Baren Digest Thursday, 28 June 2001 Volume 15 : Number 1473 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Wanda Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:10:01 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15003] Re: Fw: Giclee fraud You know - individuals can also write directly to the bidders of these items & tell them what is going on. I have been warned about e-bay sellers by other buyers several times. And I appreciated the information. Perhaps this would be a better way to go on the giclee stuff. Especially like this "copy of a magazine illustration" of Erte's. Good Grief! Why on earth would *anyone* pay $40.00 for a copy of an old magazine page? Wanda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Bamberger" > To: "bemason" > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: Giclee fraud > > > I have taken one of this person's listings and dissected it as part of the > > "art picks from eBay" series on artbusiness.com. > > > > http://www.artbusiness.com/eBayhits6.html > > > > best, > > AB ------------------------------ From: Printmaker Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:46:59 +1000 Subject: [Baren 15004] Printmaking Opportunity Greetings everyone. Print Australia is an online printmaking community that was formed to assist printmakers in their art practice and to promote the media. Although initially founded to assist Australian printmakers, our membership is primarily international and professional. As part of this project we have run a few print exchanges which have led to exhibitions of the exchange prints in several countries with plans underway for more. I am writing to invite you to join our latest exchanges, please follow the links below for more information. It is a requirement of participation that you join the Print Australia mailing list to receive ongoing information about the running of the exchanges. There are three exchanges - all of which can be accessed by links from the home page on Print Australia. http://www.acay.com.au/~severn The Exchanges are Exchange G: Illustration - co-ordinator Claude Villeneuve in Montreal - Due 1st September 2001 http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/Illust/illustra.htm Exchange H: Ausex 2001 - (aussies only) the Australian Landscape exchange. Due 1st October 2001 http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/ausex2/Ausex2.htm Exchange I: THe Progressive Print - three small (9 persons each) progressive exchanges, one in each of the three designated continental masses, Australia, The Americas and Europe. Oh, this one is supposed to be FUN! Due 1st Decempber or sooner. http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/Prog/progress.htm If you know of someone who might be interested in this notice, please feel free to forward it. With the usual apologies for cross posting. Josephine Severn Print Australia ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:28:41 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15005] Re: Baren Digest V15 #1472 I'm loving the wood-printed-intaglio discussion. I've done it and found the block needed to be heavy on line, not too many large areas. Seal the wood well, and it wipes just as any other plate, spar varnish works good for this. I used about the same pressure as for a drypoint - it doesn't take a lot, just enough to get the paper to reach into the lines and pick up the ink. Sharri LaPierre Vancouver, WA ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:42:26 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15006] Re: flattening prints charset="iso-8859-1" I sometimes use a warm iron to flatten prints (water based) and just press them. Gentle and works. Bea ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:46:10 EDT Subject: [Baren 15007] Re: Fw: Giclee fraud All this talk about prints and copies and now with this last piece of information a magazine print that is copied and printed gave me thought. About 2 years ago I was in an antique shop in a small town and the owner had old covers from Saturday Evening Post, with pieces by Norman rockwell on the cover. I believe I paid either a nickel or a dime for each and bought the 2 she had and one other of some other magazine of the same vintage. I wonder now if this has value or is it just a copy? with no value historicaly or otherwise. They are fun to have and I have little money in it, but just curious, how strict is this print versus copy thing really? I would wonder what an antique dealer might say down the road? Are copies truly always worth just not much or are some special things of value later? How do we really discern that? Of course as an artist and a printmaker i believe as most of us do that a hand pulled artist print has much greater value than something copied from a machine, but how do we know exactly how history will read all of this? Mairlynn ------------------------------ From: Sunnffunn@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:53:15 EDT Subject: [Baren 15008] Re: Fw: Giclee fraud I would pay a dime. OOpps I am writing once to often, but to me that was the value of an old magazine cover. marilynn ------------------------------ From: James G Mundie Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15009] the warm soft glow of exchange prints Howdy, all. I've been teaching a relief printing workshop at the Fleisher Art Memorial (http://fleisher.org) and just wanted to let all of you former and future exchange participants know what a wonderful teaching tool these suckers are. I've been doling prints out a few portfolios at a time to my students and they are all completely fascinated by them. The prints spark all sorts of questions and when someone sees something they like, one can almost see the cog turning in their mind that says, "Hey, I think I could do something like that!" It was especially helpful to point out to these new and somewhat shy printmakers who the first-timers were in the exchange packages. So, rest assured in the knowledge that your work is serving to inspire and invigorate printmakers afar. Cheers, James Mundie http://missioncreep.com/mundie/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Garth Hammond" Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:44:47 -0600 Subject: [Baren 15010] Re: Fw: Giclee fraud RE:I wonder now if this has value or is it just a copy? with no value historicaly or otherwise. They are fun to have and I have little money in it, but just curious, how strict is this print versus copy thing really? I would wonder what an antique dealer might say down the road? Are copies truly always worth just not much or are some special things of value later? How do we really discern that? >From my point of view, value is a projection of beliefs with an addition of emotion often driven by unconscious associations and assumptions. As an example Rembrant. I have visited many museums and seen real ones and fake ones. I wouldn't want any of either in my house. I often am very taken with Life magazine covers at least for a few moments because they remind me of a time when I felt safe, (emotion) when life was less complex to me. I want there to be Rembrants in the world (value) my taste (choice) is not in that area . Garth ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V15 #1473 *****************************