Baren Digest Thursday, 27 March 2003 Volume 22 : Number 2173 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dwaimon" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:17:31 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21135] posting/press for sale Hello, I have a Polymetaal press for sale: 4 years old/ bed 24" x 47". 5" upper roller. star wheel. $1750. w/blankets contact: dwaimon277#earthlink.net Press is located in CT. ------------------------------ From: "Jean Womack" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:33:38 -0800 Subject: [Baren 21136] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2172 Sorry about the outburst. But it seems to me that to say that the Soviets are good at poster art, so we shouldn't make posters is like saying that the Soviets are good at making helicopters, so we shouldn't have any helicopters, or the Soviet artists have freedom of speech, so we shouldn't have any freedom of speech. Why cripple yourself? The person puts the art out there. He or she won't go to jail for what they say, but he or she may suffer the consquences of community opinion. The quiet, frightened people support our troops. I am speaking from experience. I was never a Vietnam war protester but I was labeled as one. However, I was against that war. But I never marched. I never threw rocks at the police. I never got arrested. I was not in Students for a Democratic Society, although my classmates at Swarthmore were. My ex-husband was a journalist. I was so apolitical that I didn't even read the newspaper every day. We saw anti-war propaganda in Berkeley. I was a young mother with a baby. My baby occupied most of my waking moments. Now he is in the army. And I still support freedom of speech. They said to me so many times, "You were a Vietnam War protester, weren't you?" that I began to agree with them. What was I supposed to do? Yell at them? Denounce them on the internet? Then I saw the kids being arrested in San Francisco and I remembered, hey, I was never a Vietnam war protester. Cut, print. Jean ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie#aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:35:31 EST Subject: [Baren 21137] Vietnam artists Hi all, I'd just like to say that I visited the collection of art by Vietnam veterans, and it is very powerful. When I had my show in 2001 at Woman Made Gallery, a writer-friend of mine who came to the opening happened to be researching the Vietnam war, and it just so happened that the museum(?) housing this collection was right around the corner. Anyone know what this museum is called? At any rate, a collection well worth visiting but you have to be ready for it, it's quite upsetting. best regards Sarah ------------------------------ From: "Jean Womack" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:50:58 -0800 Subject: [Baren 21138] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2172 Let me tell you something about posters. I bought a portfolio of silk screen posters that had been commissioned by the Berkeley Art Center in honor of Indigenous People's Day, the alternative celebration of Columbus day. I hung them up in my art classroom for a critique. One of the students didn't like the posters and on his way out of the classroom he said that he could have a gun at my head. I complained about that threat to the administration. Before I left that job, I showed the major the posters that that ROTC student had objected to. I mean the ROTC major. The next teacher they had, plastered the room from top to bottom with civil rights posters that made my original silk screen prints look like Walt Disney creations. Jean Womack ------------------------------ From: "marilynn smih" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:16:20 -0800 Subject: [Baren 21139] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2171 I love my Praga press. I might have looked at the Dan Patrick if I had known of it, maybe even bought one, I can not say. I bought the press before joining Baren. Yes it has a nice steel bed and yes i do turn it over. But I am the only one using it and doubt i could warp it that much. It sits in a cold studio by the bay, near the ocean and I have yet to see a spot of rust anywhere. If you care for you supplies you will not have a problem with this. if i wanted the counter top type of bed for my press I could easily have one made for it, but why? I paid the shipping costs to the US, but we did not have it shipped, we went to Canada and picked it up. there were no import costs thanks to the NAFTA agreement. It is wise to buy as large a bed on your press as you can manage, you can not make it bigger, but as Charles said you can run small work on a big bed. The Praga people are very nice and easy to work with and they will give you the best exchange rate they can. when I bought mine the prices were in Canadian dollars, I used my credit card as the bank gives you the best exchange rate and was thrilled at the lower cost of this compared to most presses of this quality. Marilynn Smith ------------------------------ From: Charles Morgan Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:56:46 -0800 Subject: [Baren 21140] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2171 Hi Marilynn, Thanks for the information on the Praga press. I feel much better about recommending them now. I would certainly refer anyone who asks to you for your experience. They did look to be well made and a good design. There are many good presses out there, but they tend to be much more expensive than the Praga. One question I have: What is the maximum height above the bed you can raise your roller? My roller can be raised about 2 1/2 inches above the bed, so I can print some pretty thick wood blocks. As I recall, the Praga had a similar maximum height, which is not true of many presses. Cheers ....... Charles At 09:16 AM 3/26/03 -0800, you wrote: >I love my Praga press. I might have looked at the Dan Patrick if I had >known of it, maybe even bought one, I can not say. I bought the press >before joining Baren. Yes it has a nice steel bed and yes i do turn it >over. But I am the only one using it and doubt i could warp it that much. >It sits in a cold studio by the bay, near the ocean and I have yet to see >a spot of rust anywhere. If you care for you supplies you will not have a >problem with this. if i wanted the counter top type of bed for my press I >could easily have one made for it, but why? I paid the shipping costs to >the US, but we did not have it shipped, we went to Canada and picked it up. >there were no import costs thanks to the NAFTA agreement. >It is wise to buy as large a bed on your press as you can manage, you can >not make it bigger, but as Charles said you can run small work on a big bed. >The Praga people are very nice and easy to work with and they will give >you the best exchange rate they can. when I bought mine the prices were >in Canadian dollars, I used my credit card as the bank gives you the best >exchange rate and was thrilled at the lower cost of this compared to most >presses of this quality. > >Marilynn Smith > ------------------------------ From: slinders#attbi.com Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:21:47 -0600 Subject: [Baren 21141] Re: Vietnam artists Hi, Sarah, This is the museum that you visited: 1801 S. Indiana Avenue, Chicago 60616 (312-326-0270) "An unforgettable collection of artwork created by Vietnam Veterans. A display of hundreds of works- many stark, raw, and evocative- by those who served. A permanent collection of contemporary art that bears witness to the experience of war." Sharen Cucamongie#aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, I'd just like to say that I visited the collection of > art by Vietnam veterans, and it is very powerful. >... a collection well worth visiting but you have to > be ready for it, it's quite upsetting. > best regards > Sarah ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V22 #2173 *****************************