Baren Digest Wednesday, 29 May 2002 Volume 19 : Number 1844 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FurryPressII@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:47:17 EDT Subject: [Baren 18183] Re: Fireman's Benefit Show is the list down? no messages for three days? john center ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18184] 911 portfolio I received my 911 collection on Saturday and have been appreciating the prints since. Thanks everyone for a wonderful set; thanks especially to John for coordinating and all the exhibition coordinators who showed these in various venues. Wonderful to be a part of this project. Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: jimandkatemundie@juno.com Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:36:16 GMT Subject: [Baren 18185] Munakata Exhibition in Philadelphia A few months ago I announced this exhibition was coming up this summer. For those Munakata fans on the east coast of the US (or those elsewhere too far away to visit), I thought you might like to read more about the exhibition at the Philadelphia Museum of Art in July: http://www.philamuseum.org/exhibitions/exhibits/munakata.shtml Cheers, James Mundie http://missioncreep.com/mundie/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:39:12 -0400 Subject: [Baren 18186] Re: Fireman's Benefit Show John I was just wondering about that, but I did receive your e mail so guess everyone is busy. That's a good thing! Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Gilda Zimmerling" Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 8:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18187] Wanted Press this talk about press has me even more desperate to buy one of my own. The press out there all look great to me but not my pocket book. So if any of you are looking to sell a used press any condition please let me know. I am in the Los Angeles area so the closer you the better I suppose. Please if you have anything email me direct at gemzeditionz@earthlink.com Thank you Gilda ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:54:16 EDT Subject: [Baren 18188] Re: Fireman's Benefit Show john i think its because of memorial day weekend georga ------------------------------ From: "Dan Sabo" Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Baren 18189] RE: Wanted Press Hi Gilda, I'd recommend that you contact Printmakers Machine Co. at www.printmakersmachine.com I think they have used presses from time to time. Here's my two cents worth about purchasing a used press, coming from a person who shopped for over a year for either a used or new press (even looked into building my own) until he purchased one. First of all if you do decide to buy a used press, I would at least purchase it from an individual artist(s) who has treated it as if it was part of her or his family, instead of from an institution. Or from a reseller who backs up what they sell, Like Printmakers does.You may however find that it's a better idea to purchase new. In the end, I decided to purchase a new Conrad Press from Printmakers and have been happy with it from day one. It was more money than I originally planned on paying, but it was sure worth it. The thing about purchasing a used press Gilda, is that - Artists rarely sell their presses unless they are purchasing a new one/upgrading. Hence when you are able to find one in good condition, they sell for almost as much as new. Presses hold their value - they do not de preciate that much. I have seen used presses built decades ago sell for many times more than the original purchase price. Another reason why used presses are in high demand, is because you can usually get it immediately - it has already been built. If you order a new press, it can take anywhere from several weeks to several months to build, from the time you actually pay your money or down payment. With a used press, you usually do not have to wait several weeks to get it, so people are usually willing to pay a premium for a used press. Hence the demand for used presses is high if the press is in good condition. And you will find that you really do not end up saving much money when purchasing a used press. Unless you want a press right away, I'd reccomend buying a new one. Unless the manufacturer of a particular press has a bad reputation, most presses last a very long time and do not wear out very quickly. Hence, used presses are again sold at a premium and in high demand. You might be better off purchasing a new press from a company who has a short lead time, than a used one. Because new presses have warranties, usually ten or 15 years, and used presses do not. Most of the used presses that are easy to purchase and are cheap ("any condition" presses), are from educational institutions, and have been used by hundreds of people over the years. When people do not own their own press and are using someone else's, they tend to not treat the press as well. Because of this, if you purchase a press in "any condition", you may be setting yourself up for headaches and end up paying more for an "any condition press", then you would pay for a brand new press with a warranty. New bearings are expensive and a pain to install on a used press. Some bearing housings have to be heat expanded to several hundred degrees prior to installation of a bearing. Also if a Steel bed is warped, a 3/4 inch steel bed is itself at least 500 bucks, and that's if you purchase it from a steel warehouse and have it Blanchard ground by a grinding house. I know because I got price quotes from raw steel companies and machine shops in the Detroit Michigan area, where competition for machining services and raw steel is fierce, competitive, and prices are low. If the press rollers are shot, that's another several hundred bucks right there, maybe in the 1,000 dollar range depending on the diameter - and to have a press manufacturer fab up a roller for you may take nearly as long as building a brand new press. If the used press you purchase is in poor condition and needs work, you will need to pay hundreds, maybe even thousands to fix it, and you may still end up waiting for it to be repaired, or wait for parts for months. If the bed is warped, or if there is a bearing problem, roller problem, you will not be getting any decent prints out of it. I know this Gilda, because I shopped for a press for myself for over a year, new and used, before I purchased one. I even considered building my own press - even drew up the plans myself and had all the parts priced out, thinking I would save money. To build my own from scratch would have saved me about 1,800 bucks, but I would have had to contract all the work out to a machine shop, held my breath and wait for them to do the machining for over a month, and hoped that all the parts would fit together perfectly. And even if it worked perfectly, I would still have no warranty. So to me it was not worth saving the money, because time and stress factor should not be high when purchasing a press - you should be concentrating on art instead of mechanical headaches. In the end, I decided to let the experts handle it, I purchased a new Conrad Press from Printmakers and have been happy with it from day one. It was more money than I expected, but it was sure worth it. I also met Mr. Tom Conrad Personally, and Mr. Dean Clark of Printmakers, and they are both fine men, they have decades of experience building presses and experience in the printmaking supply business, and they know how to provide a top grade press. Dan Sabo ------------------------------ From: Jandi Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:42:09 -0400 Subject: [Baren 18190] Re: Baren Digest V19 #1842 THANK YOU, MIKE! ...for getting my attention in that fleeting moment before I hit 'delete'! What an incredible collection of prints! It's great to see the progress of the familiar names on the list, and also inspiring to see all of the stunning prints from new folks. (or at least new to me!) You all should feel very proud! Congratulations! jandi ------------------------------ From: Louise Cass Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:56:48 -0400 Subject: [Baren 18191] congratulations Congratulations to all the printmakers in exchange #12 - it's a very fine collection and beautifully presented on the site, Mike L. Secondly but first rate and very moving are the firemen's benefit prints - also well presented, now, on Barenforum site and a most impressive and enjoyable news letter prepared by the hard-working Julio Rodriguez!!!! thanks louise Cass http://www.LCassArt.com ------------------------------ From: "M. Pereira" Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:26:52 -0300 Subject: [Baren 18192] Re: congratulations I think the same as Luise Cass. Beautiful work, congratulations.Best wishes. ------------------------------ From: Bette Wappner Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:56:39 -0400 Subject: [Baren 18193] Thank your for the unbelievable newsletter #8 To Julio and everyone who contributed to the Baren Suji Issue #8 May 2002. I finally got the chance to go to the newsletter to check it out. My am I surprised to see such endless, wonderful, interesting information. I can't wait to read every single word. I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to thank this group and express my gratitude. Sincerely, Bette Wappner northern Kentucky - greater Cinti. area ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:30:38 EDT Subject: [Baren 18194] Re: Thank your for the unbelievable newsletter #8 Thank you Julio for the terrific newsletter! See how appreciated your work is. Wonderfuljob! Carol Irvington, NY ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V19 #1844 *****************************