Baren Digest Saturday, 2 June 2001 Volume 15 : Number 1441 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Hudson Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Baren 14655] Re: The Floating and the Fixed Thanks, April, for the summary of Timon Screech's lecture. I'm always astounded how knowing more about something enhances what I see in a work. Thanks again. Ray Hudson > ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Baren 14656] Re: The Floating and the Fixed charset="iso-8859-1" Learning a little moku hanga, thanks to April Volmer and a little Shui-Yin, thanks to Ray Hudson has made woodblock printing a wonderful and different exploration for me. There is so much to learn and so much to get pleasure from, that I wish everyone would become interested in extending their sphere of printmaking to include these ancient methods. Waterbase printing is very different than oil and although I enjoy the mix, I miss all the discussions about what I call the "mystique of hanga". I loved April and Maria's ode to glorious paper. Don't let hanga slip to the background. We are a learning group - let's keep learning. Bea - -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hudson >Thanks, April, for the summary of Timon Screech's lecture. I'm always >astounded how knowing more about something enhances what I see in a work. >Thanks again. >Ray Hudson ------------------------------ From: "Gillyin Gatto" Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:54:59 -0700 Subject: [Baren 14657] baren s worth and purpose/gospel theme show hello bareners sometimes the discussions can change so fast it can boggle the mind ! BRAVO Maria for your right on words... but methinks you maybe took Julio's virtual words too much to heart? i really did not get the impression from Julio that change and split ups were immanent -seemed just to be remarking on his impressions of the group... as an oily expressionist living alone in the wood BAREN has been a literal lifeline for me jump starting my energy concerning woodcuts a ring of artists talking about cutting and printing wood why does it matter so much how we each print it ? for me the heart of the matter is carving a block of wood - thats what each of us do in common and hey if its lino? i really dont care about that either its still carving we all get to learn it all if we want to- preference for printing methods is like sexual preference DE GUSTIBUS NONDISPUTANDEM EST- -"concerning taste-we do not dispute" the point to me is the communication and sharing the potential for which is unlimited ......... i respect HANGA as a n ancient medium that i dont believe i have the personality for but that doesnt mean i dont learn a tremendous amount by listening in on hanga discussions and going to all the websites that Dave and members point out studying in the encyclopedia and using ideas i get from looking at hanga The Baren is like a school i can go to anytime i have the time to learn to share to study i'm hoping members continue to enjoy each others diversity ...and continue to expand the types of exchanging we do- RE -the' christianity' discussion : i am a good example of an artist who has definetly been influenced by christianity (raised catholic) but do not belong to a church however the gospels dont offend me everything is always open to interpretation i plan to use the place in a gospel where it says "jesus gave the healing power to his desciples" if i can find it again - been reading my fathers old army aircore missile and pondering the gospels in light of other perspectives such as the occult or psychic and such as REIKE my print will be intending to show Jesus giving the desciples a REIKE attunement there are lots of ways to look at this stufff ! again it did not seem to me that Greg was in any way being didactic about anyone needing to BE or BELIEVE IN christianity ? but simply using it as a common theme some day i would like to organize a similar collaboration using the DAUGHTERS OF COPPER WOMAN - which is much closer to being my spiritual preference right now i dont see any reason not to participate in the christ gospels themed collaboration it sounds like a lot of fun and a chance to actualize something i had been thinking about may we never underestimate our power to inspire and stimulate each others growth as artist s all the while retaining our differences and our similarities and thanks to Garth for forwarding the voting email and giving me a kick in the butt its hard not to fall asleep when one is supposed to be resting Gillyin machias maine usa ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14658] Re: oil and water after all 06/01/2001 06:08:05 PM Dear Maria and others........ I don't think I spoke of division, turning back the clock or excluding anyone or any printmaking form from Baren...I think highly positive (and said so ) of everything that has transpired with Baren in the last few years. My main point was that for those that want moku-hanga (or for that matter any other specialized technique) you must do your own drum-beating, share and promote your own work. When I talk of the exhibits I talk of both the oily & the water people....both joined by a common ground which is woodblock. One could not exist w/o the other. Coming from one who does prints in both oil & water ( and owns a huge Vandercook press!).....I have no reservations when discussing the prints and pointing out the difference in techniques and the wonderful common threads found in both worlds... Baren is for ALL woodblock printmakers, has always been....the vitality that members like Maria, April, Sarah, David, Horacio, Dan and many others bring to the group can not be measured or divided into water vs oil.......it is the common love for woodblock printmaking that brings and keeps us together. I hope that never stops. Julio ------------------------------ From: "Daniel L. Dew" Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 19:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Baren 14659] Something I'm probably going to regret I know, I know, but the opportunity just intrigues me so...... To all who have responded to Greg's post about a collabarative idea: If anyone would like to see this expand into an exchange, I will host it. Contact me off list, Greg, you to if you want. If the idea has enough potential, we'll boogey into another private exchange. da "probably crazy" dew Oh yeah, my show is all hung and waiting for the grand opening tomorrow. The butterflies are so huge in my stomach, oy, I think I'll head over to the Baren Bar for a quick one. ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 19:22:54 EDT Subject: [Baren 14660] Paper, etc Jerelee, Stonehenge paper might work well for your bookmarks, it's quite heavy. You might have to press kind of hard in the printing though! As for Maria's comment "There is an energy and vitality in the oil based ink and the European approach to printmaking (e.g. German expressionism) that is, for me, completely missing in moku hanga." - I have to respectfully but completely DISAGREE with this statement!!! The energy and vitality in a print has more to do with the artist than the technique. Obviously the imagery used in modern hanga does not have to be "tight-looking" with all closed lines, etc. like the orginal Japanese prints, you can cut the wood in any style you choose! Obviously oil based prints have a different inherent look to them, but as for energy and vitality, that can be achieved in any medium ! just my 2 cents Sarah ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 20:20:46 EDT Subject: [Baren 14661] Re: The Floating and the Fixed Julio I came to this forum to learn about woodblock. I had done a linoblock that I thought would have been very interesting had it been in wood and thought , well this place can help me learn. i have learned. the biggest thing, I think, I have learned besides try it, is, that i need individual lessons, a workshop. so before I try hanga and such I will try to take a workshop. I am new to woodblock and only been a printmaker for say 3-4 years, but I am not a novice in the arts. give us time and yes, you guys who have all that knowledge please share it. I am in the process of running my first woodblock plate. I got the acid free paper and inked up and off I go. it may not be the finest in this group, but it is my first. I am genuinely proud of it. And i decided to share number 1 with the baren for my exchange piece and not fuss over it. Many of you who have helped me to learn and given me advice on wood and on cleanup to mention just a little. You are such a knowledgeable and strongly cohesive group of artists with unimagineable talents that I am personally amazed. I only hope I can compare to all this talent. No this is not a hanga print. But i come from a strong water media background, so I am ready to learn. AND I am proud to even be able to take part in a Baren exchange. This group is outstanding . Oh I am sorry I post too often but the end of next week I will be gone again for a week or so and a little silence. Marilynn ------------------------------ From: Akemi Ohira Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:27:23 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14662] Re: hanga question on 6/1/01 4:26 PM, Alan Basist at abasist@buncombe.main.nc.us wrote: > I am making bookmarks using the japanese woodblock method and need an > approriate paper that will be stiff enough to use as a bookmark. Does anyone > have any suggestions? Jerelee hi Jerelee, My suggestion to you is to print on whatever the paper you chose and laminate it with matte medium (diluted with water). Then you don't have to worry about getting the image damaged... (laminating prints is very big here, at the University of Virginia.) Hopefully, this would be a help. Let me know if you need any technical help. kemi ------------------------------ From: "Alan Basist" Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:14:08 -0500 Subject: [Baren 14663] Re: hanga question charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Kemi, Thanks for the suggestion of laminating my paper. What do you mean by matte medium(diluted by water)?? Jerelee - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Akemi Ohira" To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: [Baren 14662] Re: hanga question > on 6/1/01 4:26 PM, Alan Basist at abasist@buncombe.main.nc.us wrote: > > > I am making bookmarks using the japanese woodblock method and need an > > approriate paper that will be stiff enough to use as a bookmark. Does anyone > > have any suggestions? Jerelee > > > hi Jerelee, > > My suggestion to you is to print on whatever the paper you chose and > laminate it with matte medium (diluted with water). > Then you don't have to worry about getting the image damaged... > > (laminating prints is very big here, at the University of Virginia.) > > Hopefully, this would be a help. > Let me know if you need any technical help. > kemi ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 00:43:30 EDT Subject: [Baren 14664] Re: a century of american woodcuts darrell thanks for sharing this the prints are wonderful who knows maybe someday people will be showing our prints in shows :-) georga ------------------------------ From: Greg Carter Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 08:20:31 -0400 Subject: [Baren 14665] Re: oil and water after all Dear Friends (I feel I can say this and this is why Baren is great) Just a few weeks ago I had the opportunity to have my first meet and greet with a fellow Baren member when Carol Lyons was visiting Savannah. It was an enriching experience not because we had the same opinions and made the same art but because our work and background were so different. Except for Baren, we probably never would of met and the enjoyable discussion we had would not of taken place. I guess what I am saying is that even though the postings have changed, the core purpose of bringing folks together to exchange ideas and art is alive and well. I did join to learn more about Hanga(which is still on my list of things I still need to learn) but Baren is more than individual postings but the sum of its different parts. Though the discussion has broadened, it is up to the hanga artists to keep that discussion going and continue to enrich Baren with information that you can really find no were else. Greg Carter ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V15 #1441 *****************************