Baren Digest Thursday, 4 October 2001 Volume 16 : Number 1576 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bea Gold" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:17:56 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15840] benefit Hi Bareners, For thos of you thinking of sending prints in for the benefit take a look at these children's drawings - makes you want to cry again. http://www.nytimes.com/ Bea ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15841] FW: another good idea! I'm sorry ahead of time, but I just had to forward this. dan dew another good idea! ?? --------------- This might work. Killing him will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. Therefore, I suggest we do neither. Let the SAS, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return *her* to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban. - tis a fate worse than death And Very Deserving............................. ------------------------------ From: "JEANNE N CHASE" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:49:43 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15842] Re: benefit Bea I do not think we can top the pictures from the children!!! Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "npwilson@pacbell.net" Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:57:34 +0000 Subject: [Baren 15843] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 I guess I need to introduce myself in a little more detail! My name is Nancy and I took a class from April last spring, so strictly speaking my print is not my first. I also have long years of experience with Western style woodblock printing and many other forms of print making. I am completely enchanted with hanga and I agree completely that it's worth the time it takes! Thank you for all the good advice that I received. I think it's more right that I'm foolhardy rather than brave to join an exchange at such an early point in my hanga career. I feel as if I should apologize in advance to all those in the exchange for the print you will get from me! It is encouraging to hear from people that they enjoy the range of skill and ability. It is also certainly true that I have gotten too complex too fast. However, I didn't have trouble in the cutting. That is something I have experience with, it is mostly in the printing, so I have hope that I can correct some of my difficulties in a future go at printing. I will keep trying. I hate to think of myself as representing the worst fundamental flaws of our "present age," but that could be true too! Again, thank you for all the help and encouragement! ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15844] Osama bin Laden. What to do with Osama bin Laden. >This might work. Killing him will only create a martyr. Holding him >prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. > >Therefore, I suggest we do neither. > >Let the SAS, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an >undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex >change operation. Then we return *her* to Afghanistan to live as a woman >under the Taliban. - tis a fate worse than death Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:44:51 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15845] Re: Osama bin Laden. I meant to compliment Dan on this posting. I forwarded it on mistakenly included the Baren list. Sorry Graham PS Dan . Did you send it to Print Australia? >What to do with Osama bin Laden. > >>This might work. Killing him will only create a martyr. Holding him >>prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. >> >>Therefore, I suggest we do neither. >> >>Let the SAS, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an >>undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex >>change operation. Then we return *her* to Afghanistan to live as a woman >>under the Taliban. - tis a fate worse than death > >Graham ------------------------------ From: "marilynn" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:12:56 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15846] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 marilynn@willapabay.org is Sunnffunn@aol.com. I have both services for a bit. Aol gave me an extra month when I stopped the service and I am still between both houses. Does anyone but me have a problem with their hand when they carve? It aches and became swollen. I was checked for carpal tunnel and do not have it, could be arthritis or tendonitis. Is there an aid to this besides an aspirin or ignoring it til the pain makes me stop? Marilynn Nahcotta, Wa. & Portland,Or. ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15847] RE: sore hands > Does anyone but me have a problem with their hand when they > carve? It aches > and became swollen. I was checked for carpal tunnel and do not have it, > could be arthritis or tendonitis. Is there an aid to this besides an > aspirin or ignoring it til the pain makes me stop? > Marilynn > Nahcotta, Wa. > & > Portland,Or. Marilynn, You might try the following, with the first suggestion being the most important: - -Be sure your knives are always always always sharp. Although it is not completely effortless to cut wood with a sharp knife/chisel, there should not be a huge amount of effort involved in the task. I work mainly with solid cherry and find that I have to sharpen and hone a couple of times per day. I am so in love with ultra sharp tools that as soon as I start meeting consistent resistance I turn to my honing slip stones. - -Check out the Baren encyclopedia for the diverse books. They contain a few different approaches to the fine art of woodcutting. The experts recommend different positions of hand, knives, etc. Some recommend shortening the handles on the long knives. I experimented until I found the most comfortable position and cutting technique for me, but sharpening the tools made the most difference. - -If you keep several projects going at once, you can go back and forth between carving, printing, tearing paper, etc. When I'm out "on the field" and carve for an entire day (sometimes 10 hours), my hands are also a bit cranky, although not swollen or painful. - -Grab a racquetball/tennis ball between cutting sessions and squeeze it gently. This will make your hands stronger. Petting your cats also helps (not your hands, but your entire state of being). Purrrrrr... Happy cutting, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15848] Re: FW: another good idea! >Let the SAS, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an >undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex >change operation. Then we return *her* to Afghanistan to live as a woman >under the Taliban. - tis a fate worse than death > > And Very Deserving............................. Brilliant...... Send it to the President.... Graham ------------------------------ From: "JEANNE N CHASE" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Baren 15849] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 Marilyn I have this pain also. When I do a lot of printing especially. I partially solved this problem with a hand or wrist brace. It is a simple hand brace made of ace bandages, called Handeeze. They come in small, medium and large. I have one for the computer, one in my workshop where I do woodcuts and one for etching. I would not be caught without them. They really do relieve the pressure from printing. They fit over the wrist and hand with openings for the fingers. If you cannot find them, I will get one for you. Mine come from Eckerds drug store. Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Bridget Henry" Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:03:28 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15850] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 Mike that is an intense dream. I have been intrigued by the pre and post dreams that I have heard of from artists in relation to 9/11. Exchange? It is also chilling to hear about artist like Jamaican-born sculptor Michael Richards who worked in one of the towers and is confirmed to be dead. One of his sculptures was of a life size man imbedded with jets. Another of men sitting around a target. April, I am glad to hear you are alright,I missed seeing you in Santa Cruz, but thanks for the sharpening advice, I can finally sharpen my tools and I think the right stone makes ALL the difference. Bridget _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15851] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 >Does anyone but me have a problem with their hand when they carve? It aches >and became swollen. I was checked for carpal tunnel and do not have it, >could be arthritis or tendonitis. Is there an aid to this besides an >aspirin or ignoring it til the pain makes me stop? >Marilynn Just wondering..... Do you carve with the block laid flat or slightly tilted. I was bothered the same way including my back. I used IBUPROFEN, an anti inflammatory, instead of aspirin. Not as hard on the stomach. Using a tilted Hori Dai bench has made a huge difference.... Go looky lou at http://members.home.net/woodblocks/hori-Dai All the dimensions are there so you can make one. Graham Just so you know.... Corduroy pillows: They're making headlines! ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15852] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 >I feel as if I should apologize in advance to all >those in the exchange for the print you will get from me! Having seen the print, (I will reply off line to your e-mail Nancy) I don't see that an apology is required. I found it exciting and vibrant in its looseness and sense of spontaneity. You took some risks (I wonder what ifs) and they seem to work. Damn hard to do with Hanga. Oh sure, there may have been some techy problems but I can bet that this is a chronic (disease) problem with lots of work. There always seems to be that one little area that in our minds spoils it from being a masterpiece. Anyway, masterpieces don't happen until you are dead. Just keep pluggin away and never be concerned about the need to conform to the rigid discipline of technically correct Hanga . I remember well the advise of Noboru Sawai (my teacher) who, when I expressed my wonderment of a piece of work that was achieve with 125 colours and 26 plates, he said "technically perfect... creatively dead". Technical competence is a learned craft.... creativity is an inherent aptitude from which comes greatness. (I don't expect everybody to agree) "The trouble is that when creativity flows from the mind to the fingertips it somehow escapes at the bend of the elbow and it takes years or much hard work to patch the leak". Quote from my friend Zoltan Szabo. >It is encouraging >to hear from people that they enjoy the range of skill and ability. It is >also certainly true that I have gotten too complex too fast. There are two Schools of thought about sizes of works. The Scholes thought is that size is only determined by the desire of the individual that is executing the work. Oban for me is not big and was the size of my first piece which at the time I thought was respectable but conservative. I had been working in full sheet watercolours. The bigger the piece the greater to problems (sometimes) and the more you can learn and resolve problems, reaching those higher skill plateaus. I call it pushing the envelop and the progressive development of the psyche. >I have hope that I can correct some >of my difficulties in a future go at printing. I will keep trying. I don't know of any other way to get there Nancy. If you ever find the magic (Bill Alexander) brush/pigment, please let me know immediately. Regards Graham ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hor=E1cio_Soares?= Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:58:27 -0300 Subject: [Baren 15853] Re: Osama bin Laden. Dear Bareners I would like to know if this kind of e-mail joke is acceptable in our forum. Thanks Horacio >From Rio Brasil - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: [Baren 15844] Osama bin Laden. > What to do with Osama bin Laden. > > >This might work. Killing him will only create a martyr. Holding him > >prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. > > > >Therefore, I suggest we do neither. > > > >Let the SAS, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an > >undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex > >change operation. Then we return *her* to Afghanistan to live as a woman > >under the Taliban. - tis a fate worse than death > > Graham > ------------------------------ From: "bemason" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:46:08 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15854] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 .Marilyn, Stop the minute your hand hurts and do some exercises, get up and move arouond, swing your arms. It will help. Do not work with a sore hand, you will damage nerves or something more serious. Frequent breaks are the key. Barbara > Does anyone but me have a problem with their hand when they carve? It aches > and became swollen. I was checked for carpal tunnel and do not have it, > could be arthritis or tendonitis. Is there an aid to this besides an > aspirin or ignoring it til the pain makes me stop? > Marilynn > ------------------------------ From: Bossbumpy@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:25:29 EDT Subject: [Baren 15855] Re: FW: another good idea! Dear Mr. Dan Dew: Your suggestion of a covert operation for Bin Laden seems quite harmless and appropriate. How about an exchange commemorating it? Tim Scott ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:37:14 EDT Subject: [Baren 15856] Re: benefit On the benifit print I talked to Dean at graphic he is very happy to give paper for this print. 50 sheets cut ot 10" by 15" as some print oil based and some print Hanga style he has a couple of different papers that would be of great use. I am very glad that he wants to be part of this project. Those baren printers who want to use this paper should call Dean at Graphic Chemical in the next week or two at the latest. I feel it would be easier for him if we could get it done at one time and not spread out over a longer period. please call him at 800 465 7382 or e-mail at graphchem@aol.com and he will ship it to you . Dean i was glad to see you on tuesday I feel I have a friend in Villa Park who happens to sell prinfting stuff. ;-) (thanks again) I will be getting a Post office box tommorow and as soon as i get it i will tell you all my mail in my building is not secure and i don't want to lose any of these prints. John center john of the furry press ------------------------------ From: "marilynn" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:36:02 -0700 Subject: [Baren 15857] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 Okay I know I am chatty, oops. But I finished my carving for the benefit disaster print and proofed. I am pleased and now it is paper time. I do not run rice papers with my press and lino block much. The first proof was messy but I could see i had a go so i proofed the second time on a piece of rice paper. I did not dampen it and ended up spooning it. This is fairly sizeble block and I would prefer press running it. Should I dampen the rice paper and if so will it drop well? Or should I fall back on a heavier paper. Geez I need to learn more wood block stuff, this is a fab group. Marilynn Nahcotta and Portland ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 04:55:52 EDT Subject: [Baren 15858] Re: Baren Digest V16 #1575 depending on the press you do not have to dapenen the paper with japanese paper for sure you don't have too I never dampen my paper when i print on my press with a stiff paper i could see it on hand printed but i rarely do that. john of the furry press ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V16 #1576 *****************************