Baren Digest              Monday, 11 November 2002      Volume 21 : Number 2024


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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:04:39 -0600
Subject: [Baren 19794] Re: Lee Valley Tools....Fun & Games update 

At 11:42 PM 11/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>do you have to be a member on  NRA to use that device.
>
>i beg to differ on the carver vrs printer    if the image is not in the block
>no printer can print it.      in western wood blocks the carver is by far the
>most important part.
>
>John Center


I beg to differ on differing on the carver vs. printer question, 
John   :-)  -- I'm with David Bull on this one, for sure -- in hanga, it's 
'ALL' in the printing!!  No matter how well conceived the image, nor how 
cleverly the blocks are carved, poor printing won't communicate it...  No 
matter what the block is like, carved or not, a great printer can make a 
great print (and he won't need that hammer, I don't think).  That's my 
feeling anyway!

Mike


Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com 

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From: Mike Lyon <mikelyon#mlyon.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:05:46 -0600
Subject: [Baren 19795] Re: carving vs printing 

At 01:54 PM 11/10/2002 +0900, you wrote:

>What I was thinking about was (of course) multi-colour work. In this case, 
>printing is everything. Even a plain blank block with nothing carved on it 
>can become anything you want it to be - a deep tone, a gradated tone, a 
>speckled tone ... the whole life and feeling of the image is all created 
>by the way that the printer works with his pigments and tools ...
>
>Dave


Oops -- I didn't plough down far enough --  YES !!  I agree exactly!!

Mike
Mike Lyon
mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com
http://www.mlyon.com 

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From: Shireen Holman <shireenh#earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19796] Re: carving vs printing 

I agree with Barbara - Western type of printing is no more mechanical, only 
different. There are many different ways to ink up a block - it requires a 
great deal of experience and sensitivity to produce a really fine print. 
And an experience printmaker could produce very different prints from the 
same block, using the same inks.
Shireen

At 12:43 AM 11/10/02 -0800, Barbara wrote:

>Dave,
>I beg to differ.......putting the ink on the block and printing it just
>right, especially on a press, takes a lot of repeat doing and skill to
>achieve what the artist is aiming for. The inking of the block is the print,
>wether it is oil or water based ink, one color or many.


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Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist
email: shireenh#earthlink.net
http://www.shireenholman.com
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From: "April Vollmer" <april#aprilvollmer.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19797] Power Grip 

Mike, I also am sold on that Lee Valley set of tools. It is the same as
"Power Grip" sets that I've seen in a few other catalogues. There is also a
seven tool set. Japan Woodworker carries them. They are bonded steel and
hollow ground. As you say the only drawback is the short blade, which is a
problem if you break the tip of your toh!

April
www.aprilvollmer.com


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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:05:41 -0800
Subject: [Baren 19798] New year cards...website for sheep!!!! 

Philip, I received your Wonderful Ram yesterday! congratulations on getting the
card exchange off to a quick start.

Bea, I got your great "Pokey Pony" in the mail last week. What a sweetie! 

Thanks to both of you!

Wanda

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From: Brad Baucom <bradford#rushmore.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:52:07 -0600
Subject: [Baren 19799] St. Louis Show 

Michael,

You missed me by a year!  I lived in St. Louis for 32 years before returning to my home 
state of Texas.  Then in August, a trip to Canada was aborted when I discovered Deadwood, 
South Dakota and suddenly moved here.  

I've visited the Hunt Gallery; normally opens at 10:00 on weekdays.  You'll love 
Webster University, a beautiful location and campus.  For film buffs, there is usually 
something interesting at the Winifred Moore Auditorium there as well.  Wish I could be 
there at the show!

Cheers,

Brad Baucom



>From: michael schneider <mikasch#t0.or.at>
>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:00:36 +0100
>Subject: [Baren 19790] hope to meet some bareners 
>
>Hi again!
>
>Yes I am still here and following the discussions as often as possible.
>Some time ago, I could announce, that I have the possibility to visit 
>the US in November. I will be in St. Louis from 12th to 26th.
>According to the map, ( Thank you Julio!) there is no member of baren 
>located directly in St. Louis, but maybe one of you has to pass through, 
>stays nearby or has another reason to be in close range that would make 
>it possible to meet.
>On 15th "New Traditions" at Hunt Gallery in St. Louis will open. ( I 
>have no idea at what time.)  
>It is a group show concentrating on new developments in traditional 
>printmaking with work by Yvette Dubinski, Meredith Dean, Lynwood 
>Kreneck, Nathan Oliveira, Dennis Olsen, Nik Semenof, Jeff Sipple, Dan 
>Weldon and me.
>( I hoped including all the names might motivate to visit the exhibition.)
>After the 15th until the 26th I will be working in the printmaking 
>studio of webster university as visiting artist.
>
>So if some of you see a possibility to make a trip to St. Louis, I would 
>be very happy to meet some bareners in person.
>
>Greetings,
>
>michael



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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:25 -0600
Subject: [Baren 19800] Re:Map....Fun & Games update 11/10/2002 06:36:24 PM 

About the map...

I have added the following people to the map...Elizabeth Atwood & Gillyin
Gatto in Maine, David Stones in Japan, Jan Telfer in Australia, Patsy
Glicas in Colorado. If you emailed me and I missed you please let me
know...I think I missed someone from Toronto ?

There is only room for 100 people on the map and we are up to 61... I would
like to make it a nice round...100...come on an post!!!!!

Not sure why it does not work for some, it's not my service but a freebie
by Bravenet....some macs are ok and some ibms PC are ok...other not...I am
sure it has to do with your personal configurations or machine
limitations...I will write to Bravenet and ask for help....in the meantime
if you have problems get a look at a friends PC or at the public library.

thanks for playing along......Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)



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From: "April Vollmer" <april#aprilvollmer.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Baren 19801] pigment 

georgia wrote me off list, I thought this might be of interest to
hanga-makers.

I have been using pigment dispersions for a long time. For binder I make a
mix of 2/3 ready-made gum arabic from the art store and 1/3 glycerin from
the drugstore.

I buy 4 ounce screw top plastic jars, put as much pigment dispersion in as I
think I will need, then add a squirt of the gum arabic mixture to make a
crude watercolor. It is handy to have it in a screw top jar. I can put my
carrying brushes in the jars to transfer as much color as I need to the
block. I add the paste (I use methyl cellulose) to the block as needed.

best,

April
www.aprilvollmer.com

- -----Original Message-----
From: Aqua4tis#aol.com [mailto:Aqua4tis#aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:31 PM
To: april#aprilvollmer.com
Subject: a quaestion about guerra pigments


>hi april
>   im considering ordering some of the water dispersed pigments from guerra
>and i think i heard that you use these   is that correct?    if so i wanted
>to find out id i need to order binder or anything else for them   i want to
>try using them for hanga
>thanks for your time and i hope all is well with you
>georga


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From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" <lbmason71#attbi.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:54:50 -0800
Subject: [Baren 19802] paste 

April,
Why do you use the binder? Wouldn't the pigment and paste be enough?
Does this binder of gum arabic and glycerine give you smoother more streak
free color?
Or does it just keep the pigment in suspension better?
Why methyl celluose rather than rice paste? Does it keep better or does it
work better?
Does it have anything to do with humidity or temperature in NY City?????
Just curious...interested printmakers want to know these things....
Best to you,
Barbara

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001#hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:51:17 -1000
Subject: [Baren 19803] Re:Map....Fun & Games update 

OK Julio, put me in Hawaii. There's probably still plenty of room over there
in the middle of the ocean.

Jack Reisland

Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com wrote:


> About the map...
>
> I have added the following people to the map...Elizabeth Atwood & Gillyin
> Gatto in Maine, David Stones in Japan, Jan Telfer in Australia, Patsy
> Glicas in Colorado. If you emailed me and I missed you please let me
> know...I think I missed someone from Toronto ?
>
> There is only room for 100 people on the map and we are up to 61... I would
> like to make it a nice round...100...come on an post!!!!!
>
> Not sure why it does not work for some, it's not my service but a freebie
> by Bravenet....some macs are ok and some ibms PC are ok...other not...I am
> sure it has to do with your personal configurations or machine
> limitations...I will write to Bravenet and ask for help....in the meantime
> if you have problems get a look at a friends PC or at the public library.
>
> thanks for playing along......Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)



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From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" <lbmason71#attbi.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:10:34 -0800
Subject: [Baren 19804] Workshop

Still, I will likely be asking for some help on workshop ideas as time goes
on. If we have no press I'll need to think about barens and registration
methods which typically don't concern me much these days. Time to go
searching through the archives methinks.
TyRuS

Tyrus,
I think you can use the kento method for your printing, I use it a lot with
oil based inks. You can make a registration board of wood or make a
registration board with mat board and foam core, make the kento corners out
of mat board. I have one made this way I have used for two years and it is
still ok, it has not fallen apart or quit working or gotten crooked. Maria
has directions for one on her website that is similar, see
http://barenforum.org/encyclopedia/entries/012_07/012_07_frame.html from our
own archives and see
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/Studionotes/Reduction/Reduction.html and
see http://www.printmakingstudio.com/Studionotes/Reduction/Reduction.html
This will be lots of help....
Let us know if you need more and we will look into our notes from past
stuff.
Best to you,
Barbara



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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:19:11 EST
Subject: [Baren 19805] Re: paste 

barbara
   im glad you asked these questions   i dont know enough about pigments to 
even know what to ask
april
   thank you for your answer and future answers   this helps alot   im amazed 
at how much i DONT know and im glad i have you all to ask
georga

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