Baren Digest Thursday, 7 March 2002 Volume 18 : Number 1750 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:01:06 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17333] Exchange Archives If you ever wondered where the Baren print exchanges are archived, wonder no more! Take a look at the BarenForum.org's new archive information page at: http://barenforum.org/barenarchives/SpencerMuseum.html - -- Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 09:10:03 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17334] HANGA INTENSIVE !! WOW !! Just in case you missed Maria's recent announcement, check out http://barenforum.org/survey/survey.html !!! BarenForum 5th Anniversary Hanga Intensive, 2003 It is high time for an official Barenforum full-fledged HANGA INTENSIVE, a face to face open exchange of expertise. It will take place in Kansas City, Missouri (stop laughing y'all) and offers BarenForum members free use of thousands of square feet of well equipped studio space during mid-June, 2003. That is an ideal time for most of us, as it accommodates academic schedules and other school year obligations. We've created a poll at http://barenforum.org/survey/survey.html to help us fine tune the event. Please visit that page and answer the polling questions so we can make this THE BEST BIG BAREN BASH OF 2003 ! *** The sketchy details: WHO: Members of Barenforum.org. Registration will be limited - first come, first served. WHAT: A week-long Hanga Intensive face to face exchange of expertise. WHERE: Kansas City, Missouri, USA. WHEN: Seven days from June 15th and June 26th, 2003 (to be settled after polling). *** Our automated pollster can't tell your genuine response from your joke, so please answer the polling questions honestly and to the best of your ability. This is going to be a BALL !!! - -- Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:22:15 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17335] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! Uh, is this also open to members who are not "experts", but want to hang out and learn? dan dew ------------------------------ From: Mobile101@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:46:24 EST Subject: [Baren 17336] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! Mike, One of the poll questions was confusing the way it was written. If we wanted an all week hanga intensive only (no activities) or hanga intensive and other activies. So I enter no on the hanga because I thought it meant no to the other activities. I would like to enjoy some activies with plenty of time for hanga work. Gilda ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17337] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! Re: [Baren 17334] HANGA INTENSIVE !!It is of course open to everyone, there will be very knowledgeable Hanga folk there and also those of us who are Hanga-ignoramus and every skill level in between. We hope to learn much. On the confusing question thing, Hanga will be a priority obviously. I suppose if someone marks 'Hanga Only' then there is no reason to mark any other activity. As it is phrased, you are right it is a wee bit confusing. We are more interested in seeing what the interest is in the other activities. Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >Uh, is this also open to members who are not "experts", but want to hang >out and learn? >dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:48:38 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17338] HANGA INTENSIVE !! Re: [Baren 17334] HANGA INTENSIVE !! Dan, I can't believe you asked this! Everyone from baren should come. What a lot of fun we will have! Lee and I are already planning the drive from Oregon to Kansas! Maybe if we are lucky Dave can make it all the way from Japan...one never knows! Everyone is welcome and encouraged to attend the party. Barbara > Uh, is this also open to members who are not "experts", but want to >hang out and learn? > dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:01:41 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17339] mall order Monica, I did receive your order from the Baren Mall, although the automated shopping cart was unable to send you a confirmation. The email was bright_creation@hotmail.com if this is not correct will you let me know? Thank you, Barbara Mason Mall Manager ------------------------------ From: Dan Dew Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Baren 17340] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! Sorry, but look at the subject line, HANGA INTENSIVE. Doesn't sound too inviting for non-hanga people. **************************** Daniel L. Dew ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com ddew@tampabay.rr.com http://www.dandew.com **************************** >Dan, >I can't believe you asked this! Everyone from baren should come. ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:25:21 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17341] Re: odd request >I have been tossing an idea around in my head for a few months and was >recently asked by a potential client for a price, but I need help. >I have wondered if anyone has ever done a portrait before of a client. >How much should you charge? >How many copies should you print? >What size, etc.... Dan, The last two question can be answered by your client. You will need that info before a price can be considered. Price.... It depends on what the market will bare. When you are not an established portraitist you can ask the client what they feel the VALUE of the portrait is to them. Once an agreed price is established and you still want the commission (<: then make it clear that the image is your interpretation and the feeling you have about the (task at hand) subject. You will have to spend some time with the subject to learn and understand all of the above. A portrait is an indepth study that goes beyond most other art and takes skills that not many are willing work at to master. Some credence can be given to a persons given ability, A. the ability to see, B. the shortness of distance from the brain to the finger tips, and as Zoltan Szabo says, "with no hole in the elbow where a lot of what you see doesn't run out on the floor". When I do portrait commissions I request 50% of the agreed upon price, up front. Lots of luck Graham ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:20:16 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17342] Baren Party in Kansas City >Sorry, but look at the subject line, HANGA INTENSIVE. >Doesn't sound too inviting for non-hanga people. >Daniel L. Dew Well, I think it is our enthusiasm for getting everyone together. We can do what we want, it is our party. So let us know and we will plan it around what everyone wants to do. Maybe no one wants to print (hard to believe, but could be) In that case we can set up demos or slide shows or just have social time. What ever the list wants we will make happen, we have the offer of large, free space to do it in with the offer of sleeping on the floor for those who want to camp. I personally am too old to sleep on the floor (maybe just too spoiled), but there are lots of motels close by.=20 So lets all put in our 2cents worth and we will have a wonderful time. I have counted the baren people I have met and the list is now at 17...isn't that truly remarkable? I hope it is at 34 after Kansas City! This is such a great group of people!=20 I know June of 2003 seems far away, but it will be here before we know it and it does take time to plan something for people from all over....we are all so busy and need to make plans for a trip like this a year ahead of time. I can only do one or two big trips like this a year. There are so many little details to take care of to be away for a week..and then there will be a week of travel time for us on each end of the trip. Lots of planning here folks. Best to all, Barbara ------------------------------ From: Graham Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:53:11 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17343] Re: HANGA EXPENSIVE !! >It is of course open to everyone, This is a great idea and certainly hope it is affordable to most people. It would have been a good move to have it somewhere mid Canada. The value of the Canadian $ makes all most attractive to all members. The Americans can come and take advantage of the the 60=A2 dollar. Absolutely a bargain. The Canadians can be involved at par. For them to travel to the States it is in most cases, I suspect, not possible except for the rich and famous... Just a thought. Graham ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:02:25 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17344] Re: HANGA INTENSIVE !! Huh? Dan you sure look like an expert to me! Your prints are always fantastic. And bring Meagan, too. I'm going to go fill out the survey form now. Can't see that far into the future, but oh boy, I sure hope I can come. Wanda Daniel Dew wrote: > > Uh, is this also open to members who are not "experts", but want to hang out > and learn? > > dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:12:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17345] Re: HANGA EXPENSIVE !! We are planning to make this a recurrent thing, so perhaps in the future. It is not cheap to fly to Canada from the US, regardless of the exchange rate, whereas holding the bash in Kansas City will allow many of us to drive/camp on the way. Also, as there is no fee and free accommodations are available it seems that this would indeed make it affordable for many of our members. Maybe Japan and Australia are also future possibilities? Wouldn't that be fun!!! Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp > [mailto:owner-baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp]On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:53 AM > To: baren@ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Subject: [Baren 17343] Re: HANGA EXPENSIVE !! > > > >It is of course open to everyone, > > This is a great idea and certainly hope it is affordable to most people. > > It would have been a good move to have it somewhere mid Canada. > The value of the Canadian $ makes all most attractive to all > members. The Americans can come and take advantage of the the > 60¢ dollar. > > Absolutely a bargain. > > The Canadians can be involved at par. For them to travel to the > States it is in most cases, I suspect, not possible except for > the rich and famous.... > > Just a thought. > > Graham > > ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:46:27 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17346] Re: HANGA EXPENSIVE !! 03/06/2002 12:46:30 PM A very quick look at United flights (w/o looking for special fares) shows a round trip ticket from Chicago (ORD) to KC 's (MCI) during this time period to cost around $116.50 per person, very affordable indeed for us in the midwest....I am sure there are other bargains available thru other carriers. I am only eight hours away from KC by road so driving is also certainly an option. Besides been centrally located, another favourable thing about KC is the fine collection of prints at the nearby Spencer Museum (which by the ways holds the Baren archives with all the exchanges!) and the Nelson Galleries. In the course of this less than perfect use of cyber space emails, we often rush to use in our posts the word 'hanga' to differentiate between traditional japanese printmaking and western style or oil-based techniques. But I think the real japanese meaning of the word 'hanga' is PRINTS. Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois) ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:53:01 -0600 Subject: [Baren 17347] Re: HANGA EXPENSIVE !! More precisely, han=block ga=made so 'hanga' = 'block print' Mike At 12:46 PM 3/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: >But I think the real japanese meaning of the word 'hanga' is PRINTS. > >Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois) Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon@mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: LEAFRUTH@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:47:17 EST Subject: [Baren 17348] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1749 I want to thank everybody for letting me have the prints. They're lovely. I'm sorry my prints were lost. I would have liked to be included....Ruth www.ruthleaf.com ------------------------------ From: Printmaker Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:09:52 +1100 Subject: [Baren 17349] Australian Printmaking Le said "We will have Australian printmaker Biron Valier exhibiting for our Printmaking month show in April. I wanted to post on Print Australia, but the links swore they were broken today." Yes, yahoo groups was down due to a hardware failure with their server, which is why the site was not accessable. All is back to normal now. BTW you dont have to access the website to post an e-mail, just mail directly to the mailing list address. josephine Print Australia http://www.acay.com.au/~severn ------------------------------ From: "nancy osadchuk" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:33:49 -0700 Subject: [Baren 17350] Yes glue I believe someone asked for the Canadian equivalent of Yes glue. If Yes is a PVA, polyvinyl acetate, then there are a few... Several of the 'white' glues would be acid free, dry clear and be water soluble, in other words, archival. I have used LePages Bond-Fast, Elmer's and Ross's white glues. I have used them to stretch watercolor paper, and now to glue the hanshita onto my blocks ready for cutting. Nancy O. ------------------------------ From: "marilynn smih" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:36:03 -0800 Subject: [Baren 17351] Re: Baren Digest V18 #1749 Reading about persevering in the art world brings a comment from what I see here in Mexico, on the beach. Those beach vendors walk all day long on a beach asking everyone they see if they would like to buy something. Usually they are not yelled at but merely told no or if they get lucky some one buys. Often what they are selling is made at home, by a relative or sometimes by themselves. There are the pots, mostly plates and bowls, the baskets and beads they have strung oh and last night a man with mobiles, parts of which were coconuts, painted. I consider it local art and admire them for peddling it with such extreme perseverance all day long on a beach in the hot sun. So I guess I should not whine at a rejection letter but rather think that if i ask often enough someone will buy it. Marilynn ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V18 #1750 *****************************