Today's postings

  1. [Baren 25657] Re: opportunity (Sharri LaPierre)
  2. [Baren 25658] Re: Having work published (Sharri LaPierre)
  3. [Baren 25659] Books are Good ("Love Me")
  4. [Baren 25660] More Surimono Prints In - DUE AUG. 1st - ok...AUG.2nd (Bette Norcross Wappner)
  5. [Baren 25661] Re: More Surimono Prints In - DUE AUG. 1st - ok...AUG.2nd ("Carol Myers")
  6. [Baren 25662] Re: opportunity (Robin Morris)
  7. [Baren 25663] Re: opportunity - darned ! (Charles Morgan)
  8. [Baren 25664] Weldon/non-profit foundation ("Matt Laine")
  9. [Baren 25665] Re: Weldon/non-profit foundation (Janet Hollander)
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Message 1
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:03:59 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25657] Re: opportunity
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Whoooooa, Nellie! Before jumping to conclusions over Dan Welden's
newest book writing venture let's ask Dan how he intends to compensate
the folk's ideas that he publishes. Dan is a very ethical and highly
respected teacher and Master Printer. He will probably give everyone
several books and if you figure their retail worth that would be just
compensation. Dan is not out to exploit artists, I would bet my life
on that. Barbara is right - he is not getting rich teaching
printmaking and writing specialized books. However, we do need to
place a higher value on our work and on ourselves and respect both. We
shouldn't be giving all we know away free - free insinuates the
item/idea is of little worth, and we don't want that idea rampaging the
earth. I only meant to say - instead of resorting to the (pardon the
expression) "political" way of doing business, let's just ASK DAN what
he intends to do! Novel concept, don't you think?


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Message 2
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25658] Re: Having work published
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Whoops - sorry about the second post. I forgot to say "You Go Julio"!
Publish that baby. I doubt that any of the idea's you gleaned were
original - they all sound to me like public domain, and have been for
many years. Is there a one of us that hasn't tried printing on a dryer
sheet? Or driven our SUV over a block for an oversized print? Or
recycled our spouse into a new figurative image (or at least tried to
do so)? Are you going to use "Putting clothes pins to work as clamps
in times of need?" I don't think I've shared that one on the Baren,
but you're all welcome to use it if you haven't already -

Can't wait to read the tome -

Cheers, again!
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Message 3
From: "Love Me"
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:48:23 +1000
Subject: [Baren 25659] Books are Good
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With regard to books and printmaking ideas, I think this latest discourse about money and art is sad. Are we going to see another month-long welter of insulting exchanges?

If somebody wants to write a book, fine. Why not? Books are good, and yes, they cost money to produce. If Dan Weldon can manage to break even, good luck to him. I dont know Dan from a bar of soap, but now I am to believe that he might be operating a scam cleverly employed by "wanna-be-poets". Really?

If people on this forum think their ideas are worth money, as opposed to their artworks, I suggest that they may be exploiting other generous contributors who do share their useful ideas here.

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Message 4
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:00:39 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25660] More Surimono Prints In - DUE AUG. 1st - ok...AUG.2nd
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Dear Surimono Participants,

A big THANK YOU! to those who have sent me their prints as of today,
Friday, July 30th.

1. Dina Cody
2. Jan Telfer
3. Harry French
4. Marilynn Smith
5. Sharri LaPierre
6. Maria Diener (Arango)
7. John Center
8. Gayle Wohlken
9. Diane Cutter
10. Gillyin Gatto

received today Friday July 30th...

11. Connie Pierson
12. Chris Blank

Some really great prints you guys. I'm sooooo lucky :)

.....Still hoping that midnight oil is burning HOT in many Baren studios.

The weekend is here, so print your little hearts out!

If you're having troubles, please email me or share it at Barenforum.
We're all comrades here.

Rah Rah, SisBoomBah, Keep em rollin people....I love ya! Put on your
favorite music and rock that baren or press! Last nite I was
printmaking to Bob Marley - reggae style :D

Your Surimono girl.
Wish i had a kimono.
I'll add that to my wish list.
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Message 5
From: "Carol Myers"
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:12:14 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25661] Re: More Surimono Prints In - DUE AUG. 1st - ok...AUG.2nd
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Well, the midnight oil is burning in my studio. Hope to get these prints in
the mail by monday. I'm trying to get a two person show together to hang
this weekend, so the printing has taken second place.The good news-my
husband and two sons are leaving for a week of camping, so I can concentrate
on my work. Yaaay, no cooking.
Carol Myers
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Message 6
From: Robin Morris
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:10:52 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25662] Re: opportunity
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Hi all,

Wow- great debate- interesting points both pro and con. Glad you folks
can feel strongly and yet keep it light...
Carol, your story is a good cautionary tale. I think you felt burned
...I had the experience of doing a long interview for a cookbook when I
was a somewhat well-known salmon smoker.
When the book came out, my comments, word for word, comprised the
section on smoked fish. I was not mentioned . Even if one contributes
without remuneration to a book like this, they should ask for a
written guarantee that they will receive credit for their
contribution at the least. I notice Mr. Welden does state that
"original ideas will be given credit" that I assume he means those
ideas deemed original will garner their contributors a place in the
book, and it would be good to ask for clarification- will your name be
attached to your idea, or just mentioned in a catch-all acknowledgment
page? If your ideas are not used, can the author use them elsewhere? If
so will he be bound to give credit at that time? Just some thoughts...

Robin (ex expert)
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Message 7
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 04:34:57 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25663] Re: opportunity - darned !
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Good idea, Julio ... but it is not new. This is essentially what is done by
the Nature Printing Society. Their book of tips and techniques is sold as a
fund raiser for the Society, although of course with the agreement of the
members whose work is used, and the material was not gathered from the web

Hey, but a better idea would be to take some of those prints you have from
exchanges, ones by Barbara, Carol, Dave, Mike, and a few others ... Take
them down to your local print shop and have jillions of copies run off ...
Sell them as "limited edition prints" to the tourist trade ... What the
heck, the images are up on the web site and you got them in the mail, so
doesn't that make them public domain??? No doubt you could make a few bucks
doing that ...

For sure you would be hearing from the police, and not just the Baren
police .... darn those intellectual property laws ....

Cheers ...... Charles
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Message 8
From: "Matt Laine"
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 07:51:46 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25664] Weldon/non-profit foundation
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I'm not a tax expert but I believe the primary purpose of a tax-exempt foundation is to keep the IRS's grasping hands out of the til -- That's admirable! The government already takes too much from productive peopl to support non-productive parasites (like politicians and beaurocrats). Go for it, Dan Weldon!
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Message 9
From: Janet Hollander
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25665] Re: Weldon/non-profit foundation
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(no printmaking information follows - but I love Dan and the work he
does as a teacher and an artist) It's true that it's up to the IRS to
determine whether an organization can be legitimately called a
tax-exempt public charity. Most of them must file tax returns
(religious orgs. and a few others do not). But the principle benefit is
to those of us who might give money to support the organization. We can
claim exemptions on our tax returns for donations to them. That's a
federal exemption and there are many many rules and regulations on what
these organizations can do - especially in terms of financial
accounting. It's not always a benefit!

Each state has separate procedures to allow these organizations freedom
from paying sales taxes, which is a savings.