Baren Digest                Sunday, 24 June 2001        Volume 15 : Number 1469

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From: "Bill H Ritchie Jr" <ritchie@seanet.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 06:36:02 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14945] DVD 'Zine charset="iso-8859-1" 

Thanks, everyone who replied to my DVD question.

Today I'm doing a double-demo at Daniel Smith Inc in Bellevue, WA, so I'm
heading into the sunrise. (It's east).

Before I go, I want you all to know my goal:

I'll cut and print some wood, then I'll zap it to:

<http://www.artsport.com/mydemo.html>

In about an hour! Wish me good connections, folks.

Meanwhile, it's on my mind to propose a kind of virtual university for
teaching/learning, research and practice of multimedia arts, based on the
ancestral arts, crafts and design of all print making herstories and
histories. It would be tuition-free--the first instance of a free art
education on-line resource (but obviously owing to the success of baren in
its already doing it.)

I love the way baren works, in all senses of the expression. Since the DVD
and CD/ROM before it were copied from the size and shape of the baren, it
seems fitting that I consider the DVD as a publishing medium.

One person asked for the loan of a DVD example, but for an iMac. I think
what I have here is limited to PC/playable, but that's because it's a cheap
one, based on MS Windows. A little research at www.dazzle.com would clear
that up.

I'd offer to send everyone a free DVD, but somehow I think I might regret
paying the shipping and handling--even though the USPS makes it pretty low
cost.

On the other hand, I don't want to shirk my duty to all the peace-loving,
print loving people out there in baren-land who want to live and let live
among the practitioners of these arts, crafts and design systems based on
printing.

What to do? I dunno. More ideas are welcome.

BTW, I can send a link to a 2-minute sample from one of my DVDs when I
locate it again--it's on the Webcast Theater site, buried amidst other
peoples' stuff under ANNOUNCEMENTS if I remember right.

Now I'm off to KINKO's for the cover of yesterday's successful test:
Kurosaki Prints Again (a remake of a 1980 videotape) to show the group at
Daniel Smith today (on a notebook PC).

That cover, BTW, is also on-line as a PDF file at

<http://www.artsport.com/lpdkur01.pdf

Thanks, again!



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From: "kate courchaine" <katecourchaine@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:28:59 
Subject: [Baren 14946] Re: salon des refuse' 

I received my ÔSalon De RefuseÔ prints - good news is they are a great bunch 
of prints.  The bad news is they were damaged in shipping.  The thin 
priority mail envelope, which they were shipped in had been folded 
completely over creasing the prints inside.  I wish that the heavy reusable 
double corrugated print box that I had provided had been used, then this 
would not have been possible.  Apparently, it was not large enough to 
accommodate DimitrisÕs over size print.  I was so disappointed about the 
prints at first I thought they were all damaged, then finally brought myself 
to give them a inspection.

Some turned out to have escaped unscathed!

Damaged are; Jeanne Norman Chase, Megan Dew, Bea Gold, Dimitris 
Grammatikopulos, and Barbara PateraÕs.

Prints that are creased but look like they may possibly press out are; Kris 
Alder, Dan Dew, Sharen Linder, Wanda Robertson, Frank Trueba (frogs).

Would any of you printmakers from the list of prints that were damaged would 
be willing to swap a creased one for an uncreased one, (not a very good 
trade I know) or what do people in the exchange group think about me 
swapping the damaged prints with the extra set of prints we produced?  I 
would pay postageÉ?  Also any body out there with special tricks for 
uncreasing prints?

Dimitris, your print is very nice, but next exchange can you PLEASE Ð PLEASE 
Ð PLEASE make your print the right size for the print exchange 
specifications?!!!

Kate Courchaine

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From: "bemason" <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14947] dinner and fun in Portland 

Quick report on dinner, we had a great time and ate a lot of food and talked
about prints and looked at prints for hours. A great time and Jan Telfer was
a delight, I hated to see her leave this afternoon. We could get into a lot
of trouble together, we have similar weaknesses and interests. Maybe a good
thing we are so far apart! Jan is on her way to  San Francisco to visit
Marco Flavio  and Jean Eger-Womack  and then on home to Perth, AU at the
bottom of the world. I was counting to Jan how many bareners, past and
present listees, I had met personally and the list is now 17, this must be a
record of some kind!!!!! What a joy it has been.
Best to all,
Barbara Mason

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From: "bemason" <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 19:36:14 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14948] Flatten  your prints 

Kate,
Most paper can be flattened pretty easily, but it does take work. Depending
on the ink and paper, you usually spray the back of the print lightly with
water, place the print on a blotter, lay another blotter on top and keep
sandwiching prints until you have a stack of them. Then weight the stack
down with a board and a heavy object, I use books.

Change the blotters after 30 minutes and weight again at least overnight.
When printing on damp paper this is also the way you make sure the prints
are flat. Changing the  blotters is critical to keep the prints drying flat
and to inhibit them being so wet they mold in the blotters. Check them daily
to make sure they do not need to be changed again. When the prints are dry
they should be flat and smooth.

Different papers require more water, usually the heavier the paper the more
water needed for spraying.
Best to all,
Barbara



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From: FurryPressII@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:24:39 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14949] Re: What about DVD? 

8 tracks anyone?

The last thing i want is my congressmen any were near my art? rofl lmao &lol.

copyright infigement might be the only legel defence on art approation  and 
we are taking about cd burners.....   hummmmmmmmmm    i would say a bit of a 
condriction. 

intellucatral property right apply to the big fish as well as the spawn.

John of the furry press


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From: FurryPressII@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:33:22 EDT
Subject: [Baren 14950] Re: Flatten  your prints 

if it oil based ink you can soak um and tape um to a piece of plywood with 
watergum tape and the creases and fold should come out from the damaged prints

john of the furry press

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From: slinder@mediaone.net
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Baren 14951] dinner and fun in Chicago 

Quick report from Chicago!  On an evening of incredibly heavy
traffic, we finally assembled at Pegasus. Ten of us enjoyed
meeting one another and dining on excellent Greek food!  Then we
drove to the historic mansion that houses Woman Made Gallery
<http://www.womanmade.org/keith.html>  Meeting Sarah there was
great, and her prints were wonderful!  The scale of some of them
surprised us...they're really large!  ...on the computer screen
prints all look about the same size!  

Some of us met again this morning to see the second Skokie Baren
Show! (The Skokie exhibit was perfect--as usual!  Great job,
Julio!) --and we talked, and had a wonderful show and tell!  We
learned a lot seeing John Center's incredible books! What
impressive carving and printing!  Julio brought some lovely old
Japanese prints.  

Gayle and Jim, Sue and Lori, Dean and Susan from Graphic, John,
Julio, Sarah, Don and I enjoyed meeting one another!  Getting
together like this is great!

Sharen

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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:37:58 -0500
Subject: [Baren 14952] Re: more ebay .... 06/23/2001 10:37:50 PM 

Here's some more stuff I found on ebay..(yes, as those bareners that met me
this weekend in Chicago can attest, I do have a life outside of printmaking
and this internet stuff!)......check the second to the last
sentence...perhaps more misinformation ?

"....This is a scene of water in the moonlight with a pair of rocks jutting
out of the water , joined by a rope bridge, with a torii gate at the top of
the larger rock, perhaps a Shinto shrine off the Kyoto coast? Seems to be
harder to find Japanese woodblock prints depicting outdoor senes or
landscapes than other subjects. In the original glazed frame, probably
framed in the 1920's. The visible portion of the print measurs approx. 7 by
9 & 1/2 inches, which would make it chuban sized. I am selling this print
as is, exactly in the estate condition as I bought it. I have not removed
it from the frame, so I can't say whether there are any printer's marks on
the edges.The winning bidder gets the privilege of removing it from the
frame. However I have examined it through the glass with a lighted loupe
and can assure you it is a genuine woodblock impression, and not a "print".
I try to describe my auction items accurately, but if you have any
questions, please feel free to email me. .."

Now I am confused !

Julio


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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon@mlyon.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:40:22 -0500
Subject: [Baren 14953] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1468 

At 10:00 PM 06/23/2001 +0900, Bill Ritchie wrote:
>I would like to know how many Bareners are equipped to play a DVD disc on
>their computers?

Mike Lyon can...
mikelyon@mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon@mlyon.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Baren 14954] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1468 

At 10:00 PM 06/23/2001 +0900, marilynn wrote:
>In other countries there may be laws to define the differences and perhaps we
>should be pushing for this, hard.

Instead, let's push hard to simplify our lives, legislate less, produce 
more.  We have more than enough d#@$ laws as it is!

Mike
mikelyon@mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com

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From: "Bill H Ritchie Jr" <ritchie@seanet.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:14:05 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14955] Correction charset="iso-8859-1" 

I made an error when I did my Bellevue demo, I had not anticipated that the
notebook PC I had did not "know" the password for the site I use for these.

So I used an alternate site. If anyone is interested, the demo result I sent
to the Web (part of my dog-and-pony act) is at:

http://www.seanet.com/~ritchie/mydemo.html

There was a young woman there--8-year old Stephanie--who took away this
quick print.

The demo worked! I think I got across the essential of Japanese-style
woodcut to a small group, and in the last ten minutes, took a digital
snapshot, converted the image to .GIF, and had it on the Web.

Fun and games!


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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:52:33 -0700
Subject: [Baren 14956] Re: salon des refuse' & dinner 

kate courchaine wrote:
> 
> I received my ÔSalon De RefuseÔ prints - good news is they are a great bunch
> of prints.  The bad news is they were damaged in shipping.  The thin
> priority mail envelope, which they were shipped in had been folded
<snip> 

Kate, this is so sad - please give us your snail mail address & I am sure that
most of us "refusees" will send another print to you. 

My package of prints came through fine & dandy and I have peered at them at least
3 times in the last week. They are all delightful prints - I would like to thank
everyone who participated and especially Dan for collating the whole thing & a
special thank you to Meaghan for that wonderful print of hers in the collection.
What a great and special thing we have here on Baren!

Dinner at Barbara's last night was wonderful - Jan Telfer is really a neat,
witty, pretty & delightful person! Now I want to go to Australia! Add it to the
list of wants. Kent Kirkpatrick & his wife Suzy (sp?) were there & Alex Prentiss,
the new owner of McClain's & Sharri LaPierre, president of Northwest Print
Council & our host & hostess: Barbara & Lee Mason. A good print & book viewing
time was had by all. I had a long long drive home, but it was worth every minute
to get together with this group. Lee even gave us an impromptu clarinet concert. 

Cheers!

Wanda

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