Baren Digest Friday, 11 April 2003 Volume 23 : Number 2189 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shireen Holman Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:21:20 -0400 Subject: [Baren 21296] Re: SGC conference Thanks, Jeanne, Since you've included your web address, I looked at your site, too. Good work! I also like your backyard picture! Shireen At 04:33 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Shireen > >Thanks for putting your website at the end of your e mail. I think that if >the sender adds his/her site it would be a great advantage to all of us. >I know that I am always curious about the printmakers in our group and do >not always have the time or inclination to look them up . Just the >convenience of clicking on the various members sites is a real bonus. A >good practice to start!!! >Nice work Shireen!! > >Jeanne N. > >---------------------------------- >email; studiojnc#prodigy.net >http://www.jeannenormanchaseart.com > >there , I started what I hope will happen now. *********************************************** Shireen Holman, Printmaker and Book Artist email: shireenh#earthlink.net http://www.shireenholman.com *********************************************** ------------------------------ From: Cyndy Wilson Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 09:53:26 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21297] Re: seeing light differently I don't know if it's common or not. I have mentioned this to friends and family on several occasions and they look at me with that sort of indulgent look they reserve for me when I do eccentric things or act artsy. This is the first group of folks I've encountered who see color this way. Cyndy Aqua4tis wrote: >now youve all got me wondering i have severe astigmatism in my right eye >and now i see basically shapes and light out of it thank goodness my left >eye is good anyway i checked and things have almost a yellow look to them >out of my right eye >i guess that means the color in that eye looks a bit warmer i wonder if >this is a common thing?? >georga ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:33:07 EDT Subject: [Baren 21298] Re: seeing light differently maybe its an artist thing??? ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21299] Re: cateracts and seeing yellow At 06:10 PM 4/9/2003 -0700, you wrote: >You probably have a cataract in your right eye. I've heard that Van Gough >saw yellow and that's why he used that wonderful yellow in his >paintings. I was shocked after Cataract surgery to find that I saw a >white wall bright white with my left eye and yellow with my right. Check >with your optometrist. Bea Thanks, Bea -- nope -- no cataracts for me (yet) -- I get 'em checked annually... A few years ago I read an interesting book by an MD teaching at KU who diagnosed Vincent Van Gogh (and his younger sister, older brother, and mother) as completely sane but suffering a rare and severe genetic blood disorder (I've forgotten the name) which causes both seizures with convulsions and a craving for terpenes. By the way, he called that craving a "pica". As part of his analysis, the author presented convincing evidence that people naturally become increasingly insensitive to the color yellow as they age, so there's a tendency for elderly painters (he presented a number of examples -- I've also forgotten these) to use more and more yellow in order to compensate... Supposedly the blood disorder exacerbates visual insensitivity to yellow. This reminds me of my ex-wife's grandmother who, as she aged, added more and more salt to her cooking -- she thought it oh so delicious, but the rest of us had burning mouths after only a bite! :-) Mike Mike Lyon mailto:mikelyon#mlyon.com http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: "Phare-Camp" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21300] RE: Baren Digest V23 #2188 This is a test of the Phare-Camp broadband system. I am hoping that this time I got it right; hoping email I am posting from is now matching the email I subscribed under! I have been away for a little while; I'm no longer at HP. If you haven't been sleeping then you know how bad things are in the tech industry right now. I only hope my graphics background will give me an edge over all the other job hunting dot.comers...there are not a lot of secretaries out there that can design your corporate image, publish reports and type 65 wpm! I've also been dealing with worry over my soldier son. We finally heard from him on Friday and he is well. You can, I hope, understand my reluctance to entangle myself in debates on war. Though I am not for any war, I do support my son and all the other young men and women who have sacrificed much. Personally it's my belief that until I've reached sainthood it's not my place to place judgement on anyone. And well, when I've reached sainthood I will probably have better things to think of...(no grandious goals here ;-} I've created a baby steps web page. www.imp-s.com Used the earthlink template. Figure as long as I'm paying for it I need to publish something until I can put together something more creative. I'll be using an old version of Adobe Pagemill. It's not quite as user friendly as the MS Frontpage I used at work, sigh, so I will probably remember all those words I learned in the army. I sure hope you more experienced webbers will be forthright with tips and advice and critic and guidance. Well I now do have lot-o-time to finish my exchange 16 block (it's nearly done, you can view it at my web page. As well as a sample of other works. This baby page will have to do until I complete my MUSEUM OF ME! Patti Phare-Camp ------------------------------ From: Sharri LaPierre Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:38:48 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21301] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2188 Minna, To answer your question about the destruction of archeological sights in Iraq: politics aside for the moment meaning leave your love or hate for Saddam Hussein in waste basket -( I know of no one outside, his family maybe, who has or had any love for this man), one of my major fears from this war was the possible destruction and irretrievable loss of archeological information forever. According to the pros, most of Iraq is relatively flat and therefore every mound probably holds a wealth of artifacts and information. Since this was the Cradle of Civilization, there is so much there to learn, and very little of it has been excavated. If it hasn't been blown to smithereens, maybe we will find some wonderful equivalent of the rosetta stone there, yet! Meanwhile, some of us have shared your concerns. As for the loss of Stalinist, Leninist, Communist, or Nazi art. The loss of all art is deplorable. Art very often gives us the best clues about various points in history. All history is written from some individuals point of view, no matter how factual it appears, and the artwork from that period, and that generated by its hierarchy, can often get closer to the truth than the literature. The posters from the various era's, mostly done by printmakers, often contain mucho information about that society. Sorry if this message doesn't stick strictly to the woodblock discussion - maybe a lot of that art destroyed was woodblock prints! Does that count? Sharri ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21302] Re: congrats Mike etc Thanks for this link, Mike! I found a copy of a little print I bought (very inexpensively) on e-bay. It's the "Peony" print-a pink peony with a little protective tent over it to protect it from the snow. I'm really happy to find out who the artist was. Thanks for the inspiration. Wanda on 4/9/03 7:06 AM, Mike Lyon at mikelyon#mlyon.com wrote: > At 09:00 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >> I also really enjoyed the Hishiki prints... there was one that looked sort >> of like a cross between a bear and an owl that I particularly liked (on >> the third webpage listed) - thanks for sharing those with us. > > Here are some more beautiful little prints -- 66 of them! Each is about 2" > x 2 7/8", from about 1930 by Hiroaki Shotei... The link is long, so be > sure you copy the whole thing into your browser window! > http://www.floatingworld.com/docs/cat_Results.asp?wrk%5FExhibition=HiroakiMini > &wrk%5FPAG=1&wrk%5FPAGSize=66 > ------------------------------ From: "Ramsey Household" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:04:03 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21303] Re: ruining western civilization What does this have to do with being against war? Please do your ranting after 5. Carolyn From: > Such great Stalinist art was lost today ;-) I am happy for that. > Just as many were happy when nazi art was destroyed as well as Stalinist work > as well. Being an artist does not mean I have to love the scum of the earth > like Joe Stalin, Hitler or Saddam. > > How much artistic freedom existed in Iraq before today? Very little I would > say. Just as the oppression has gotten worse in Cuba today. > > John Center > > > ------------------------------ From: FarwellSF#aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:06:10 EDT Subject: [Baren 21304] Please remove me from your email listing ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Baren 21305] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2188 "...Since this was the Cradle of Civilization, there is so much there to learn, and very little of it has been excavated. If it hasn't been blown to smithereens, maybe we will find some wonderful equivalent of the rosetta stone there, yet!" Since the next print exchange is "War & Peace" and since we been talking about "eyesight problems" ... I won't be too off-subject here in my post {;-) Patti, good wishes for you and a quick and safe return for your son and all others in harms way. I think most of us "see" the Iraq conflict from different perspectives and with entirely different rationale. Cool, but I find it hard to believe that the US & UK military in their three week Grand-Prix-like dash to Baghdad (even with the heavy strategic bombing) could have done as much damage to the landscape as 20+ years of a dicatorship whose long lasting "remains" will be the miles and miles of gigantic bunkers and secret passages "excavated" into the land. Talk about lost archeological treasures !!!!.....department-store sized bunkers and tunnels dug right under the oldest cities and palaces in the world.... possibly lost forever enough artifacts to fill several museums..gone!!!..... why didn't the pro's complain about that ??????? Or complain about the scud missiles sent flying into Israel's ancient cities during the Gulf War ? Why did they not go to Iraq and stop the digging of the bunkers ? Maybe now they will....maybe now they finally can....{;-) Did you guys see the video footage..... the faces of the children freed from prisons ? Did you see the torture chambers ? Did you see the hundreds of bodies found in a warehouse ? Does the UN needs to pass yet another resolution to condemn these acts ? (they probably will !) Did you see the people celebrating in the streets and greeting the soldiers ? Did you see the smiling faces ? the dancing in the streets ? the children kissing the coalition soldiers ? Yesterday, after watching the developments in Baghdad, I spent the whole day with a sense of accelaration and excitement, my heart was racing the entire day, hard to explain, it felt good, close to what you feel when you are about to get married or when your kids are born, but in a different kinda way.......I have only felt this way twice before....once when the Berlin wall came down in the 90's and the cold war ended.... and back in 1968 - when my family was finally allowed to leave Cuba and a plane took us to the United States. Freedom.....such a magnificent thing...we just don't appreciate it enough and so often take it for granted......it is what a lot of the rest of the world wishes for....it is why the coalition is in Iraq.... our freedom and their freedom....it's what the Iraki people dancing in the streets is all about. Ask them...they'll tell you about their special day...... Julio ps......and speaking of seeing yellow....folks, bad news....I understand the condition will worsen and it will eventually go to your other eye too....just ask the Republican Guards in Iraq....they are seeing yellow out of both of their eyes now. ------------------------------ From: FurryPressII#aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:55:49 EDT Subject: [Baren 21307] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2188 sorry to me nazi or stalinist art should be on the dust bin of history it is too blood soked to be called art but murders propaganda. Hitler was a artist but i would gladly burn any of his paintings. And the act of burning it to me would be art. An art of peoples liberation from hate and murder. john center ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:41:11 -1000 Subject: [Baren 21308] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2188 Whoa now everybody. A: I don't care who started it, now, but this stuff has nothing to do with wood block printing, and so should at best be on After-Five, and B: While you may feel personally compelled to respond to one-another's postings, is clearly divisive, and not in keeping with the aim of harmony we would like to maintain here on Baren. There is a wide range of points of view on the current events in the Middle East, but this is not really the best place to air them. Hey, how 'bout those "limited edition" ink jet prints? ;<) Jack R. ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:25:32 EDT Subject: [Baren 21309] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2188 hitler tried his hand at art but he was bad at it ------------------------------ From: Cyndy Wilson Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:01:12 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21310] Re: ruining western civilization Minna writes: "(BTW, Does anybody feel pity for ruining the cradle of western civilization, last traces of Mezopotamian and Babylonian cultures?)" Yes, it was such a sorry sight seeing all those statues of Saddam topling over this morning....a real true loss for the art world and culture of the region. Julio Rodriguez {;-) LOL!! Cyndy ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:09:55 -1000 Subject: [Baren 21311] Re: ruining western civilization Hey you kids! I mean it! Don't make me stop this car! Jack ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis#aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 21:11:13 EDT Subject: [Baren 21312] Re: ruining western civilization please everyone i agree with jack georga - ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 19:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21313] Re: ruining western civilization Please everyone - you may express your feelings about the war - and all of you have behaved *so* well so far that I hesitate to even say anything - but remember, everyone is allowed their own opinion and be respectful of that opinion. My opinion is that no one will know the whole truth until 100 years from now. I'm hoping the "War and Peace" theme for this next (now?) exchange will have some deep thinking and wonderful revelations contained in the work. I don't think anyone will concentrate on the surface of this theme. I'm looking forward to seeing how each and every one involved in it will produce something magnificent and thought provoking. Funny, isn't it? The best exchange has always been the one just finished? I don't know about the rest of you, but I think being involved in these exchanges just forces you to get better and better. Both at coming up with an interesting interpretation and an interesting/beautiful/humorous/ well crafted (dare I say that?) print. Now, I'm going back out to the studio - and I'll hear no talk of censorship or throwing stones at each other. :-) Just be considerate and caring of each other - like we've nearly always been! Wanda Baren Forum moderator ------------------------------ From: "Jean Womack" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Baren 21314] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2188 I am pretty sure I don't have cataracts. I go to the opthamologist once a year. He says I have glaucoma. That's bad enough. I take drops twice a day. The other day I identified a kid as, "That kid in the gray shirt." The teaching assistant told me, "That's not gray. That's a blue shirt." I am not seeing colors very well anymore. What causes that? Also, the kitchen seems darker and darker. I have to turn on the flourescent light to see very well. The incandescent bulb is not enough. I have though maybe my eyes are being affected by the bright light of the computer screen. Maybe thie pupil is not as responsive as it once was. Jean Womack > You probably have a cataract in your right eye. I've heard that Van > Gough saw yellow and that's why he used that wonderful yellow in his > paintings. I was shocked after Cataract surgery to find that I saw a > white wall bright white with my left eye and yellow with my right. > Check with your optometrist. Bea ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V23 #2189 *****************************