Today's postings

  1. [Baren 25648] opportunity (Barbara Mason)
  2. [Baren 25649] RE: Baren Digest (old) V28 #2736 ("marilynn smih")
  3. [Baren 25650] Re: opportunity (Charles Morgan)
  4. [Baren 25651] Re: opportunity ("Robert Canaga")
  5. [Baren 25652] Re: opportunity (Barbara Mason)
  6. [Baren 25653] Re: opportunity (Charles Morgan)
  7. [Baren 25654] Re: opportunity - darned ! (Julio.Rodriguez #
  8. [Baren 25655] Having work published (ArtfulCarol #
  9. [Baren 25656] Re: Having work published (Julio.Rodriguez #
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Message 1
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:39:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25648] opportunity
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Hi friends, I just received this from Dan Welden of Solarplate so am passing it on to anyone interested, this is not woodblock...but never the less I know some on this list do solarplate.
Best to all,

Dear Printmaker:

As a fellow printmaker, I would like to take this opportunity to introduce

myself. I have co-authored the book "Printmaking in the Sun" with Pauline Muir

and have developed the Solarplate printmaking technique. The experiences I

gained from being a Master Printmaker, working with de Kooning, Johns,

Motherwell, Fischl, Flavin and many others, has presented me with unique problem

solving situations and challenges. Having made prints throughout the United States

and over a dozen countries I have picked up a few short cuts.

It is with great pleasure that I announce the future publication of a new

book entitled "Printmaking: Tricks of the Trade." The book will be packed with

interesting ideas, formulas, inventions and innovations designed and developed

by printmakers. It will include techniques, tools, gadgets and many, many

shortcuts, all fully illustrated with diagrams, photographs and original artwork.

Printmakers, especially those who teach and work with others, have a

reputation for sharing their methods and materials. With this in mind I wish to

invite printmakers to submit their original ideas for inclusion in "Printmaking:

Tricks of the Trade." If you wish to submit an idea, please email me. I shall

consider all submissions sent to me before October 30th. If the idea sounds

viable, I shall write you back and request that you include documentation,

description and/or photographs. Original ideas will be given credit, and when

approved for the book, I shall request examples of your art work illustrating your


Ideas may consist of one or a combination of the following:

A brief written description

A drawing or sketch

A photograph

The book should be ready within the year and will be published by Printaganza

(a nonprofit international educational and research institute).

This book will be a valuable resource for teachers, experienced printmakers

and students. If you are interested in the possible opportunity to be included

in the book by contributing your idea, please reply to Dan Welden at

Yours sincerely,

Dan Welden.
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Message 2
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:26:57 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25649] RE: Baren Digest (old) V28 #2736
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I do not know if this is cause for concern. I received a message that
stated my mail was undeliverable. The message stated that I had sent
something to Mike Lyon, I have not sent him an email in some while now and
none that I can remember with an attachment. I am not sure what this might
mean??? Perhaps a new method for spreading a virus. So be careful out
there and be sure your virus protection software is up to date.
Marilynn Smith

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Message 3
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:39:07 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25650] Re: opportunity
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Will contributors whose suggestions are used receive royalties, or does all
the money go back to Dan and his "nonprofit international educational and
research institute"?

Cheers ...... Charles
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Message 4
From: "Robert Canaga"
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:40:30 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25651] Re: opportunity
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I loved the workshop I took with Dan in Santa Fe last month.
Lots of great artmaking. I can't wait for his new book, and all the wonderful ideas the folks in the group will send.
See you later.
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Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25652] Re: opportunity
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What difference does it make? I would love to have my work published in anyone' s book. That high would sure be royalty enough for me. What was is Shakespear said "buying and spending we lay waste our power" I know that is not exact but you get the idea! What if everyone who donates so much time to baren expected "royalties?" This whole thing site and list would just go away. I know Dan and don't think he is getting rich teaching printmaking and don't know of anyone else who is either. Think the book is self published and know he had to committ to buying 1000 copies of the first one.....I am sure he still has quite a few, a fact of life.

On another note I just got my computer debugged and found I had a ton of spyware on it even though I have a firewall. Those darn virus writers are so clever they are getting past it by making it tiny and attaching to stuff you want. Rats. My computer works just great $89 I have spent in a long time.
Best to all,
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Message 6
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:06:53 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25653] Re: opportunity
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Check your local regulations ... anyone can set up a "non-profit" society
very easily. That society can own print making equipment and materials ...
that society can pay for directors and officers to travel to further the
aims of the society ... and so on.

Soooo, make YOUR studio into a non-profit society. Lay out the aims as
education and research into printmaking. Then invite all your friends to
contribute to a book which your society will publish, with the funds going
back to the society to support your studio and your travel. Solicit
donations, sell art cards, do demonstrations for a fee ... the funds
derived go back into the society tax-free. Those funds may then buy you new
equipment and supplies or pay for you to travel to conferences or Baren
get-togethers ...

Many small music groups do essentially that ... form a non-profit society
and then perform for a fee. The fees buy musical instruments for the
members, go to pay travel expenses, pay for the cost of cutting a CD ...
then the CDs are sold at performances, and the returns go back to the
society for more of the same.

This is a standard scam for wanabe poets. There are lots of closet poets
out there who would love to see their work in print. So, along comes
someone offering them the chance to do just that. Simply contribute your
work and agree to buy a certain number of copies of the book, and voila. Of
course the "organizer" takes a big rake-off for all the time and trouble
organizing the thing.

If you are desperate to see your work "in print", then band together with a
bunch of like-mined people and do the standard vanity press routine ...
self-publish, each of you agreeing to buy a certain number of the
resulting book.

I am not saying Dan is operating a scam ... I certainly do not mean to cast
aspersions on his character. But it might be worth checking out where the
money is going. Instead of donating your ideas, would you donate money?
What's the difference? My only point is, it seems the contributors
themselves should be getting SOME reward for their contributions ... maybe
a flat fee, maybe a royalty, maybe free copies of the book. After all, Dan
will be selling YOUR ideas.

The difference between Dan's project and Baren and other on-line groups is
that we share our ideas freely with each other ... we do not collect other
folks ideas and then try to sell them for our own benefit.

If your work and/or ideas are that good, there are a number of art
magazines that publish regularly that accept submissions ... and most of
them pay.

Cheers ........ (cynical) Charles
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Message 7
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25654] Re: opportunity - darned !
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Charles writes:
"The difference between Dan's project and Baren and other on-line groups is

that we share our ideas freely with each other ... we do not collect other

folks ideas and then try to sell them for our own benefit."

Oh no !!!! I can't believe this........I am just about done putting the
finishing touches on my very first book venture ever...I mean ever....
"Baren-It All" a five year compilation of printmaking tips & ideas
freely exchanged ( and hopefully on public domain) that I researched from
the Baren forum archives....lots of good I in trouble ?
Wanda... is the
Baren police going to come looking for me..or my next of kin.. ?

I was just hoping to use any proceeds from the book to be able to travel
to the next Baren Summit in Colorado, Japan or wherever we are going to
meet......... ;-(

Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)
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Message 8
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:19:22 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25655] Having work published
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I don't know who wrote this about giving your work away, having it published
without being paid:
"What difference does it make? I would love to have my work published
in anyone's book. That high would sure be royality enough for me."
Think about it. Would you be a dentist, a doctor any other in any
profession or career supplying services free.? (That excludes charity)

I signed an agreement to allow my art to be used in a North Light Book, a F&W
Publication. I was more than happy to! You can imagine my surprise when I
saw it published and advertised as the Book of the Month with my work on the
cover, besides being inside. This is a large well-known publishing company and
I never knew it was to be the cover. But I had signed the agreement! No
other permission was needed. Would I have signed the agreement had I known
before? I do not know. I got not a penny for use in a nationally circulated
book. Now I am more aware.

There are starving artists who work years and loving it, but when lucky
exposure comes don't they deserve to be well paid.? Have your friendly family
lawyer look over what you sign.
Carol Lyons
Irvington, NY
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Message 9
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:46:28 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25656] Re: Having work published
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Will the people who contributed the following tips & ideas to Baren please
email so I can give you 'proper' credit
in my upcoming book. Please email me at I-wanna-be-a-rich-printmaker.$$$ care of the 'Baren-It All" book project:

- how to re-cover your baren tool using your toes and other assorted body

- how to recycle old corian kitchen counter tops as a woodblock matrix

- 101 ways to use laundry dryer sheets as printmaking paper

- how to avoid shark bites while fine shaping your hanga brushes...and
still manage to have a fun vacation in Florida.

- how to use trucks & other large roadside machinery to make oversized

- simple ways to avoid spraining your back while unloading an 800lb
Vandercook press off the back of your car...solo.

thanks....Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)