Baren Digest             Tuesday, 25 February 2003     Volume 22 : Number 2141


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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 06:56:02 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20831] Re: Cleaning dried oil based ink on rollers 

How dry is dry??? Try soaking in mineral oil or vegetable oil ... the stuff 
might just soften up. If not ....

Try household ammonia in water ... soak and check periodically to see how 
it is going ... don't want to damage the roller.

Might also try one of the citrus based solvents ... they will remove paint 
... again check carefully to see that you are not damaging the roller. Here 
in Canada, try Organic Orange TKO. Or, check your local bike shop, as they 
frequently carry a citrus based solvent as a degreaser. Bike shops are 
usually more environmentally friendly than auto supply stores, but you 
might also check an auto supply store for a citrus based solvent.

Use nitrile gloves, do not drink the stuff, avoid inhaling the fumes ... etc.

Good luck ...... Charles

At 06:51 AM 2/24/03 +0000, you wrote:

>Robert Canaga (not sure if I spelled your last name right) you mentioned a 
>solvent which you had used to remove dried up oil base ink - What was that?
>Just found a dried up roller in the studio uh-oh.  Any one else found any 
>thing that works?
>
>Kate C
>


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From: John and Jan Telfer <jtelfer#iinet.net.au>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 03 23:55:00 +0800
Subject: [Baren 20832] Re: Goats, Sheep, Rams 

Dear Julio,


>comments:  Hi folks, the page for the 2003 new year cards has been 
>updated...Jan, I will get your print up asap....
>
>http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames.
>html


Thank you Julio.  I went over for a visit yesterday and found mine hadn't 
made it through the gate!  I don't think it was too big to fit through 
especially as the Old Goat had made it! Then I thought you must have gone 
to sleep before you got to mine!! But I know what mine looks like anyway!

They are all so much better in the "flesh"! None shorn I see.  Barbara 
Patera's is so woolly in the flesh it is almost cuddly with the deep 
embossing on that soft white paper.  I look forward to seeing them come 
through my letterbox and am still counting!

Thanks,
Jan

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From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:25:47 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20833] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2140 

Guess my email did not get through.  Being in Mexico brings numerous 
problems.  I asked about the dremel tool so many of yo use.  I have a dremel 
and am lost as to what accessories i wold need to use it for wood carving 
and where to get them.  does anyone know?? This aging hand gives out at 
times.
Marilynn smith



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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:29:53 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20834] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2140 

Sorry for that, post came through but no one answered, so I will.
Dremel bits can be purchased at any hardware store, craft store, art store,
you name it.
I use the wood carving bits, tiny as possible.  I use the tool at the
highest speed, minimizing the fuzzy edges.
Most of all though, I keep my carving tools very sharp and honed so that I
don't need my dremel.  I have carved in Red Oak before with very sharp
tools, smooth as butter.

Daniel L. Dew
Suncoast Equipment Funding Corporation
http://www.suncoastleasing.com
http://www.dandew.com
ddew#tampabay.rr.com

> From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com>


> Subject: [Baren 20833] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2140


> Guess my email did not get through.  Being in Mexico brings numerous
> problems.  I asked about the dremel tool so many of yo use.  I have a dremel
> and am lost as to what accessories i wold need to use it for wood carving
> and where to get them.  does anyone know?? This aging hand gives out at
> times.
> Marilynn smith



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From: ArtfulCarol#aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:49:38 EST
Subject: [Baren 20835] Re: Goats, Sheep, Rams 


jtelfer#iinet.net.au writes:


> http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames


I was too sheepish to admit I couldnt open the site--my computer didnt cut 
it, but at last ..

  YES--  How inventive and entertaining!!  Especially interesting to follow 
the works of many  printers   I know from previous exchanges.

Thank you to all involved.
Carol/NY


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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:01:52 -0600
Subject: [Baren 20836] Re: Goats, Sheep, Rams 


Hi folks....sorry about cutting that last link at the end...you need the 
html part....that's what you get for trying to put up web pages in a 
hurry....

Go to the old sheep info page and follow the link:

http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/

Or to go directly click on this link:

http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames.html


Jan, Monica and Philip...your prints will be up soon....hopefully in a day 
or so...
Seventeen + prints received out of fifty-two........CUT, PRINT !

keep them coming !!!!!

thanks....Julio
ps....can anyone think ahead to....monkeys ????


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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:23:40 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20837] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2140 

Marilynn,

Any place that sells the tools will also sell the bits, though some will 
have a wider selection than others. There will be a variety of cutters for 
wood, plastic, and metal. The ones for metal will work on wood as well. The 
bits consist of a cutter head mounted on a small diameter shaft, about the 
size of a match stick or smaller. You need to watch out for the size of the 
shaft that the cutter head is mounted to. There will be collets available 
(little collars that allow the dremel to clamp onto the shaft holding the 
cutter head) in various sizes ... just be sure you have a collet for each 
size of bit that you buy. If two bits have the same size shaft, just get 
one collet in that size ... no need to have a separate collet for each bit.

The cutter heads are of various sizes, some very small. They are shaped 
like balls, like cones, and like cylinders. Just get a variety and try them 
out to see what works for you.

Cheers ..... Charles

At 08:25 AM 2/24/03 -0800, you wrote:





>Guess my email did not get through.  Being in Mexico brings numerous 
>problems.  I asked about the dremel tool so many of yo use.  I have a 
>dremel and am lost as to what accessories i wold need to use it for wood 
>carving and where to get them.  does anyone know?? This aging hand gives 
>out at times.
>Marilynn smith
>

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From: Daniel Dew <ddew#tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:18:59 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20838] New Baren 

I ordered one of the Matsumura baren's from the Baren Mall and received it
today!
So cool, I want to look online in the BarenForum later and see what is the
best way to treat the thing so that it doesn't become brittle and fall
apart.

By the way, one BIG question: I have big hands and they don't fit that well
under the handle.  Any way to exercise or expand the handle part?



Daniel L. Dew
Suncoast Equipment Funding Corporation
http://www.suncoastleasing.com
http://www.dandew.com
ddew#tampabay.rr.com



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From: "PHARE-CAMP,PATTI (HP-USA,ex1)" <patricia_phare-camp#hp.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:53:45 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20839] RE: Baren Digest V22 #2137 

As to what triggered the dogs to go after my box, I have an idea....Julio
Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)

oooohhhh Julio I haven't laughed out loud at an email since the joke Tia Tel
sent me on Friday...your email put me in mind of a Cheech and Chong
movie...what was the one where they drove a van from Tijuana that
unbeknownst to them was formed from marijuana...are you sure that paper was
hosho and not hemp!  8-D

Patti P-C

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From: "PHARE-CAMP,PATTI (HP-USA,ex1)" <patricia_phare-camp#hp.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20840] RE: Baren Digest V22 #2140 

Gosh!  I thought I was learning something about other types of mediums,
tools and techniques.  Isn't that what we are about?  If we have to worry
about offending someone who doesn't have the same tools than it's going to
inhibit valuable educational dialogue and personally that dialogue is the
exciting thing about this forum that I came for!  No body was bragging about
their toys, they were sharing their tips and experiences with alternative
tools and mediums, no more, no less!  Friends, please don't jump to harsh
judgments...and Maria et al...keep the enriching e-conversations flowing
it's the most priceless learning tool we wood hounds have!  Patti P-C

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From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:27:35 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20841] various 

On puzzle:

The blocks are coming in and they look wonderful! Got John Center's today.
On that same note, Charles Morgan and Phillip Smith, I need the
number/letter in the back of the block you received. This will allow me to
cut another block for Colleen Corradi and send it to her anew.

On marvelous-moku-hanga! I got my Exch 15 prints today...wowo wowoweeowowo
wow! Thanks dearest coordinator! And thank all of you for a great
collection.

Maria

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     Maria Arango
  Las Vegas Nevada USA
  www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: David Bull <davebull#woodblock.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:36:06 +0900
Subject: [Baren 20842] Re: New Baren 

Dan wrote:

> By the way, one BIG question: I have big hands and they don't fit that 
> well
> under the handle.  Any way to exercise or expand the handle part?


You should see the printer Seki-san here ... he has 'lumberjack' 
hands ... great fat fingers like huge sausages. He ties that handle as 
tight as I've ever seen anybody tie it!

The idea is that just the barest tip of your fingers squeeze under the 
edge of that handle. The pressure must come from the _base_ of your hand 
on the baren, and if your fingers slide under too far, you end up 
pressing with the back of your fingers, and that doesn't allow anywhere 
near enough pressure ...

Dave


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From: Charles Morgan <cmorgan#uvic.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:09:33 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20843] Re: various 

Well, since I am a lucky guy, and my first name begins with a "C", there 
obviously was only one choice:

7C

Cheers ...... Charles

At 02:27 PM 2/24/03 -0800, you wrote:

>Charles Morgan and Phillip Smith, I need the
>number/letter in the back of the block you received.



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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:34:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 20844] #15 is here! 



To all who tried hanga for the first time, major congratulations!
To all who struggled with it for the (?)th time, congratulations!
What a nice group of prints! We did it again, conquered that fear
factor and just did it anyway. Thanks for the effort on
everyone's part! I will really treasure these!

Best to all,

Barbara




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From: Cucamongie#aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:04:13 -0500
Subject: [Baren 20845] cutting comments 

Maria, thanks for verbalizing what I have been thinking re the
discussing of cutting tools.  I enjoy hearing all the different
types of tools and processes that people use, and, like you, did
not feel there was any type of competitive attitude going on in
the discussion.  As for the puzzle print, I look forward to
seeing how each person approached the theme and the wood. Also,
out of curiousity -- Maria, how do you plan to print this, will
this be a "car print"?? Here's to further discussion of materials
and processes, keep on printing,

Sarah

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From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)" <maria#mariarango.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:27:28 -0800
Subject: [Baren 20846] Re: various


> Well, since I am a lucky guy, and my first name begins with a "C", there
> obviously was only one choice:
>
> 7C
>
> Cheers ...... Charles


Of course! How silly of me...I should have guessed :-)

> As for the puzzle print, I look forward to
> seeing how each person approached the theme and the wood.
> Also, out of curiousity -- Maria, how do you plan to print this,
> will this be a "car print"??
> Here's to further discussion of materials and processes,
> keep on printing,
> Sarah


No car print THIS time (maybe next time). The design spans across two blocks
22" (55 cm) x 28" (71 cm); each will fit individually on my press bed.
http://www.1000woodcuts.com/puzzle/photos.html
The only challenge I see is getting the paper lined up with the block so
that when the prints are shown side to side the bottom/top margins will be
exactly the same on the left and right panels. A little "kento" sort of a
jig made out of foam board should do the trick.
I plan on gluing the individual blocks and the "web" matrix back in
position, probably to a sheet of 8-ply matboard or maybe masonite. This way
there will be no shifting around of the blocks when inking or printing and
the hairline break between blocks and matrix will remain the same across the
edition.
Other than that, I'm stocking up on black ink and will get the paper
sometime later this year. I'm looking forward to the printing!

Maria

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     Maria Arango
  Las Vegas Nevada USA
  www.1000woodcuts.com
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From: eli griggs <eli_griggs#yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:48:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 20847] Re: Drink Locally 

Hi there:

You can use auto wet/dry papers to sharpen tools quite
well.  Use a spray adhesive on the back of the paper
and mount it onto plate-glass, plexi or scrap
counter-top material, etc.
  You can also glue it to expired plastic phone cards
for portable sharping kits.  The papers can also be
snugged-up around wooden forms and metal 'flashing'
for hones.

Lee Valley/Veritas also offers abrasive sharping
sheets that have adhesive backing or no. 

I have and still use automotive, Veritas and 3M papers
for sharping.  If your printmakers can not afford
waterstone sets right off, they can use a selection of
grits do a very good job of tool sharpening.

Cheers,
Eli


- --- April Vollmer wrote:

> At the Tibetan paper class, I met a tool maker who
> recommended this 3M paper
> for sharpening without investing in expensive
> waterstones. Sounds great for
> teaching. Has anyone used this stuff?



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From: FurryPressII#aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 02:56:05 EST
Subject: [Baren 20848] Re: Drink Locally 

i love my japanese wet stone for sharping when at home but i do my wood cuts 
i a whole number of places were taking a wet stone would be impossible i do 
find a 1200 or 1600 grit wet and dry sandpaper to be an acceptable altertive  
and it works well as a means of touching up a tool esp on the road, train, 
bus or were ever i might be working (even late nite cutting in bed)   now i 
know were my wife gets her ideas for calling my wood chips "you and your 
fornicating woodchips"

john center

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