Baren Digest Saturday, 29 September 2001 Volume 16 : Number 1570 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Lyon Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:55:25 -0500 Subject: [Baren 15781] Re: Uploaded images... >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:06:01 +0900 >From: David Bull >To: Mike Lyon >Subject: Re: Uploaded images... > >OK Mike, your stuff is up there in the 'Who Is Baren?' page. Check it >over for errors, and then if OK, post to the group letting them know >they can see it ... > >Dave Thanks, Dave! Looks fine. Bareners: check out http://www.barenforum.org/who_a.html (I dutifully post) -- I am the last photo of the group, with my tongue hanging out. Or visit me directly, http://www.mlyon.com/mike -- I think the 'Tiling' page is the most interesting... - -- Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:49:16 EDT Subject: [Baren 15782] Re: Benefit Ink meets paper the print is on the way. should finish the first 100 by monday john of the furry press ------------------------------ From: Princess Rashid Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:16:46 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15783] Re: Uploaded images... Hello Mike, Really enjoyed the new images posted on baren site. All three are great!!. The tile image intrigued me so I went to your website site to find out more about how and why you created it. Boy!! Thanks for sharing all that great information. I have a B.S. in Physics with a math minor. So I really appreciate the somewhat scientific approach you took to conceiving and creating the tile works. It's been a while since I've done any serious math but your talk about pattern development and the infinite possibilities reminded me of my linear algebra and quantum mechanics days and believe it or not I also thought about genetics..specifically Gregor Mendel's experiments in predicting patterns of inheritance. Man!! you've gotten my juices flowing today. Thanks!!!! Princess Rashid Jacksonville, FL Mike Lyon wrote: > >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:06:01 +0900 > >From: David Bull > >To: Mike Lyon > >Subject: Re: Uploaded images... > > > >OK Mike, your stuff is up there in the 'Who Is Baren?' page. Check it > >over for errors, and then if OK, post to the group letting them know > >they can see it ... > > > >Dave > > Thanks, Dave! Looks fine. Bareners: check out > http://www.barenforum.org/who_a.html (I dutifully post) -- I am the last > photo of the group, with my tongue hanging out. Or visit me directly, > http://www.mlyon.com/mike -- I think the 'Tiling' page is the most > interesting... > > -- Mike > > Mike Lyon > mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com > http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:17:50 -0500 Subject: [Baren 15784] Re: Wanted ! 09/28/2001 12:17:49 PM Is that time of the year again to put our thoughts to paper and to share with others timely news & ideas in our printmaking world. We are looking for articles for the October issue of Barensuji.....our newsletter. http://barenforum.org/newsletter/index.html Please send me articles, stories, how-to's, upcoming events....etc... off list to my email address. Deadline is 10/10. Like with everything else at Baren.....it is up to all of us to make it happen! thanks...Julio ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:32:38 -0500 Subject: [Baren 15785] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1569 At 10:00 PM 9/28/2001 +0900, georga wrote: >hi everyone > i got a job teaching english literature for two weeks so im moving > slow on >my print >i want to start applying color but now i have another question when i mix >the colors with water prior to applying them to the blocks what >consistency should the colors be? im going to use tube watercolors >should they be paste-like, glue-like, or soup-like? and how much rice paste >to how much color? i seem to remember putting just a tiny drop of paste on >the block to a brush load of color is that correct? > and dean if i go to the "tools of the trade" show in pasadena i >will look for you >thanks >georga Hi, georga. Water control is done on the block. Pigment should be just a little thinner than when they come out of the tube. A little thinner than honey. A little glue makes the ink 'smoother' on the block. Your ratio sounds OK -- use more or less as you get the feel of its effect. Dampen block 20 minutes or so before printing -- even so, first couple prints only help 'condition' the block -- after that you should be consistent -- especially with moisture -- use a soft wide brush just for water -- swipe it lightly across the printing surface leaving little wisps of water lines - -- then dab glue if needed, and pigment as reqd to keep color consistent -- then brush out smooth as desired -- remember, you are only adding water to keep brush and block at constant humidity. Drier is better. At first, almost everyone prints too wet. Good luck! Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: GWohlken Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15786] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1569 Mike, that's a great picture of you. Dave wouldn't let me have mine with skeleton face :-). > ... Bareners: check out > http://www.barenforum.org/who_a.html (I dutifully post) -- I am the last > photo of the group, with my tongue hanging out. Or visit me directly, > http://www.mlyon.com/mike -- I think the 'Tiling' page is the most > interesting... Gayle Ohio, USA ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:28:18 EDT Subject: [Baren 15787] Re: another question BARBARA thank you so much!! im going to try printing this weekend and believe me im going to light candles before i do!!! georga ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:34:48 EDT Subject: [Baren 15788] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1569 thank you mike i am going to print your email out and put it in my baren notebook georga ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Baren 15789] Re: pigments & water.... 09/28/2001 04:54:29 PM There are so many types & brands of "colors" out there....I can only speak of what I use and how I use it, which could be right or wrong depending on who you talk to. Still quite the beginner, I have tried just about everything I can get my hands on even including cheap grade-school liquid colors for experimenting. I use water mainly to dilute the color pigments, but as little water as possible. So for a strong red, I use very little water and keep the mix in the color cup very pasty like. To dilute the color and get a light red/pink...add more water. I use a variety of water based color pigments....Graphic Chemical, Ocaldo, Speedball, Liquitex water colors, etc....also have some powdered pigments from Japan which I am starting to use more. A little splash of color, a little drop or so of paste (depending on the size of color area)....mix it all up on the block itself with a separate brush and you are ready to go. Keeping the correct level of saturation on the mixing brush is what it is all about, I think....sometimes you can go a few prints without having to add paste....you can adjust the amount of color & paste you add to the block after each print to maintain the correct saturation...keep your mixing brush out of the water...it should pick up just enough moisture from what's on the block...and of course aside from all your proofing.... it takes a few "practice" prints at the start of an edition to achieve the right balance before I can start seeing good results....I warm up the block a bit by repeating the steps several times but without printing on the paper....add color,paste & mix....add color, paste & mix...add color, paste & mix....you get the picture...after a few times....the block and the brush are looking good...then go-go-go with paper...so as to keep paper block & brushes all at a constant level..... The use of the best materials & paper possible is really important in doing hanga as I been finding out. {;-) me thinks....Julio ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:58:57 +0900 Subject: [Baren 15790] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1569 Gayle wrote: > Dave wouldn't let me have mine > with skeleton face :-). Hey, I'm not the 'boss' any more! Just the webman ... Which prompts me to remind everyone that the 'Who is Baren?' page is of course open to any of you. If you check the instructions on the page at: http://www.barenforum.org/who_add.html ... and send the necessary images, I'll get you in there without too much delay. *** Julio sent some useful instructions on preparing pigments, and properly emphasized the danger of having too much water ... > I use water mainly to dilute the color pigments, but as > little water as possible. What could be added to this is that dilution can also be done with products _other_ than water. It is difficult to make pigments extremely 'thin' (when very delicate shadings are wanted) without getting so much water that you run into a 'goma' problem. In this case, do the dilution with a glue mixture, rather than water. Of course the glue is made from water, but because it is thickish and not so runny as bare water, the pigment in the cup has more body and is less likely to produce the speckled impression. The Japanese nikawa glue is easy to use, and if you buy it in pre-mixed liquid form its even easier - just pour a dollop into the cup and mix it with the pigment. Gum arabic can also be used this way ... Dave ------------------------------ From: Bossbumpy@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:38:22 EDT Subject: [Baren 15791] Re:extender Dear Bareners: I'm needing qualified advice concerning the use of extender for oil block printing. Upon a friend's recommendation, I purchased a 5 pound can of extender. Now, why and when would I use it? How much should I use? How will the final print look compared to one not having extender? Do most of you folks use extender? Why or why not? To some extent I can't think of any more questions which would certainly extend this message. I guess I'm trying to be funny. Oh well. Thanks a lot, Tim Scott ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:51:43 EDT Subject: [Baren 15792] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1569 thanks dave!!!! ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:56:32 EDT Subject: [Baren 15793] Re: pigments & water.... hi julio and everyone just wanted to thank you all for the input and answers to my questions this makes trying hanga for the first time (other than a weekend workshop several years ago) much easier and less stressful just having people to discuss this stuff with is invaluable :-) georga ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:32:23 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15794] paste or not georga - the paste and color need to be very sparingly applied. You have to use sized paper and dampened paper or the paper will stick. I use watercolors and just thin them a bit but use very little. I have been using the Shui-yin. the Chinese method of woodblock printing. It doesn't use paste or sized paper. I'm attaching a copy of the description I wrote about it. (Archivist's note: See Baren-Suji #4 at http://www.barenforum.org/newsletter/issue04/issue04.html Also see: http://www.barenforum.org/encyclopedia/entries/012_04/012_04_frame.html) End of Baren Digest V16 #1570 *****************************