I have found for hard to find books on Japanese prints is at
http://www.nvva.nl/hotei/index.htm.
They do not currently have any books on Hasui listed, but I have found the owner
very helpful in locating books. Even though they are in Holland, the owner speaks
English. It might be worth a call.

Jack

Wanda wrote:

>
>
> I would like some titles of books about Hasui to keep an eye out for. I
> absolutely *love* Hasui prints. And I have no books about him!


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From: LuedtkeStudio@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:27:09 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14339] Re: books, books & more books 

Jack mentioned Hasui also, in response to Wanda.   For any other Hasui fans 
looking for material, keep an eye on E-Bay, they occasionally have a few 
books on Hasui, either one printed in Japan with a few of his works, or the 
Shogun catalog of a few years back that now goes for about $50-75 on E-Bay.   
  The Hasui Mokuhangashu book that Jack mentioned appeared on E-Bay once a 
year or so ago, and I believe sold for about $2,600 USD.   It was not written 
by Hasui however, but by Muneshige Narazaki, and was published by Tokyo 
Mainichi.   

Jack mentioned Hotei Books as a possible source, and I'd like to add that 
they intend to publish their own book on Hasui in January, I believe, which 
is supposed to be fairly comprehensive.  I don't know how large the plates 
will be, but the book is slated for the $200-$300 range I think.   

Gary

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From: "bemason" <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:14:56 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14340] Re: books, books & more books 

> Jack mentioned Hotei Books as a possible source, and I'd like to add that
> they intend to publish their own book on Hasui in January, I believe,
which
> is supposed to be fairly comprehensive.  I don't know how large the plates
> will be, but the book is slated for the $200-$300 range I think.
>
> Gary

Where do you get this good information...I would love to have a book like
this, can we get on the waiting list for prepublication sales? Who do we
contact? I think it would be better to write than to phone, unless it is in
the US.
Thanks in advance for info,
Barbara



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From: "Murilo Pereira" <muriloap@newsite.com.br>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:28:30 -0300
Subject: [Baren 14341] Re: Wanda: books, books and books charset="iso-8859-1" 

Hi, Wanda, there's something I want to tell you and tell every barener here:
it you don't know waht to do with the books you want no more, send them to
me that I 'll be very pleased. Books and everything else you - nice people -
couldn't keep no longer, please send everything to me that I 'll enjoy it
very much, OK? prints books, prints materials, old tools,  fine and cheap
american  journal paper and everuthing else you all can give away please
think in this old third world workman named Murilo, and send them  right
here to me that I w ill be enchanted. You know my address, if you don't,
just ask for it. Thanks, Best wishes. Murilo, florianópolis.

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From: "bemason" <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14342] ink thinners 



Gillyin,
Use some sets well in your ink, perhaps. I use litho ink and that is what I
use. You could try litho ink with it, perhaps.  I suspect that your white is
a different base than the rubber based vanson ink and will never really work
well with it. Why don't you send an email to Nik Semenoff in Saskatchewan?
His web site is http://duke.usask.ca/~semenoff/  get his email address from
it and ask him. I know he uses this vanson ink so he will certainly know and
also know the least toxic stuff to use. He is big on less toxic. He is very
nice and will eventually answer your email. I think he gets a lot of mail.
Good luck,
Barbara



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From: David Bull <davebull@woodblock.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:36:20 +0900
Subject: [Baren 14343] Re: Upcoming Hasui book 

Barbara wrote:
> > ... I'd like to add that they intend to publish their own 
> > book on Hasui in January,
> Where do you get this good information...I would love to have a book like
> this, can we get on the waiting list for prepublication sales? Who do we
> contact?

Barbara,
Here is a note I got a while back from Chris at Hotei Books:

> To make sure of getting your copy of Hasui at the onset (we are thinking
> of setting a pre-publication price), please send an e-mail to my publishing
> company and subscribe to the Newsletter.
> <ukiyoe@xs4all.nl>

Dave


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From: LuedtkeStudio@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:11:57 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14344] Re: books, books & more books 

Barb wrote,

"Where do you get this good information...I would love to have a book like
this, can we get on the waiting list for prepublication sales? Who do we
contact? I think it would be better to write than to phone, unless it is in
the US."

Do a search for Hotei Publishing in the Netherlands.  Sorry I don't have 
their url at hand.  Once you get their catalog of books for sale, go to their 
inquiry box or wherever you can write them a note, and request that you be 
put on their waiting list for the Hasui book they are publishing in January.  
 They will acknowledge your request.   Then have patience until January!

Gary


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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14345] Barbara's show! 

If you go to http://barenforum.org & go to the "show & tell" section you will see
some pix of Barbara Mason & some of her work. Hope you sell, sell, sell Barbara!
Oh, that is her sis Kathy's reflection in the glass......tricky photo huh? As you
can tell, we were having a lot of fun.

Wanda

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From: "Deborah Steytler" <dsteytler@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 04:04:19 
Subject: [Baren 14346] Re: Baren Digest v15 #1408 

<html><DIV>
<P><BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: GWohlken <BLUEMAN@PANTEK.COM>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Baren 14332] Re: Baren Digest v15 #1408 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:39:55 -0400 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;One thing I notice when carving the boards where the images have been 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;transferred onto the board with Graphic Chemical water soluble ink and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;allowed to dry is that, though the ink transferred beautifully, the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;does seem to come off on my hand as I carve. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Gayle 
<DIV>Hi Gayle, this is Deb writing.&nbsp; How about a very thinned out coating of shellac, not varnish but alchohol based shellac?&nbsp; That should seal up the transferred image.&nbsp; If the shellac is thin enough it will penetrate&nbsp; the wood grain, support the grain while cutting and keep your hands cleaner.&nbsp; I like how the ink rolls on when the block has been shellacked.&nbsp; Be sure and thin it--about 1/2 and 1/2 fresh shellac.&nbsp; If it is old, it may not dry properly.</DIV>
<DIV>Let me know.</DIV>
<DIV>More etchings afoot.</DIV>

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:45:22 -1000
Subject: [Baren 14347] Re: books, books & more books 

Thanks, Gary, for the updated information on Hasui. Sorry I had the author
wrong, that was how they had it listed in the Univ. of Hawaii library catalog. I
thought it sounded wrong. Go figure.
   Also, The url for Hotei is the one I put in my earlier posting. I should have
identified it. Again, it is http://www.nvva.nl/hotei/index.htm.

Jack


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