Today's postings

  1. [Baren 24483] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004) (ArtfulCarol #
  2. [Baren 24484] Re: thanks for info on presses--***Virus intercepted*** (Myron Turner)
  3. [Baren 24485] Re: Woodblock Care and Feeding? (Sharri LaPierre)
  4. [Baren 24486] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004) ("marilynn smih")
  5. [Baren 24487] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004) ("Ramsey Household")
  6. [Baren 24488] undaunted (Woodblocksteve #
  7. [Baren 24489] Subject: RE: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004) ("Bill H. Ritchie, Jr.")
  8. [Baren 24490] report back Re: sizing question from new, and mfa's (jamison #
  9. [Baren 24491] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004) ("cjpiers")
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Message 1
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:37:41 EST
Subject: [Baren 24483] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004)
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My 2 cents and experience:

Don't go with the one who says you'll never make it. The one who says they
want -whatever- may forget he ever said that.
Especially, don't go with the one who says "You can't do that". Do it well
and make it work.

Go with what comes naturally, your gut feeling, and develop it.
You will be a happy camper.
Carol L.
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Message 2
From: Myron Turner
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 10:35:02 -0600
Subject: [Baren 24484] Re: thanks for info on presses--***Virus intercepted***
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The University of Manitoba Virus checking software intercepted a virus
attached to this email.

So be careful before you open it.
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Message 3
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 08:59:52 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24485] Re: Woodblock Care and Feeding?
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On the care and feeding of woodblocks: I clean mine with veggie oil
and wipe them down thoroughly with a dry rag. This cleans all the ink
out of the lines, leaves a little dye on the block from the ink, so
corrections are easy, more or less, and the wood is oiled for storage.
You can do the same thing with mineral spirits, but it is harder on the
lungs and atmosphere, and more expensive. I don't like to leave the ink
to build up on the block, and have always been instructed to clean up
my mess when I'm finished :-)

Patti PC, we have lots of good schools with strong printing dept's: U
of WA, WSU in Pullman, U of Oregon in Eugene, OSU in Corvallis, WOU in
Monmouth, OR, SOU in Ashland, OR, Marylhurst and PNCA in Portland, OR,
Gonzaga U in Spokane, WA. And, there are probably more I've forgotten
to include. There are also two good schools in AK -

I just finished with the Artist in Residence at the Vancouver School of
the Arts and Academics - it was a 2 week residency with kids middle
through high school. They did the most fantastic work. I think we
should all go take a class from kids every once in a while to give us
renewed energy and fresh outlooks. However, today I'm going to the
chiropractor. LOL

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Message 4
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:03:56 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24486] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004)
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Never let someone tell you you can't or never will. I had a professor who
said i would never be able to draw. (he never saw any of my drawings) This
same professor told my friend that she would never create interpretive work.
We both changed to the other advanced painting professor, an amazing man.
She created a wonderful interpretive piece and I created the only oil
painting he displayed from our advanced class in the spring student art
show. When the critical prof passed away nothing was done at the university
to honor him. When the other professor passed away there was a large
collection and a special scholoarship created in his honor. Negative
statements should be ignored. Guiding assistance should be listened too and
appreciated with open arms. This is what I love best about Baren, the help
is never critical but rather assists us to develop. Many in the world have
opinions and thoughts about what is good or bad. Learn to sift throught
these thoughts to the meat and know when one is good criticism and one is
bad and you will grow in your own direction. Even those in so called high
positions can be wrong. In seeking an advanced degree choose a place that
will guide you not dictate to you. Choose professors with temperments you
can grow with. For me, someone who yells at me makes me nervous. My
reaction to this is to become even more of a chatter box and to become very
self conscious, it is intimidating. The professor who helped me create
that good painting would walk up to me when i was workng and say a few
things in a very gentle tone and the work flourished. Know yourself.
My 2 cents worth.

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Message 5
From: "Ramsey Household"
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 13:11:05 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24487] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004)
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The University of Texas at Austin has a great printmaking department, ditto
the whole Art School.

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Message 6
From: Woodblocksteve #
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:15:37 EST
Subject: [Baren 24488] undaunted
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Hi Everyone,

Am I the only one to experience this? I spend all afternoon fooling around
with different colours (with more or less tack-thickener) on different papers
(wet and dry) and at the end of the evening I look around and the thing that
looks best is the block itself. I look at the pile of so-so prints. I look at
the block, it looks gorgeous and I think why can't I get the flippin' paper to
look like that? Maybe I'll just hang the block on the wall.

Steve (undaunted)
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Message 7
From: "Bill H. Ritchie, Jr."
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:57:00 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24489] Subject: RE: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004)
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Patti Phare-Camp wrote: Bill Ritchie I've been hearing some rumors about
washington state; what do you know about good schools in the U.S.?

Patti, I've been out of college teaching for 19 years--the same length of
time I was in it.

However, I'm still a professor at heart. You can take Bill out of the
college, but you can't take the college out of Bill.

But as an adviser for you I'm no good. For several years I subscribed to the
Chronicle of Higher Education, and something called Academic Impressions
because I love the ideal of higher education so much.

I confess I've become jaded, however. Last quarter I taught at Shoreline
Community College, near Seattle. It was basic drawing, but the school had a
fabulous hi-tech department run by former design students from the UW (where
I taught).

I saw all kinds of opportunities to leapfrog the staid academics and blend
hi-tech and printmaking. But their idea was first to secure your job, then
gently, quietly, rock the boat and play the game.

Meanwhile, I saw a lot of energy in students of all ages and temperaments
being flattened for the sake of the AA degree.

My ideal, if I were planning to spend tens of thousands on an MFA, would be
to take my native strengths (Patti's is as an HP veteran, right?) and
printmaking and interview every school about their interest in developing an
online art history course focused on the media arts, their roots being in

Then I'd get a grant to develop a pilot study, aimed at a credit course that
could be "licensed" to other schools who, sadly, are seeing a fall-off in
their printmaking programs. Then I'd expect SOME (not all, because too many
schools are heavily populated by senior faculty who just want to be left in
their sinecure until they retire) schools have serious discussions with such
a well-rounded, mature student applicant.

Do I smell full tuition and TA position?
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Message 8
From: jamison #
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:32:58 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24490] report back Re: sizing question from new, and mfa's
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Thank you all for the suggestions. I mixed up some of the sizing recepie and
managed to get most of it on the hosho. Comparing the sized and not sized paper
with test prints it seems fine without the sizing.

Graphic Chemical ink does act fairly oil-like.I'm not sure who recommened it,
but Murphy's Oil soap also worked for clean up.


I have always heard good things about the Cal State Long Beach printmaking
department: ( I went to UCLA for my MFA
back in the late 80s. The facilities for printmaking were still there but not much

- Jamie
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Message 9
From: "cjpiers"
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:00:50 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24491] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2573 (Mar 5, 2004)
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Just some thoughts...
The continuing of an education is interesting. Someday I think I'll go back
to college and finish. I loved my printmaking teacher and took many quarters
with her in printmaking and other courses. Sometimes I think I couldn't have
had a better teacher even though I didn't go to a university. She earned her
MFA at Iowa St(?) learning from Mauricio Lasansky. I still have mixed
feeling about whether to continue to get the degree or just continue making
art. Probably what I miss is direction or, more acurately, just going in
one. LOL!