Baren Digest Thursday, 25 October 2001 Volume 17 : Number 1597 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shireen Holman Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Baren 16032] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1595 I always dry my prints between blotters, not newsprint. As you say, newsprint is acidic and is not designed to blot the ink and water. Be sure to change the blotters often at first. But also, could you possibly have the ink on too thick? Shireen At 04:41 PM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Guaranteed to have these prints in on time. But one more question??? >Yikes!! I was not taught some technical stuff so well. I was taught to lie >my prints between newsprint to let them dry and weight them. so far it has >been fine but this new ink does not like this. ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:28:50 -0400 Subject: [Baren 16033] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1595 Curious, why in the world would you print oil based inks on damp paper? I mean, I've always printed oil on dry paper, with excellent results. What is the difference between damp or dry printing with oil based inks? Daniel L. Dew http://www.dandew.com/ ddew@tampabay.rr.com > From: Shireen Holman > Reply-To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:12:05 -0400 > To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Subject: [Baren 16032] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1595 > > I always dry my prints between blotters, not newsprint. As you say, > newsprint is acidic and is not designed to blot the ink and water. Be sure > to change the blotters often at first. But also, could you possibly have > the ink on too thick? > Shireen > > At 04:41 PM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >> Guaranteed to have these prints in on time. But one more question??? >> Yikes!! I was not taught some technical stuff so well. I was taught to lie >> my prints between newsprint to let them dry and weight them. so far it has >> been fine but this new ink does not like this. ------------------------------ From: "G. Wohlken" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:55:23 -0400 Subject: [Baren 16034] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1596 - blotters Barbara, when you say "blotters", what are you using? I never used anything called "blotters", so don't know for sure what those are. I tend to print dry, but have thought about trying dampened paper. You must have to have many many blotters to do the process of changing them after 15-20 minutes. Gayle > > From: "bemason" > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:35:38 -0700 > Subject: [Baren 16031] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1595 > > Marilynn, > This is how I do it, but I put blotters under the print, clean newsprint on > top and then another blotter. I do not weight them, just change the blotters > after the first 15 - 20 minutes. Most of the water will be out of the prints > by this time. Then use new blotters and new newsprint. My prints are always > flat and never stick. I know other people weight their prints, but I never > seem to need to as they are always flat. The secret is changing the blotters > after the first short while. > Barbara ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:03:30 EDT Subject: [Baren 16035] Variants, States I am not an art rule person, but I think you are safer to go with the term Variant rather than State. That gives you more leeway to change your prints during the edition. Coincidentally, just today I read that Kupka would establish date limits (1911-1930), "excerising his right to alter the work! Art historians find it diffucult to accept that, but his works did not suffer from the practice in any way." There's our permission, as if we need any... Carol, the one wilthout the "e" ------------------------------ From: "Paticia Prociv" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:10:58 +1000 Subject: [Baren 16036] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1596 - blotters When I was at art school we used acid free tissue paper for wet and dry printing. [:-)] Patricia From: G. Wohlken To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:55 AM Subject: [Baren 16034] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1596 - blotters > Barbara, when you say "blotters", what are you using? I never used anything > > called "blotters", so don't know for sure what those are. I tend to > print dry, but > have thought about trying dampened paper. You must have to have many many > blotters to do the process of changing them after 15-20 minutes. > > Gayle > > > > > > From: "bemason" > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:35:38 -0700 > > Subject: [Baren 16031] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1595 > > > > Marilynn, > > This is how I do it, but I put blotters under the print, clean newsprint on > > top and then another blotter. I do not weight them, just change the blotters > > after the first 15 - 20 minutes. Most of the water will be out of the prints > > by this time. Then use new blotters and new newsprint. My prints are always > > flat and never stick. I know other people weight their prints, but I never > > seem to need to as they are always flat. The secret is changing the blotters > > after the first short while. > > Barbara > > > ------------------------------ From: John and Jan Telfer Date: Wed, 24 Oct 01 23:35:33 -0000 Subject: [Baren 16037] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1596 Marilyn, > I am using stonehenge white paper and oil based ink. >I am running the prints wet on the press. I am not blotting them as it has >been my experience that little comes off when I blot wet prints. I am >spooning a bit as all the ink does not come off with the press, but that >seems to be fine. What do the rest of you do with wet oil based prints to >keep them flat and dry them? Marilyn if you are using newsprint, use the oldest printed newspaper you can find and less of the ink will come off. If you are using oil based ink and Stonehenge, lightly dampen the paper if you want, don't leave it soaking wet...blot it before printing ...or Use the paper dry. I never wet my hand printed paper and I have just done some Stonehenge 200+ gms paper and it was fine....Fabriano or Arches...all dry and it doesn't crinkle, run drip, etc. I did soak and blot papers for etching, but not relief printing with oils. To dry I have an indoor homemade clothes line in my printing "shed" and hang them up back to back on the clothes lines with pegs, and I can stand back and look at them with a smile....OF course I hang all the good ones to the front!!!! Happy printing. Jan ------------------------------ From: "bemason" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:29:18 -0700 Subject: [Baren 16038] damp paper Dan, You almost always use damp paper with any oil based inks, except lithography. Etchings need damp paper to allow the paper to push down into the depressions in the paper and pick up ink. The damp paper will allow the oil to really pull from the plate and onto the paper. The water will open up the fibers of the paper allowing this to happen. Dry paper the ink sits on top of the paper, damp paper the ink goes into the fibers of the paper almost like a stain. This is why we use sized paper, to keep the ink from bleeding on damp paper. Both dry and damp paper work, damp paper works much better for most types of printing. Block printing can be done on either dry or damp paper, depending on the ink. I have done it both ways and both work with different results. The trick is to keep the damp paper the same size and this is accomplished by keeping it confined, in plastic or between damp papers. Best to you, Barbara > Curious, why in the world would you print oil based inks on damp paper? > I mean, I've always printed oil on dry paper, with excellent results. What > is the difference between damp or dry printing with oil based inks? > > Daniel L. Dew ------------------------------ From: "bemason" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:31:28 -0700 Subject: [Baren 16039] blotters Gayle, They are like desk blotters, but especially made for art work. They are very absorbent. Remember the thick piece of stuff Graham placed on each side of the paper in the plastic pack? That was a blotter, used wet. You dry them and use them again and again. They cost about $1 each but if you take care to dry them can last for years. Barbara > Barbara, when you say "blotters", what are you using? I never used anything > called "blotters", so don't know for sure what those are. I tend to > print dry, but > have thought about trying dampened paper. You must have to have many many > blotters to do the process of changing them after 15-20 minutes. > > Gayle > ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Baren 16040] Re: blotters >Gayle, >They are like desk blotters, but especially made for art work. They are very >absorbent. Remember the thick piece of stuff Graham placed on each side of >the paper in the plastic pack? That was a blotter, used wet. You dry them >and use them again and again. They cost about $1 each but if you take care >to dry them can last for years. >Barbara I pick them up at an art store... We have four stores that carry them so they must be a regularly requested item. I would imagine you won't have trouble there in Ohio... Have a good rest of the day. Graham > >> Barbara, when you say "blotters", what are you using? I never used >anything >> called "blotters", so don't know for sure what those are. I tend to >> print dry, but >> have thought about trying dampened paper. You must have to have many many >> blotters to do the process of changing them after 15-20 minutes. >> >> Gayle >> ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Baren 16041] Bill Ritchie and the Ten Bamboo Studio 10/24/2001 12:55:33 PM What a small world this cyber universe is! I have been working on some print ideas based on the chinese masterpiece prints from the Ten Bamboo Studio (17th century). My only source of information so far had been a book by Joseph Vedlich titled "The Ten Bamboo Studio" and some online images from Dave. An online search revealed some images, books, etc...but amazingly it also revealed a familiar name here at Baren......Bill Ritchie's. I have just finished the most part of an hour or more browsing & surfing thru Bill's world of online-printmaking....what an excellent treat! Considering lot of this work was done by Bill many years ago and the web pages themselves go back a while.. it is an amazing source of practical & fun information as fresh today as it was the day it was created. here are just a few links....but you will soon find yourself jumping around here & there....thanks Bill. Preface to the Ten Bamboo project (here is a photo of Bill holding the very same book I have been studying!) http://www.seanet.com/~ritchie/l_wpref.html home page: http://www.seanet.com/~ritchie/ Living Prints, Woodcut online project: http://www.seanet.com/~ritchie/l_wtrac2.html FAQ's: http://www.seanet.com/~ritchie/l_wfaq1.html Relief Printmaking videos: http://www.seanet.com/~ritchie/ppvidr.html Transcript from a 1982 Barry Moser's video: http://videoprint.freeyellow.com/moser.htm Transcript from Japanese printing video: http://videoprint.freeyellow.com/vppjapw.html ------------------------------ From: "Bridget Henry" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:33:37 -0700 Subject: [Baren 16042] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1596 "What do the rest of you do with wet oil based prints to keep them flat and dry them?" I have printed on Stonehedge with oil base, I do not dampen my paper and hang each print on the clothes pins after printing. I have also had newsprint stick to my prints and it was SCARY! The show at Kala in Berkeley was excellent this weekend. I didn't meet any fellow baren members but really enjoyed seeing the work of the other two exhibiting artists, David Kelso and Margaret Van Patten (from Portland). I met the jurors and got to hear about the process that they went through in choosing the award recipients. I recommend visiting Kala it is a great space and the show looks good. They also have a huge press for sale there for $2,500. Also there is a show in Santa Clara CA at the Triton Museum of the California printmaking societies work, I haven't been yet but I heard it was good. Bridget Henry ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Baren 16043] Re: Horses - New Year Card Exchange 10/25/2001 01:21:43 AM As announced last week, the series will continue! Pete White has graciously taken up the task of putting up the signup list web page. To signup, send him an email with your name & address to: Pedrobot@aol.com He is a little backed up right now so if you already send him your info, give him a few days to catchup. The signup list and details can be found at: http://www.complicatedpleasures.com/horse You can mail early or in batches if you want, but remember to check the final list after 12/21 to ensure you cover any late entries..... Have fun.....thanks Pete! Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois) ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 02:37:08 EDT Subject: [Baren 16044] Re: Baren Digest V17 #1596 On printing wet vs dry I print intaligo on damped paper but relief and other letterpress i print dry. I print on a press and i generally use revies or arches. I don't feel the need to dampen the paper. I know some who dampen to print on a vandercook but they are in a minority (a small one i think). I don't have problems with ink of setting when i print one color prints as the paper absorbs the ink. If you print with too much ink it will off set that could be the problem here. stonehinge because it has a lot of sizeing may also be a problem. I sometimes like to print wood engravings on arches silk screen this paper is a waterleaf and can not be soaked but as it is very smooth it prints wood engravings very well. Very often when i print color i print many layers of ink in this case it is best to add dryer to the ink. Ink printed on top of paper drys through absorbshone and evaporation. Ink printed on top of dry ink drys only through evaporation thus the need for dryer. John of the furry press ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:06:59 +0900 Subject: [Baren 16045] Matt in New York ... Five photos were received from Matt Brown's exhibit currently running in an apartment in New York. They are untitled, so I don't know much about the prints, but anyway, you can find the five shots if you peek in this folder: http://barenforum.org/temporary/Matt_in_NY Dave ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V17 #1597 *****************************