Baren Digest Thursday, 28 November 2002 Volume 21 : Number 2042 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G Wohlken Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:25:02 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19977] Black Jeanne wrote: >Thanks to all who suggested sumi ink for rich blacks, I will try them >out. >Also will be trying out various browns and blues and deep reds to get >rich blacks, back to my oil painting days when I never used blacks in my >paintings. > >Regards >Jeanne N. Regarding that, can sumi be mixed in with those other colors Jeanne mentions in order to give a richer black, or is sumi too powerful and you'd just be wasting your other inks to mix them all together? Gayle Ohio ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie#aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:39:16 EST Subject: [Baren 19978] Jeffrey Lerer's animation shown at NY Expo Hi folks, my "better half", Jeffrey Lerer, had one of his wonderful and very original 3-d computer animations (the first installment of "Manuscript Fragments Found at the Gilbert Hotel") chosen for the NY Expo, and both the first and second installments of the piece will be shown in Florida early next year. Following is a message from him, telling more details about the showings. I hope some of you can make it - his animation is unique, beautiful, sad, strange, funny... a slice of life at a very unusual single-room occupancy hotel. best wishes, Sarah Hauser Here's Jeffrey's message: I am pleased to announce the following: Manuscript Fragments Found at the Gilbert Hotel (Fragments a-c) has been granted a Jury Award and will be appearing in the 36th New York EXPO of Short Film and Video to be held at the Cinema Village Theater. The festival is divided into distinct venues and the Gilbert will appear in "Animation II" Sunday, Dec. 8 at 9:00pm and Tuesday, Dec 10 at 6:15pm. The festival opens Dec. 6 and runs through Dec. 12. If you wish to inquire about the various venues and showtimes, the website for the EXPO is WWW.NYEXPO.ORG. Cinema Village Theater is located on East 12 St. between 5th Ave & University Place in lower Manhattan. For ticket information, the theatre phone # is (212) 924-3363 for recorded message, and (212) 924-3364 for the box office. Last minute schedule changes will be reflected after Dec. 4th. Also, Fragments a-c and Fragments d-f will be shown at the Electronics Alive II, National Computer Artists Invitational, University of Tampa, Scarfone/Hartley Galleries Jan 27 through Feb 27, 2003 All the inhabitants of the Gilbert Hotel are drinking cheap wine tonight and wish you all a survivable holiday season. Jeffrey Lerer ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:43:57 +0900 Subject: [Baren 19979] Re: Black Gayle wrote: > Regarding that, can sumi be mixed in with those other colors Jeanne > mentions in order to > give a richer black, or is sumi too powerful and you'd just be wasting > your other inks > to mix them all together? Gee, the coincidence here is just too much ... the print I'm working on just this week is a 'seven colour' print, but made with nothing but sumi. For the purpose of making it, I went down to a sumi shop last week and picked out a selection of different 'colours' of sumi. They are all 'black' of course, but with slightly different tones, and their names reflect that: 'ao-zumi' (blue sumi), 'aka-zumi' (red sumi), etc. etc. > can sumi be mixed in ... You can make your own mixes easily - sumi blends very well with colours. But because it's so deep, you'll need an awful lot of whatever it is you're mixing in to give a good rich effect. Adding more 'nikawa' (gelatin glue) helps to give it extra 'gloss' ... And the other way round is also important - putting sumi _in_ to other colours. People who visit here when I am mixing up colours, are nearly always surprised to find that there is sumi mixed in to _all_ my colours. Without exception, every colour in every print in my surimono series since it started four years ago has had sumi mixed into it. Modern printmakers don't do this, but in the traditional palette, sumi is an essential key to creating tonal balances between the colours. Dave ------------------------------ From: John Amoss Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:55:39 -0500 Subject: [Baren 19980] eBay Japanese Printmaking by Toshi Yoshida book There is a great hanga book for sale on eBay, See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=923658950 The Baren book review with pics: http://www.barenforum.org/newsletter/issue06/issue06.html#feature5 - -John Amoss ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:19:59 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19981] Sumi ink Gayle, I think you would be wasting the other color, sumi is so strong, you would need a lot of other color to change it at all. It is such a wonderful deep black, I can't imagine it being any better by adding red or blue. Barbara > Regarding that, can sumi be mixed in with those other colors Jeanne > mentions in order to > give a richer black, or is sumi too powerful and you'd just be wasting > your other inks > to mix them all together? > > Gayle > Ohio > > > ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:26:10 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19982] Re: Sumi ink <20021127142506.2B0A434F#ml.asahi-net.or.jp> At 07:19 AM 11/27/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Gayle, >I think you would be wasting the other color, sumi is so strong, you would >need a lot of other color to change it at all. It is such a wonderful deep >black, I can't imagine it being any better by adding red or blue. >Barbara Sumi very strong, but it mixes extremely well (and beautifully) with other water colors. Probably easier to add a drop of sumi into the color than the other way around... Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:37:10 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19983] : Black Dave, As usual I see I was 100% wrong here....I assumed that sumi was just way to strong to mix with other colors. It is so intense. If you put it in everything, you must have used a toothpick to pick up the tiniest smidge of it....another lesson learned from the master. As usual, thanks for the information! Barbara >> > And the other way round is also important - putting sumi _in_ to other > colours. People who visit here when I am mixing up colours, are nearly > always surprised to find that there is sumi mixed in to _all_ my > colours. Without exception, every colour in every print in my surimono > series since it started four years ago has had sumi mixed into it. > Modern printmakers don't do this, but in the traditional palette, sumi > is an essential key to creating tonal balances between the colours. > > Dave > ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:41:16 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19984] Baren Summit Progress There are still 22 slots left for the Baren Summit June 14-22, 2003 moku-hanga printmaking convention in Kansas City. My family and I are leaving for Aspen, Colorado in a few minutes in order to spend Thanksgiving with my parents (that's where they live). So DON'T panic after you sign-up and then don't see your name on the list for a few days -- it's because I'm out of town! I'll get your name up there Monday morning as soon as I walk in the door! The link for signing up is: http://www.barenforum.org/summit After you've made your PayPal payment, you should be directed to a Baren form in order to complete your registration -- if you don't get there for any reason, you can take yourself here: http://www.barenforum.org/summit/information.html and send in the rest of the info... BUT PLEASE, do NOT submit that page until AFTER you have completed your PayPal payment, OK? Thanks all, and have a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING (well, those of you who practice the USA customs, anyway :-), Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:04:46 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19985] Re: goats & sheep 11/27/2002 12:10:05 PM Hi Carol...I guess goats are fine....what the heck, does anyone object to goats for the exchange ? I think it all depends on which website you go to....most say sheep but..... this one says sheep but the picture looks like a goat ! http://www.new-year.co.uk/chinese/calendar/sheep.htm this one says goat.... http://www.romanization.com/chinesenewyear/1900_2099.html this one below which explains all the math calculations..also says goat (if you scroll down) http://chineseculture.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?once=true&site= http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/calendar/chinese.shtml so....goats & sheep are ok......... http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/ thanks.........Julio Rodriguez ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:31:59 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19986] Re: goats & sheep > this one says sheep but the picture looks like a goat ! > http://www.new-year.co.uk/chinese/calendar/sheep.htm > I believe this might be a mountain sheep, native of the SW US and apparently other equally exotic places. Usually called mountain goat by error; the male mountain _sheep_ have the nice large curly spiral horns. They are seen everywhere around here, especially now during the rut, where males often come out mid morning and bash each other in the head trying to knock each other off the cliffs (they hardly ever do). If you go out on a kayak down a quiet canyon on the Colorado, you can hear their typical clashing smacks long before you can see them. Goats have puny (by comparison) straight sticking-up horns; you can see them begging for food and pats on the head at your nearest petting zoo. Actually, we also have goats in the desert around these parts and they are credited with the pristine cleanliness of many of our dry washes--they eat everything. Authorities try to relocate the goats constantly because they are not native to these parts (as opposed to Park Rangers and other humanoids) and compete with the sheep for the tastiest thorny treats. Guess what mine will be? ;-) Ba ------------------------------ From: Sharri LaPierre Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:53:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19987] Re: Baren Digest V21 #2041 I've tried to reach Greg Robison a few times, too. If anyone has heard from him, or if his email has changed, please let me know. Sharri ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:07:49 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19988] Re: What's that you sayyyy Mr. Robison...lalalalalaaa. 11/27/2002 01:13:12 PM Hey ! That sounds like a good name for a movie....or a 60' song {;-) The last communicado I have from Gregory was on 8/18/2002 regarding some barensuji stuff...here is the email id he used then... "Gregory Robison" good luck....Julio Rodriguez ------------------------------ From: Salsbury Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19989] KC sign up sheet. Help! Please. I have tried to sign up for the KC summit but can't seem to find the sign up page. The only link on the front page that I find for the summit is the survey sheet. Yes, I have tried refreshing the page but nothing changes. Thanks for the help. Sue Salsbury Waterloo, Ia. ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:42:40 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19990] Re: KC sign up sheet. 11/27/2002 02:48:00 PM Hi Sue....Julio from Skokie here...go over to the main Baren page http://barenforum.org/ and click on the mountain picture that Mike Lyon put up is top center. That will take you to the information page http://www.barenforum.org/summit/ After reading that...way at the bottom is a link "I AGREE TO THE ABOVE..." click on that to go to the signup Paypal pages and follow the process thru... let us know if you have any problems....Julio ------------------------------ From: Frank Trueba Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:59:09 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19991] Re: goats & sheep Hi all, A couple of weeks ago, we had the very discussion and I did a bit of research and found the following 6 sites calling it the year of the goat--so I'm surely ok with sheep or goats (after all they are both classified as small ruminants). I'm planning a goat card. Below are just a few sites that call 2003 the Year of the Goat (and some sites I've seen also say Year of Sheep/Goat or Goat/Sheep). http://www.chinatoday.com/culture/zodiac/zodiac.htm http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Zodiac/zodiac-sheep-pic.html http://www.babycrazy.net/YearGoat.htm http://www.chinavoc.com/zodiac/goat/year.asp http://www.pacoin.com/coins/modernissue/china/1991goat/goat.html http://www.opengroup.com/oabooks/000/0007131496.shtml frank At 12:04 PM 11/27/2002 -0600, Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com wrote: >Hi Carol...I guess goats are fine....what the heck, does anyone object to >goats for the exchange ? I think it all depends >on which website you go to....most say sheep but..... > >this one says sheep but the picture looks like a goat ! >http://www.new-year.co.uk/chinese/calendar/sheep.htm > >this one says goat.... >http://www.romanization.com/chinesenewyear/1900_2099.html > >this one below which explains all the math calculations..also says goat (if >you scroll down) > >http://chineseculture.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?once=true&site= http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/calendar/chinese.shtml > > >so....goats & sheep are ok......... >http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/ > >thanks.........Julio Rodriguez ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:31:40 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19992] RE: Qs & As I came back from Scottsdale to find a few messages from Baren members. Since they have a common theme and I think some of the info may be of interest to others, I thought I would answer in the forum. As usual, long post and marketing material ahead; delete NOW if not interested. I hope this is not viewed as either gospel or bragging, I'm just sharing my experiences with those that want to know. Also, as further disclaimer, I really just took the plunge to full time art four short years ago, so perhaps I'm still riding the "beginner's luck" wave. All I can tell you is that everything takes work, then more work, and finally a little bit more work yet--glorious and unlimited amounts of work. But hard work pays off, always has, always will. Q: Do I sell from my website? Do I sell online? A: Yes, I do sell from my website; most of the time to people that have seen my work 'in person' at a festival or gallery. But I also get approximately a dozen sales per month on the average from complete strangers. If you are going to use a website as a selling tool, have that magic Buy NOW button by your artwork. If you use your website as a portfolio, your email/contact info will suffice. Helps if you tell little stories about yourself and your prints, I get many comments on those. As some of you know, I also sell on EBay auctions and EBay store and that helps immensely with hits to the website and repeat customers. EBay gets about 2-3 million hits a day; my personal website has 60 thousand hits since conception in October 99. After a lot of art festivals and a few gallery experiences, I'm sold on the concept of selling prints in my pajamas. No matting, no framing, no setting up and breaking down a booth, no blood, no wind, no rain, can stop me baby...ooops, sorry, got carried away. Check it out for yourself; real collectors out there scouring EBay's fine prints categories. Q: How do I get exposure for the website? A: Mostly being out there for a while. Search engine spiders will find you, don't pay anyone to submit to search engines; do it yourself over time with targeted key words in every page. Title your pages; I still find many pages on the web called "untitled." Be patient. Exchange links with everyone that you want to exchange links with. Get on directories. Make a directory: http://www.1000woodcuts.com/links.html ; http://www.1000woodcuts.com/Bookmark.htm I think most importantly, have useful and interesting content on the website that will get visitors interested, like stuff about printmaking. There are a gazillion artists pages that are basically: me-and-my-art. Give visitors something else. Fill your site with information, the web started as an information network and I feel some responsibility to give back for all the nice comments and exposure I get. Teach someone something. http://www.1000woodcuts.com/studio/method.html Q: Do you recommend being represented by a gallery? Do you recommend art festivals? A: Highly. I sell about .5 prints per month from galleries on the average :-) Actually, yes I do recommend galleries highly because people will ask you in festivals or in emails if you "have" a gallery. Be prepared for your work and frames to be tied up for long periods of time without result, but give a gallery a chance to show/sell your work. Also, cooperate with them and don't treat them as the enemy; they have a tough business. On the other hand, they get their inventory free thanks to artists like us, so, IMHO, galleries should really sell a lot more than they do. It takes time to find a gallery that sells your work consistently; don't be afraid to pull out of the ones that don't. Preview the galleries, don't submit blind and don't pay a gallery for space (I tried that too, big mistake). Highly highly highly on the art festivals! I sell about 20-50 prints per art festival. I now go to the good ones and skip the little parking lot affairs, even in my home town. Probably you will need to travel. There is an e-book coming soon to a web site near you on getting started on art festivals. It's a science and an art to make money at these things and you have to be persistent and not give up quickly. It also takes more work, both physical and physical and physical (emotional too), than I ever thought my poor body was capable of doing. But man oh man, how sweet it is to come home with a lighter trailer. Go to some festivals first and see what's out there, make sure there is plenty of high-end fine art. There is really too much to cover, here is a primer: http://www.1000woodcuts.com/Studionotes/artfair/artfair.html Q: How do you find your market? A: Eeek! I dunno...I get out there. Expose yourself; nobody will find you in your studio. Your market will find you when they see you. Figure out who likes your work and hit them over the head with a soft brayer (figuratively speaking, of course) to get their attention. Observe where stuff like your stuff sells, be it galleries, festivals, or perhaps some other venue. Go there. Q: Do competitions and calls for entries "pay off"? A: Depends on the meaning of "paying off." In financial terms, not really, at least not in the present. Rarely do competitive or academic venues sell at their exhibitions; I don't think that is their purpose. But in terms of building a career, a whole balanced career, heck yeah! An artist has to build up a resume. Many galleries and even the better art festivals request a resume. There is a warm fuzzy feeling when a prestigious competition accepts my humble prints for showing to people I will never meet. It's all part of the exposure, all part of the game. You MUST get out there. My overall strategy: try stuff, lots of stuff; keep moving, even sideways; skip the coffee, just get in the damn studio; keep making prints, try to always get better at everything. I'll rest when I'm dead. Health to all, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango 1/1 Las Vegas, Nevada, USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria#mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:00:31 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19993] Advice Maria,...Thanks for the advice. Like a friend of mine told me once, you can sit in your dark studio Phil and wink, but no one will see you do it. I can imagine you at home, you must have "speed marks" following you around the house! Thank you again. I always enjoy your comments and your humor. Philip Hammond, OR USA - ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:14:10 -0600 Subject: [Baren 19994] Re: Happy Birthday Baren !!! 11/27/2002 08:19:31 PM Well, I could not let [Baren's] birthday go by without one last poke at the Fun & Games page..... I tried to setup a really nice countdown counter....to the seconds!.... but looking back in the archives on 11/27/97...I got confused with all the timezones as to what the real time was for the very first post that started it all...perhaps Dave will reminisce a bit later..... Anyju...no countdown...but instead I have given you one last chance to "smooch" Baren to your "hearts" delight and show appreciation for five great years of woodblock interchanges....make sure you smooch long enough to make [Baren] hot & bother ...that usually gets the "fireworks" show going.....(turn the speakers up and hide the pets!) http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/baren/bkiss.html Anyways, enjoy the show, have a good time and post often.....seeya in KC ! thanks for playing along.......Julio Rodriguez ------------------------------ From: "carolwagner" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:03:53 -0800 Subject: [Baren 19995] Baren map Julio, Many thanks for putting me on the map. Isn't the distribution of members interesting? So many clustered on the west Coast! When I saw that marker in Central Asia, I got excited because my youngest son spends a lot of time doing Health campaigns in that area (Measles inoculations, Aids education, and setting up Primary Health Clinics for Women and Children). Then I realized, when I looked closer that there was really no one there! Anyhow, Happy Holidays to you and yours, and to all Bareners and Baronesses...I intend to carve sheep and eat some Turkey with my daughter somewhere at Lake Tahoe. (Yes, I'll take my handy dandy new Lee Valley knife set with us on the trip). Sharrie, you said something about attending a Solarplate class? I accidentally deleted your e-mail and am most interested. A warm welcome to all the new members. Now that we have three Carols on the forum, maybe it is mas importante that we identify ourselves by location? Carol in Sacramento carolwagner#softcom.net ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:26:26 EST Subject: [Baren 19996] Re: Happy Birthday Baren !!! happy birthday baren and happy thanksgiving to all the U.S. bareners georga ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V21 #2042 *****************************