Baren Digest Wednesday, 9 April 2003 Volume 23 : Number 2186 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "nancy osadchuk" Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:30:11 -0600 Subject: [Baren 21243] Re:Rejection and next exchange All rejections should be like that! As for the size of the next exchange, The Alberta Printmakers Society had a show last fall with images 2" square. quite amazing and unique images..not all were woodcut, but a good percentage. I would be in favor of a 'mini' exchange anytime. I should mention, I received a second New Year card 'Aries' by Julianne Kershaw..... anyone missing one? I could send it on. Nancy O. ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:42:13 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21244] Re: Editions--again At 09:38 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, Barbara Mason wrote: >Mike, I think we could get a small portfolio, as long as it is not too >small. Sometimes it is more work to make things small...how about 3x4" or >so. Would that be small enough? I will ask Dave, he will know if we can do >this. Is there a standard small size for prints? Lets not get crazy here, >I don't want to work 2x3 inches.......unless it is a part of a larger >image and I just cut it in fourths......How good are your eyes anyway????? >Obviously better than mine! Hi, Barbara... My hands are still very steady and I have good motor skills, but my eyes are not that great -- my right eye sees 'cooler' than my left, I'm nearsighted, and I need to use no. 1.75 reading glasses. For carving, I use no. 4 readers (the most powerful I can find), or a magnifying visor. I think that a magnifying visor, one which gives you 2x or 3x from at least 8" away, might open a whole new world to you! - -- Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:04:17 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21245] Re: About war and peace At 02:44 PM 4/8/2003 +0300, Minna Sora wrote: >Somehow I've got a feeling that works with theme war and peace should be >at least quite american? Or at least most of the works will probably be >like that? Also I'm wondering, is it a must to make 100% woodcuts, or is >a hint of chine colle possible? Dear Minna, Both war and peace pre-date America (the political America, that is), so there need be no American (nor contemporary) flavor in Exchange #17. Chine colle is permissible as are other non-relief printing techniques, so long as our prints are primarily woodcuts (and yes, we also accept lino-cuts, MDF-cuts, Corian-cuts, etc) which is the focus of our BarenForum. The main mission of BarenForum.org is promotion of wood block printmaking, so that ought to be the main technique used in our exchanges, but not necessarily the only technique. Prior exchanges have included wood-block prints which were hand-colored, chine colle'd, laser-printed, etc. - -- Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:30:14 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21246] Re: sheep/goats...mini-exchange More sheep & goats prints now up on the 2003 New Year card website, thanks to Daniel Dew for all the digital scans. I still need a scan for prints by Jan Telfer and Philip Smith, if anyone can send me a jpeg attachment....big thanks... http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames.html Mini-exchange, yeah, yeah !!!! how about 2X3" ? or how about stamp size ? just kidding {;-) Mike, Barbara...I second the use of a good pair of magnifying glasses, I use a 1.75+ for reading fine print and checking out my printing..and I go to a 3.75+ for carving fine details....it is a whole new world ! Sharen, I will try to come out tonight to see Claude's printmaking demo....see ya there. Julio ------------------------------ From: LEAFRUTH#aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:15:05 EDT Subject: [Baren 21247] Re: Baren Digest V22 #2184 Michelle, You could call a hand painted print ( especially if its only one) a monoprint. Ruth http://www.ruthleaf.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 01:58:53 +0900 (JST) Subject: [Baren 21248] Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 Okay, where can I find the list of participants for the goat card?? I think I only sent 39. Thanks, Philip Hammond, OR 97121 ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:07:03 -0400 Subject: [Baren 21249] Re: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 Here you go: http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames.html d. dew >Okay, where can I find the list of participants for the goat card?? I think >I only sent 39. >Thanks, >Philip >Hammond, OR >97121 ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:32:59 -1000 Subject: [Baren 21250] mini-exchange I vote for 2 X 2 or 2 X 3. They could be each mounted on to larger sheets so that a reasonable sized box could be made. Jack R. ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Baren 21251] Re: mini-exchange What about just making the paper size oban but the image size can not exceed 2 x 3"? d. dew > From: Jack Reisland > Reply-To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:32:59 -1000 > To: baren#ml.asahi-net.or.jp > Subject: [Baren 21250] mini-exchange > > I vote for 2 X 2 or 2 X 3. They could be each mounted on to larger > sheets so that a reasonable sized box could be made. > > Jack R. > ------------------------------ From: John and Michelle Morrell Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:48:21 -0800 Subject: [Baren 21252] Thanks for the replies Thank you all for the replies to my question about fiddling around with a print after already setting and numbering an edition. Numbering is probably a silly convention anyway, but we all pick the battles we chose to fight, and I don't chose to fight that one. I liked everything everyone had to say, and was glad to hear from Barbara that it wasn't such a problem. Sharri LaPeire sent me this very practical suggestion directly, which I will be using and thought I would share with the rest since is a truly no-hassle solution: "the simple thing to do is to label the print 1/1 - a monoprint, because that is what it becomes once you change it from the rest of the edition. You don't need to make a new edition unless you intend to do a complete edition in this new manner - but, it doesn't sound like that is what you are doing. This sounds like a one of a kind venture. If it were me, I would use another A/P and make it 1/1 or monoprint, and note on the disclosure that it is hand-colored. Hope that helps." Now why couldn't I think of that? A miniature exchange for #18 sounds great. I've discovered "miniature" has different meanings to different persons, and wonder how many square inches the image size should be. Hanga printers don't seem to have the larger margins preferred by western technique printers, so I am suggesting the size be determined by the image, not the paper, and if a paper size limitation is needed for fitting prints into cases, that could be an additional limitation. Regards, Michelle Morrell jmmorrell#gci.net ------------------------------ From: Sharri LaPierre Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21253] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2185 Minna, I had quite a problem wading through all the gobbledegook and symbols that came through on my computer, but I think I got the gist of your message. :-) I think - I hope - that the war and peace exchange will not be all "pro-war", if that is what you mean by "American." Actually, there are many, many U.S. persons who think this war is a travesty, many more than the polls suggest, I believe. The population is quite divided on this issue. Anyway, there are so many ways to investigate this subject, I think you will be surprised at what comes forth. I would hope we would all dig deep for our responses and not just jump into flag waving, and not just consider the current fracas, but think about the whole issue of war and peace, and it's meaning to civilization. Sharri ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII#aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:01:33 EDT Subject: [Baren 21254] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2185 my print will be pro America and if that bothers anyone to bad i got freedom of speech and art as much as any leftist. John Center ------------------------------ From: Shireen Holman Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:39:39 -0400 Subject: [Baren 21255] SGC conference Hello everyone, I got back from the SGC conference Sunday. It was a wonderful experience - so many prints to see, so many demonstrations, special events, etc. I went to see Barbara Mason's print at the solarplate show. It was a small show at a Unitarian Church. Not many people went because it was out of the way, and the weather was absolutely awful, but it was definitely worth it. Very beautiful prints in a new medium. Congratulations, Barbara! The Chinese woodcut demonstration and show were interesting, too. April described that - we were both surprised to see that these artists are working in some sort of hybrid Eastern and Western method. They use oil-based inks, but print with a tool somewhat similar to a baren. With the oil-based inks it requires a lot of elbow grease - they must all have very sore shoulders, I would think. But the work was quite impressive, and the prints are large. Some of them are mounted on silk and hung like scrolls. Shireen *********************************************** Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist email: shireenh#earthlink.net http://www.shireenholman.com *********************************************** ------------------------------ From: "carolwagner" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21256] More Sheep/Goats Greeting Fellow Bareners and Baronesses, Three more wonderful sheep/goat cards have expanded my flock. From Australia comes Mellissa Read-Divine's curvaceous "Big Merino". From Ireland Sylvia Taylor's whimsical white line cut (on one of my very favorite blue/green colors), and last, but not least!) Carole Baker's bodaciously gorgeous "Mountain Goat" reduction print. You may all wonder why I carry on so whenever I receive new cards? Simply because each card is a new learning opportunity and a celebration of 'The Unity In Diversity' which is a fact in nature for me.( Also I love the anticipation of a print arriving in my mail box instead of advertisements addressed to 'current occupant') I have painted for years and yes, sold a lot of paintings - but printmaking remains an avocation, something I do for the sheer intoxication of attempting something new, something that I haven't yet mastered and perhaps never will... 'cutting and printing in Sacramento', I remain Respectively Yours, Carol W. ------------------------------ From: Cyndy Wilson Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:29:46 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21257] Re: Editions--again > My hands are still very steady and I have good motor > skills, but my eyes are not that great -- my right eye sees 'cooler' than > my left, I'm nearsighted, and I need to use no. 1.75 reading glasses. > -- Mike > Wow! I didn't know that anybody else saw colors differently from one eye to the other. My right eye sees warmer ( slightly more yellow) and the left eye sees cooler (bluish). Interesting. Cyndy Wilson ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne N. Chase" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:33:23 -0400 Subject: [Baren 21258] Re: SGC conference Shireen Thanks for putting your website at the end of your e mail. I think that if the sender adds his/her site it would be a great advantage to all of us. I know that I am always curious about the printmakers in our group and do not always have the time or inclination to look them up . Just the convenience of clicking on the various members sites is a real bonus. A good practice to start!!! Nice work Shireen!! Jeanne N. - ---------------------------------- email; studiojnc#prodigy.net http://www.jeannenormanchaseart.com there , I started what I hope will happen now. ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:03:00 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21259] Re: you say....miniature hanga prints Someone mentioned miniature & hanga all in one sentence and I remember the tiny "nafuda" prints that David put up on the website a while back....these are a mere 4X6 cm....tha't right centimeters !!!! NOT inches....take a closer look these 1.5X2.3" prints....they are real beauties! http://www.barenforum.org/mall/special.html Disclaimer: The above message is not intended as a plug for the Barenmall {;-) thanks...Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois) ps..ok Jeanne..you now got me doing it too ! website: http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/micasa.html ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:09:05 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21260] Re: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 Thanks Dan,....seems to be a glitch somewhere, could you repost that address again. Philip ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:10:41 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21261] Re: goat/sheep address Hi Phillip...this is not Dan, but here is the link you re-requested...you can get to the particpants list from there. I usually include this link in all the "Goats/Sheep" email updates. http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/blacksheep/snames.html thanks...Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois) Website: http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/micasa.html ------------------------------ From: Ruth Temple Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21262] Re: Editions--again Cyndy Wilson quoth: > My hands are still very steady and I have good motor >> skills, but my eyes are not that great -- my right eye sees 'cooler' than >> my left, I'm nearsighted, and I need to use no. 1.75 reading glasses. >> -- Mike >> > > Wow! I didn't know that anybody else saw colors differently from one eye to > the other. My right eye sees warmer ( slightly more yellow) and the left > eye sees cooler (bluish). Interesting. > > Cyndy Wilson > How wonderful to have a name for it! My eyes see the same way as yours, Cyndy. - -Ruth Temple a new Baren lister, mostly listening to start ------------------------------ From: Louise Cass Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:43:11 -0400 Subject: [Baren 21263] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2185 WELL SAID SHARRI!! Louise C. At 11:49 AM 4/8/03 -0700, you wrote: >Minna, > >I had quite a problem wading through all the gobbledegook and symbols >that came through on my computer, but I think I got the gist of your >message. :-) I think - I hope - that the war and peace exchange will >not be all "pro-war", if that is what you by "American." Actually, >there are many, many U.S. persons who think this war is a travesty, >many more than the polls suggest, I believe. The population is quite >divided on this issue. Anyway, there are so many ways to investigate >this subject, I think you will be surprised at what comes forth. I >would hope we would all dig deep for our responses and not just jump >into flag waving, and not just consider the current fracas, but think >about the whole issue of war and peace, and it's meaning to >civilization. > >Sharri > > > http://www.LCassArt.com ------------------------------ From: eli griggs Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baren 21264] sumi ink Hi there: This last week, I bought a pint of gin and eight or ten sumi sticks and brought them together, making the most wonderful black mud you ever did see! O.K., so I have to ask, what the heck do I do now? Should I add some starch, (what kind?) to the mix, dilute it with more gin, (I still have a sip or two left) or should I just add water as needed? Regards, Eli ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V23 #2186 *****************************