Baren Digest                Friday, 6 June 2003        Volume 23 : Number 2251


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From: "Jean Womack" <jeaneger#jeaneger.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:29:03 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21714] Re:   Baren Digest V23 #2250 

There is something missing from this discussion of papers.  That is the
principle of creativity.  Gauguin cut his woodcuts on pine.  They are not
cut with precision.  No one knows what kind of paper he printed them on.  If
you are waiting for the prescribed paper, you may be waiting forevr.  No one
can be so proper, so right, so conforming to what is expected, and still be
creative.  You have to make prints with whatever materials are available.
That was my first lesson from my artist friend Jack Richard.  I think about
that when I plan lessons for my students.  I think about teaching to use
what materials are easily available, like grocery bags, for example.  That
way, they won't be prevented from communicating through  art when they are
broke and can't buy Yamaguchi paper.

I, personally, have a lot of respect for Speedball.  They provide a
non-toxic product of consistent quality appropriate for grade-school
children.  If it weren't for Speedball, there would probably be no
printmaking at all in the lower grades, then where would we be?  No one
would
ever have heard of printmaking at all.

Similarly, the Native Americans drew pictures on ledger paper.  Our students
can draw pictures on binder paper, if they want.  You don't have to have any
special paper for relief prints.  Only if you like it and you have the money
to buy it.  I say look through all the papers available and try a few before
you settle on one you like. Of course, I am not making a living selling
prints, either, so what do I know?  Graham was selling Yamaguchi paper, I
think.  He stressed the point of cutting the paper where it fits into the
kentos and leaving the rest with a deckle or torn.  He said that is what
collectors like to see.  I hope he has a good boot camp this summer.

Jean Womack


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From: "marilynn smih" <marilynnsmih#hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:08:55 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21715] Re: Baren Digest V23 #2250 

I should think a good print has something to do with experience.  One gets 
used to a certain ink , paper, type of wood, etc. and that experience 
provides a good print.  So if you are used to speedball and get good results 
than I would stick.  It is not the ink, paper or wood that makes good art it 
is the artist.  But good supplies sure help to give good results.  So do 
sharp tools!  I did it, i sharpened a tool and it sure works better, I am a 
beginner learning a lot just by doing.
Marilynn in sunny Nahcotta Washington


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From: Julio.Rodriguez#walgreens.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Baren 21716] Re: celtic horses, goats & sheep and Calendar 2004 Update 

Got a beautiful celtic horse print in the mail from our youngest forum 
member Meagan Dew. Love the way she designed around the horse........Great 
job !!!!

While the steady stream of goats & sheep cards has pretty much completely 
dried up  {;-(  remember that signup for next year's 'monkeys' is only a 
few months away....while it may seem like an enormous job to print 50-60 
cards at one time...they can always be printed and mailed in smaller 
batches....Cut ! Print !

Speaking of enormous jobs....the Calendar 2004 project is now fully into 
it's second month, some supplies have been ordered and paper stock will be 
here shortly....so far two prints have arrived and they are beauties !  We 
now have all the months for each calendar type assigned and I am taking 
names for a possible waiting list.  Prints need to be in by September 
15th. 

Remember, unlike a regular Baren exchange, if you drop from a calendar 
assignment we will need a replacement as obviously we must have at least 12 prints per 
calendar. So....no dropping out at the last minute....please !!!!!

Here again are the final month assignments for the different calendars: 
(Postcards are not assigned months!)


PAGE Calendar - Open Theme (40 prints needed) 7.5"Width X 10"Height (image 
orientation along the vertical or height), please leave approx. 1" open at 
top edge for binding. Please stick to this paper dimension to avoid 
discrepancy and possible trimming. 

 
Julio Rodriguez - March 
Maria Arango - April 
Wanda Robertson - May 
Thea Bendix - June 
Gilda Machado-Zimmerling - October 
Richard Campbell - November 
Bobbie Mandel - January 
Sharri LaPierre - August 
Myron Turner - September 
Patti Phare-Camp - July
Bea Gold - December
Margaret Szvetecz - February

****waiting list is open !!!! 



POSTCARD Calendar - Open Theme  (4x6") print size, any orientation ok 
*we will need 45 prints from each participant (or more if you are willing 
!) 

Carol Gilbert-Wagner 
Wanda Robertson 
Kat Pukas 
Barbara Mason 
Jean Eger Womack 
Dave Bull 
Carol L. Myers 
Mellissa Read-Devine 
Richard Campbell 
Louise Cass 
Patricia B. Phare-Camp 
Bobbie Mandel 
Bea Gold 
Jan Telfer 
Bette Wappner 
Julio Rodriguez 
Gayle Wohlken - October 
Maria Arango 
Lezle Williams 
Frank Trueba 
Suzi Sutherland-Martin 
Carole Baker 
Monica Bright
Dina Cody - May 

*** signup for POSTCARD format will remain open 


PRINTS-only Calendar - "Landscapes" (40 prints needed), prints will be attached to an 11"W X 14"H 
blank calendar sheet. The month info will be pre-printed by the project 
coordinator on the reverse of the sheet using a laser printer. Max 
paper/image width size for print is 8" and max height size is 11". Minimum 
width size is 6" and minimum height size is 9". Any size format within 
those ranges is acceptable (ex. 6"W  X 11"H ). 

Gilda Machado-Zimmerling - May 
Ray Hudson - October 
Joe Sheridan - April 
Mary Jane Bohlen- February 
Wanda Robertson - March 
Jean Eger Womack - July 
Richard Campbell - December 
Frank Trueba - September   
Ruth Leaf - January 
Carol Gilbert-Wagner -August 
Carol L. Myers - November 
Louise Cass - June 

*entries for waiting list : Barbara Mason, Julio Rodriguez 



PRINTS-only Calendar - "Nudes" (40 prints needed), prints will be attached 
to an 11"W X 14"H blank calendar sheet. The month info will be pre-printed 
by the project coordinator on the reverse of the sheet using a laser 
printer. Max paper/image width size is 8" and max height size is 11". 
Minimum width size is 6" and minimum height size is 9". Any size format 
within those ranges is acceptable ( ex. 6"W X 11"H). 

Mike Lyon - January 
Barbara Mason - February 
Barbara Patera - April 
Tony Redman - June 
Cyndy Wilson - July 
Jan Telfer  - May 
Julio Rodriguez - March 
Sharri LaPierre - September 
Jeanne N. Chase - October 
Patricia B. Phare-Camp - November 
Bobbie Mandel - December 
Marilynn Smith - August 

*waiting list is open 


If I left anyone out or if there are any mistakes in your preferences or 
you have any questions feel free to post to the list or email off-list at 
calendar#barenforum.org Send your prints to: 

Julio Rodriguez 
3801 Dobson 
Skokie, Illinois 
USA  60076 

Please send along with your prints enough money to cover return-shipping 
for your calendar. 

CUT, PRINT !!! 

thanks....Julio Rodriguez  (Skokie, Illinois)

 

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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:23:19 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21717] message from April Vollmer 

Another one that majordomo has diverted from it's proper course:

I just wanted to say that Speedball ink and Rives paper are NOT traditional
Japanese materials! and the beauty of moku hanga (Japanese for "wood
printing") is in the use of proper materials that respond to the printing
process. 

Speedball is a waterbase ink that was designed to imitate the stickiness of
oilbase roll-up ink. It is not appropriate for the Japanese technique. Sumi
ink not only works better, it's cheaper, too! See the nice thick stuff at
Baren Mall. Why would anyone use anything else?

best,

April
www.aprilvollmer.com


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From: Cucamongie#aol.com
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 19:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Baren 21718] inky stuff 

thanks for the info about leather printing, John, I'll have to try that sometime!
Sharri, what is the "Graphic Chemical equivalent of Miracle Gel"?
Up til now I have done woodblocks only hanga-style, but now that I'm doing a lot of solarplates and have a bunch of etching ink around plus am a keyholder at Lower East side printshop, I'd like to try printing some woodblocks using etching ink.
As for speedball, I can only echo Sharri's comment.  Dan, sometime you've got to try some better ink, your prints are so beautiful already but they'd be even more incredible if you used better ink.  Just try it, I think you'll like it!
happy printing!
Sarah

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From: b.patera#att.net
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:52:50 +0000
Subject: [Baren 21719] Re: Reetching ink for woodcuts???? 

Hi Georga,

I don't like to alter the inks I use, so try to find ones that work right from 
the tube. Have found that the Charbonelle etching inks are just about perfect. 
These inks are a little more expensive,than say the Dan Smith inks, but give 
much better coverage... a little ink goes a long way. Also they aren't goopy 
and make the right sound on the inking plate almost immediately. 

The Charbonelle inks also come in some wonderful colors. Had been using oil 
paint for some of my mono prints but found that they needed alot of whiting 
added or the oil bled out. Sorry if I sound like a commercial but these inks 
are great.

Barbara P.


 

> barbara used etching ink on a woodcut?   do you need to alter the ink for 
> this?   im asking because i have that same etching ink
> thanks
> georga



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From: Wanda <robertson#canby.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:23:05 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21720] message from Patti P-C 

Here is a message from Patti P-C:

Howdy fellow carvers!

I know I've been pretty quiet lately, been workin' the keyboard.  I just
updated my web site...total revamp.  I sure would appreciate any comments,
advice and, if you must, irks (regarding the page, not life).  I did include
a link to the Baren page and to Maria's page (she has such great information
on collecting).

If any of you would like for me to include a link to your page in my next
update e me a word.

Now, I must start cutting my calendar prints!

Patti P-C
www.imp-s.com


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From: Aqua4tis#aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:00:04 EDT
Subject: [Baren 21721] Re: Re etching ink for woodcuts???? 


barbara p and everyone
   thanks for replying to my question about the etching inks   this is 
wonderful news because i have some charbonnel etching inks      woo hoo
georga


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From: <Philip238#copper.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:47:07 -0700
Subject: [Baren 21722] inks

Inks, well oil based inks at any rate,...has anyone
tried commercial printing inks? Sense I only use black
it's all I can comment on. I think they are great,
really black as pitch and pretty easy to work and they
print on anything. Just give your local printing supply
a call, they'll fix you up!

And Patti, your red "IT" clown is excellent, to bad the
movie didn't come up to your high standards.
Good luck,
Philip, Hammond, OR


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From: Barbara Mason <barbaramason45#yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:54:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 21723] inks 


Commercial inks have modifiers in them, driers and stuff....I
think generally they will work but the regular ink for
printmaking works better. Actually, whatever you use you learn to
use, so that is why each person has a favorite. You just train
yourself to do what the ink needs. Best to all,
Barbara 

Philip238#copper.net wrote: 
>Inks, well oil based inks at any
>rate,...has anyone tried commercial printing inks? Sense I only
>use black it's all I can comment on. I think they are great,
>really black as pitch and pretty easy to work and they print on
>anything. Just give your local printing supply a call, they'll
>fix you up!



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