Today's postings

  1. [Baren 24583] Re: Subject: Rollers to goo (eli griggs)
  2. [Baren 24584] Re: Subject: Rollers to goo (Charles Morgan)
  3. [Baren 24585] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!! (Julio.Rodriguez #
  4. [Baren 24586] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!! (Darrell Madis)
  5. [Baren 24587] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!! (ArtfulCarol #
  6. [Baren 24588] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!! (Bette Norcross Wappner)
  7. [Baren 24589] puzzle print (Cucamongie #
  8. [Baren 24590] Re: ethical blocks ("Patsy Wilson")
  9. [Baren 24591] Re: Photoshop and other questions (Mary Brooks-Mueller)
  10. [Baren 24592] Re: Subject: Rollers to goo (Roger Lee)
  11. [Baren 24593] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2582 (Mar 13, 2004) ("Aimee Youmans")
  12. [Baren 24594] Re: puzzle print (Daniel Dew)
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Message 1
From: eli griggs
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:12:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 24583] Re: Subject: Rollers to goo
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Hi there:

Here is the link for Lawrence.


> This is what I think. What to do? I think synthetic
> rubber might be better. The people at Graphic Chem surely know,
>or that company in London - I can't recall their name.
> - Bill
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Message 2
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:08:25 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24584] Re: Subject: Rollers to goo
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There is a very good description and discussion of gelatine rollers in "The
Art and Craft of Woodblock Printmaking" by Laitinen, Moilanen, and
Tanttu.There are recipes and complete directions for casting your own. They
recommend vegetable oil and detergent for cleaning. If you want to use some
sort of solvent, then you must be very careful. Their directions for
cleaning say "Use only paraffin oil to clean rolls made of gelatine and
glue. Turpentine, spirit, and water will melt them. ... Water is not
suitable for cleaning gelatine rollers." Unless protected in some way, the
gelatine rollers may absorb moisture from the air and melt.

Plastic and rubber rollers will not dissolve in water.

Cheers ..... Charles
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Message 3
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:18:23 -0600
Subject: [Baren 24585] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!!
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Well, actually they been here for a while now........John Center and I got
together last weekend to do #19 collating and had a great time going over
all the shunga prints. Kudos to all the participants for a well done job,
the theme is very well represented !

All the state side packages left the Skokie post office on Saturday USPS
priority mail (one went Fedex to NY) so they should be at your doorstep in
a day or two. There are four international packages (Greece, Italy, UK &
Canada) that John is sending out today. Whenever possible we reused the
packaging sent.....for those of you that sent a self-addressed return
label or return box...that was a really big help and time saver !!!!!

John took time to print a handcarved colophon and a title page for the
exchange and I got a chance to watch him in action and learn a few oily
tricks as he used my Vandercook press to print it.

Welcome to new members Connie & Harry and anyone else out there

thanks to everyone for their participation in Shunga #19 and to John
Center for suggesting the theme and coordinating the exchange...

Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)
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Message 4
From: Darrell Madis
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:29:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 24586] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!!
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My package of the Shunga prints came today. A fascinating group of prints! Many thanks to John Center for coordinating (& Julio). It's a great set, very, very interesting.

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Message 5
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:09:15 EST
Subject: [Baren 24587] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!!
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Arrival of # 19

Very nice.

Some I don't understand because I am too young.

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Message 6
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:22:40 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24588] Re: Shunga #19 is here !!!
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Mine came today also. What a nice selection of s _ _ !

Thanks to the Shunga Master - John Center - who did a terrific job on
everything, even with the initial idea.

John, thank you for the handcarved lettered colophon and cover! Great
work. You are an ambitious soul.

Thank you Julio for helping John :)

Thanks to the other participants. Without each other we wouldn't have
these great portfolios full of ourselves :D

Bette Norcross Wappner
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Message 7
From: Cucamongie #
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:38:46 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24589] puzzle print
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Hi folks, another round of applause for the amazing Maria and thanks to Barbara too for the mammoth job of printing these monumental prints - it was so wonderful to take them out of the box and see them in all their glory. Each image is unique and wonderful - everyone has their own style yet it all works together so well, (kind of like Baren, right!!) kudos to all.
and thanks Sharri, I'm so glad you got a big chuckle from my Bear-Wren - I think he's doing a happy little dance now.
best wishees
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Message 8
From: "Patsy Wilson"
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:54:14 -0600
Subject: [Baren 24590] Re: ethical blocks
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Ethical, yes. It would be less ethical to not do the work that calls you.
Would you carve an incredible rubber stamp and use it once? Think of your
reuse not as plagiarism of... um, yourself ... but an interesting echo
that may resonate throughout your body of work. Remember the A B A-prime of
classical music ("repetition with a difference" a'la Mozart), or consider
the fact that a new plant comes from the same bulb every new spring. Listen
to that echo once it broadens into many works, there is almost always an
exciting secret to dis-cover at the end of a good block's life.

I always reuse blocks & plates, I think of them as huge stamps, or single
brushstrokes. With the layering, something new always emerges where the
original block is not center stage. Play!

btw, I am so happy to find Baren again! I was a subscriber way back in 98,
and I see that the same fantastic supportive energy is still afoot. I can't
wait to participate in your next trade, whatever it is (I'll have to check
out the website again).

Walk Brightly!

Patsy Wilson

Librarian, Artist, Fool
Huntsville, AL
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Message 9
From: Mary Brooks-Mueller
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:12:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 24591] Re: Photoshop and other questions
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Myron, do you live in a humid area? I live in the high
desert, 8 months of the year -- 10% humidity, but
2 months 100degrees, although, my shop is cooled by
day. Maybe the extremes stress the roller.

>Yes, but not from age. I have gelatin rollers
>sitting around that are 25 years old.
> The more likely reason is moisture and/or possibly
> heat.
> Myron Turner
> >3. and has any one ever had a gel roller turn to
> goo
> >from old age?
> >thanks Mary
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Message 10
From: Roger Lee
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:21:27 -0800
Subject: [Baren 24592] Re: Subject: Rollers to goo
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Hello there
In regards to 'GEL' rollers - I found that they will melt in the Okanagan
summer heat. I had three rollers melt - a 6" 10"and 12"this represents
about $1000.00 worth of the stickiest stuff I have ever seen. In my case
the colour was blue and if it were not so sad we had a great deal of fun
with the remains of the rollers. I had all tree refinished with 'Synthetic'
gel- witch is to say that they are a bit more resilient in the hot summer
and a bit more usefull in the studio.

Roger Lee
Vernon British Columbia
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Message 11
From: "Aimee Youmans"
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:00:49 -0900
Subject: [Baren 24593] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V26 #2582 (Mar 13, 2004)
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Whew! Thanks so much, Dave, for passing that on--It's especially inspiring
to me to see student's work, because I'm a beginner at all this. The varied
skills and styles put me in there somewhere....give me hope, direction,
incentive, all those things it takes to keep trying....Thanks alot!

> Somebody sent me a link this evening, and no question, I have to 'pass
> it on'! It's a heavy page to download (more than 50 images), but there
> are plenty of interesting prints to see in this display of the Machida
> Hanga Group 10th Anniversary Collection. The names and titles are all in
> Japanese, so won't display in your browser, but the images should be
> visible with no problem I think.
> Their teacher is Kikuo Gosho, the baren maker.
> Dave
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Message 12
From: Daniel Dew
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:48:25 -0500
Subject: [Baren 24594] Re: puzzle print
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I also received my puzzle prints.
What a treat!
Mega-thanks for all the hard work, money and effort that went into this
Now, to figure out a way to frame it?

Daniel L. Dew