Today's postings

  1. [Baren 24134] puzzle update ("Maria Arango")
  2. [Baren 24135] ink questions,etc (L Cass)
  3. [Baren 24136] Re: (no subject) ("MPereira")
  4. [Baren 24137] Ghost Busters (Robert Swain Charles)
  5. [Baren 24138] Lurker Checking in ("tony & linda")
  6. [Baren 24139] exchange 19 (FurryPressII #
  7. [Baren 24140] Re: late lurkers (b.patera #
  8. [Baren 24141] Re: Active Bareners ("Julianne Kershaw")
  9. [Baren 24142] Re: late lurkers (Darrell Madis)
  10. [Baren 24143] exchange ideas (Bette Norcross Wappner)
  11. [Baren 24144] Re: Active Bareners (Sharri LaPierre)
  12. [Baren 24145] cards exchange ("Colleen Corradi Brannigan")
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Message 1
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:05:12 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24134] puzzle update
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Speaking of puzzles :-)

I am constructing the colophon for the puzzle project as we speak. Many
of you send me details of your print, many of you did not. If you would
like anything about your image published in the colophon, please send
your details to:

I will wait until the weekend, Sunday is the drop-dead deadline for
colophon entries for the puzzle project. If you don't know if you sent
it, send it again. Or you can check your block enlargement page from
here and see if there is anything in there:

Here is the main puzzle page (not updated):


PS Ely's got the answer! We love this place...

Maria Arango
Las Vegas Nevada USA
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Message 2
From: L Cass
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24135] ink questions,etc
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Hi Bareners-

I'm hard at work printing my monkeys and hope to get them out by the 15th!
but I'm having problems with some old? Graph Chem water base ink. Does
anyone know how long these inks should keep ? I'd bought a tube of brown
(which I insist on using for some of the monkeys) about 18 months ago at
Praga who were selling them off - preferring to stock only the large cans
so I don't know how long the brown might have been in stock. With the
addition of Water Soluble Vehicule it more or less rolled out and went onto
the block but did get thick, dry and somewhat granular rather quickly. Why
didn't I go out and buy a fresh tube?? I have cans of other colours; am
miles away from suppliers of Grah Chem stuff and hate to waste anything.!

Have also used a rather strange piece of wood for the block ( tilleuil or
Linden which is even softer than pine) bought at a crummy art supply store
that doesn't know where it came from but it was obviously intended for
woodcut (size and thickness etc) Has anyone ever used this wood?? Again I
didn't want to waste it so altho' my Monkey king won't be perfect it's a
fun design.

Incidentally is everyone famiiar with the tale of the Monkey King or
Journey to the East ?- I wasn't until I researched our beautiful new
Canadian stamps but that's another story! (which I'll relate when the cards
go out)

Again I'm enjoying all the new arrivals - Ray Hudson, I do admire your
bookish one - he looks as if he's out in the snow and feeling a little

Louise Cass
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Message 3
From: "MPereira"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:26:06 -0200
Subject: [Baren 24136] Re: (no subject)
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to all bareners,

I am one that subscribe to exchange 19 and in January got off.
I feel very sorry if my "no-action" have made some barener unhappy.
when i signed i didn't understand that i could be taking someone's place in
I did it others exchanges, too.
it was irresponsbility, i agree.
i know i am not a professional like the majority baren members
at sixty two i am still learning how to be one.
I subscribe to barenforum because i have a BFA in Engraving
I loved to participate in exchange 16, the prints are wonderful,
and i have a treasure here in my hands, thanks to sharen linder,
from whom i will be always a debtor
so when i signed for 19 i was thinking in having again the pleasure
to have one more time in my hands an international collection of
prints of knowing artists
the theme shunga also interested me
but you see, i start to research about it but didn't find much material
i wrote to baren asking, discussing the theme, i had very few answers,
and even these send me to see shunga in some sites.
you know i went but it was always the same and i didn't find what i
had in mind
at the same time i begun to work for a possible great exposition here
with Narriman Chede from the journal "O Estado" and have left the
exchange by side
i forgot either that in summer here - december and january - the two
places that have xulografic presses are in hollydays - and only in february
it will be able to press
so i will late the exchange for almost one month
i was scared about it and wrote to Mike Lyon in the middle of january
and i get off - it was a suffering for me to do this - but i was going crazy
with the theme and the time
you know that a very fine gallerits from here asked me to show shunga
at the same time sometimes ,
many times i don't quite understand the language
but there is no excuse....
i was a coward doing this......forgive me

mike lyon, so gentle and noble as usually accepted
my apologize but at the same time he suspend me
to subscribe for an exchange for one year -
i think it is so much time!!!! -
so as you see the coordinator doesn't sleep.

since january 2000 i am a baren member
and i think that barenforum site and david bull should win
a prize for the work they do in the web
so as others activs baren members

i think that an active baren member is that one that works
for baren to continue his "saga" through history like
mike, julio, maria arango, babaras p and m, wanda, who else?

i like to be here

please don't drop me away.

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Message 4
From: Robert Swain Charles
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24137] Ghost Busters
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What if folks that signed up for a *theme* exchange were folks that already
met the deadline in a *non-theme* exchange? That would certainly prove the
existence of a member. It seems that the exchange with theme is worked
specifically *for* the exchange while those of non-theme could possibly be
considered by folks to be back burner stuff, ya' know, "I been workin' on
something...perhaps I'll print that up for the Bareners..."

What if the swapshop was used as proof of existence? This way a person could
sign for an exchange (if they *have* prints) right away. The swap shop would
also become more active (I have no idea how active that is-plan on
contributing there myself). A person that has not tried to make a print
would get a good idea by pulling a set of ten or so. A person that has made
a print could send what they have done. It would give a "face" to a member
and break some barriers for getting to know folks. The question/answer would
be more active here on the forum.

The phone number thing is a good idea. The coordinator would be the only one
with the phone number and the member would not have to go through hoops
similar to what I have purposed above. The drawback here is that some folks
could be weirder about giving a phone number than they are about the web
address. Reverse lookup and all that stuff. This could be an optional way to
avoid the hoops(?). No prints and it is an exchange with a theme-give it up

I like the ultimate power of the coordinator to terminate "ghosts" (D. Dew)
and assign waiting list members. Who ya gonna call? J. Sheridan!
"Vampires" is a good name too. Rasta use this term for folks that suck your
energy, your love-'blood clots' in the flow of your life. Then the
coordinator would be a Fearless Vampire Killer. (Bad Brains)

I'm not bothered by waiting. Not right now anyway. ;)
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Message 5
From: "tony & linda"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:48:11 -0600
Subject: [Baren 24138] Lurker Checking in
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I'm a lurker.
A good friend of mine gave me a piece of wood and a couple knives last year.
It was December before I was able to look into what to do with these things...and found you guys.
I've been hanging out in the archives, and roaming about on the internet scarfing up information, instructions, etc.

I've got alumni status from the ArtInstitute of Chicago and a serious arting habit.
I'm into painting, watercolor, oil pastels smaller 3d pieces (small space dictating size) and last year some crude form of repousse.
I'm loving this block carving...getting the same kind of satisfaction from working 3d, but with the option of doing multiples.

I've got 7 or 9 blocks carved up...trying all sorts of wood scraps from woodworking friends, liking cherry the best, maple next...
anyone tried mahogany?
Saturday I'm going to my woodblock printer friend's house to learn how to print these things...and see what's necessary to do this myself.

Yes, I know, I've read all about it in the archives...but nothing beats a one on one lesson.
I'm really wanting to know what all I've done here....rubbings are ok...but I want that real print.

I live in Spring Green Wisconsin with 4 terriers.

I'm really happy to have found you all, and that valuable archive.
Thanks....Linda K
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Message 6
From: FurryPressII #
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:51:50 EST
Subject: [Baren 24139] exchange 19
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between those prints in house and those who have contacted me I have 26
people with a few more to contact I am not sure at this point if we will be
short or not.

I am not sure if we have an empty space or not.

The problem as i see it is that when earlier exchanges were allowed to go
way past the deadline some people may have concluded that the dead line was
only a suggestion. I will go to the post office and see who else is in my p.o. box
weather permitting as we are getting a major snowstorm tonite.

john center
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Message 7
From: b.patera #
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 03:16:27 +0000
Subject: [Baren 24140] Re: late lurkers
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I'm feeling pretty cranky right about now. Yes, I'd like all the exchanges to
be on time ..... but face it, that'll never happen unless we start running
the Baren like Mussolini did his trains. Is this what everyone wants???

Personally, I value the relative lack of structure. Just as I value the
diversity of the membership and Baren's willingness to welcome newcomers of
all skill levels. I would hate to see this change.

Barbara P.
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Message 8
From: "Julianne Kershaw"
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:56:29 +1000
Subject: [Baren 24141] Re: Active Bareners
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May-be we should look more at the 'responsibilities' of being on the waiting list. If people on the waiting list were producing the themed or unthemed print along with those 'in' the exchange, in preparation for someone dropping out, there would be less problems when called on to fill in. And even if no-body did drop out, the people on the waiting list would all have a lovely print that they possibly wouldn't have bothered to create if they hadn't been involved. They may all decide to exchange their prints with each other on the waiting list! Or they could send them into SWAPSHOP.

I have never participated in a baren exchange as I can't imagine how I could get the fee from Australian dollars into American dollars without tripling the amount. I haven't got a paypal account. However I have sometimes made a print on the theme, or drawn up some ideas. I guess this sounds bad, like I am using Baren, but really that's what it is there for isn't it? Promoting the production of prints. I should hope to contribute something more substantial one day.

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Message 9
From: Darrell Madis
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:06:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 24142] Re: late lurkers
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Just a note that might be helpful to others printing woodblocks on an etching press.

I've found an easy way is by using the rubber runner from a junked treadmill between the press roller and the block, instead of paper or card packing as I've seen recommended. It's about a sixteenth of an inch thick, quite dense but flexible. (I usually use 1/4 inch cherry or birch plywood for my blocks.) Seems to work well and I had no trouble cutting a piece 15 by 30 inches to fit my press.

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Message 10
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24143] exchange ideas
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Lots of great ideas. Everyone's opinion counts.

If perhaps Baren is growing, should we think about increasing the amount
of participants in an exchange. Is 5 or 10 more prints too much for us
to do?

Hmmmmmm........tanzaku exchange someday?


Feb. 6th's Full Moon haiku for you:

in moon's view
a quill inking

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Message 11
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:53:11 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24144] Re: Active Bareners
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It was Carol L. who started this discussion, not me.

I am an all inclusive kinda gal, and I never insinuated that anyone
should be kept out of exchanges. Far be it from me to suggest such a
thing. My only suggestion was that they must be signed up on the Baren
List and continue to be signed up during the period of the exchange.
That, to me, defines "active". Lurkers are more than welcome. Not
everyone has the time nor desire to throw their two bits worth in, and
others of us cannot be stopped. Everyone is welcome to join in - the
more the merrier. But! If you sign up for an exchange, short of a
national emergency, you should bust your muffies to meet that
obligation on time. We know when we've become so overloaded that we
cannot possibly make the deadline at least half way through the time
period, and the coordinator should be notified. Ordinarily I am
neither organized or logical, but this seems to make sense to me. But,
what do I know? I'm into eating raisins in gin first thing in the
morning - a whole teaspoon full - every day. So, don't trust anything
I might say :-)

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Message 12
From: "Colleen Corradi Brannigan"
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:11:22 +0100
Subject: [Baren 24145] cards exchange
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Just a quick update on the cards exchange ... we are nearly there!

3 more sets have arrived... so you can see who is missing... but they are
all printing!

Colleen Corradi