Today's postings

  1. [Baren 25845] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2764 (Aug 23, 2004) (Charles Morgan)
  2. [Baren 25846] RE: Baren Digest (old) V28 #2768 ("marilynn smih")
  3. [Baren 25847] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2764 (Aug 23 (Sharri LaPierre)
  4. [Baren 25848] MFA for Dan (Barbara Mason)
  5. [Baren 25849] Posting (GraphChem #
  6. [Baren 25850] Re: MFA for Dan (Myron Turner)
  7. [Baren 25851] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2764 (Aug 23, 2004) ("Mary Ann Brooks-Mueller")
  8. [Baren 25852] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2768 (Aug 27, 2004) (Legreenart #
  9. [Baren 25853] Re: Posting (Asbjørn Hollerud)
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Message 1
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:53:37 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25845] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2764 (Aug 23, 2004)
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If you want to teach in community ed programs (i.e., non-credit) you will
not need a BFA, though it might give you more credibility with students
(crazy, but true). Generally you just propose a course to an institution
... If they think it might go, they put it in their schedule ... If enough
people sign up, you teach and get paid ... if not, the course is just

If you want to teach in the public school system, you will probably need a
BEd and teacher certification.

If you want to teach at the university level, you will need at least an MFA.

You also mention "history". Do you mean "history of art" or "European
history" or ????

Your best be would probably be to first check with your original
institution and see what they require of you to complete your degree ...
you may be able to get transfer credit for courses taken closer to your
home/work, or maybe they will take a portfolio of recent work in lieu of
missing studio courses, etc. That way you could finish the degree from
your old alma mater, which would probably be the most efficient in terms of
time, money, and effort.

Good luck ... keep us posted.

Cheers ..... Charles
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Message 2
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25846] RE: Baren Digest (old) V28 #2768
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Dan, go for it and do finish that degree if for no other reason than for
yourself. There is a stisfaction about completing what one has started.
Bravo for art in the schools.
I know I know this is not about woodblock, just pep talk.

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Message 3
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:13:49 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25847] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2764 (Aug 23
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Great that you want to complete your degree, but be prepared to go for
an MFA. It is virtually impossible to find good teaching positions
nowadays without one. There are too many MFA's running around waiting
hopefully to gobble the limited number of teaching positions for the
institutions to even look at some one with a BFA. Those applications
make it to the round file with amazing speed.

The good news is, you will be an even better artist after all that
concentration to get both degrees! May all of your dreams come true -
and they will, with a lot of hard work.

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Message 4
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:32:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25848] MFA for Dan
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There is a school in Vermont that has an MFA program and you can probably sneak the BFA in with it. You do all the work independently with a mentor in your area that has graduated from the school. I have a friend that got her MFA here in Oregon with them. I will find out the name for you and send it along. This might be the answer as they have an excellent reputation. I will email her and get back to you.
Best to you,
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Message 5
From: GraphChem #
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:14:37 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25849] Posting
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Sharen was in to see us today and mentioned a posting here that was extremely
complimentary towards Graphic Chemical. I am truly appreciative, but
unfortunately I can't find it anywhere. I appreciate that someone would take time to
write in about us.

By the way, I am working on getting pictures of those brayers into an e-mail
or ultimately onto our website. I've taken the pictures but getting from
camera to the computer at work is proving to be a challenge.

Thanks again to all of you.

Dean Clark
Graphic Chemical & Ink Company
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Message 6
From: Myron Turner
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25850] Re: MFA for Dan
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I also was trying to find the name of this school. I knew of two people
who'd taken degrees there but one no longer lives here in Winnipeg and
doesn't seem to have email and the other's name is gone from memory and
none of the colleg listings in Vemont struck a bell. But it sounded to me
like a wonderful place ( and am speaking, at least partly, as an old
academic myself). As I recall, however, you will have to put in a short
period of residency, a summer, or part of a summer, something like that.
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Message 7
From: "Mary Ann Brooks-Mueller"
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:58:20 -0500
Subject: [Baren 25851] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2764 (Aug 23, 2004)
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Hello Dan,
You might consider looking at Prescott College in Prescott, Arizona. I was on the faculty there for 4+ years as a program director and student mentor/advisor. Did quite a bit of individualized program design as well. They are an actual, regular campus and happen offer a variety of degree options, bachelors & masters, both on or off-campus. You can design a degree to a great extent and can dovetail your B.A. with a grad degree or certification. They also have a teaching degree that you could double-up, I think, with fine arts/history at the same time. Although teaching jobs in a Fine Art depts. are far and few between and require a competitive resume, An alternative to working in an academic environment would be to operate your own private school in your studio and offer off-campus internships to students. Or with a teaching/art degree you could go for grade or high school, which is where it's needed anyway.

Prescott College is not cheap, but the degree is "actual" and will not comeback to bite you.
If you want to discuss this idea and the ins and outs or anything else contact me off the forum.
My best,
Mary Ann
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Message 8
From: Legreenart #
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:23:03 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25852] Re: New Baren Digest (Text) V28 #2768 (Aug 27, 2004)
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Hey, I understand that.
You got a lot farther on your BFA than I did the first time around in 1970:
one semester!. I got the BFA finally in 1989. I thought at the time I got the
BFA, that I would be able to go on to my life long dream of a MFA. So far, that
hasn't happened, but I could teach printmaking at StoneMetal Press, so it
might not be necessary if all I wanted to do is teach printmaking somewhere.
Meanwhile, I am still dissatisfied, because a BFA has to be followed by a MFA in
order to qualify for a studio teaching job most colleges or universities, The
University of Texas San Antonio, where I live, would only hire someone who has
an MFA from an accredited fine arts program...and any long distance or any
part-time MFA program is automatically considered inadequate for accreditation. I
also was very interested in the idea of going to Mexico for my MFA. And found
out only one school there gave a degree that UTSA would accept. And now I see
that the College Art Association and some colleges are moving toward
expecting a doctorate for studio art instructors.
Not very sympathetic to single parents who can't quit work for 3 years
in order to take a full time MFA program. (Well, I could have, but I wasn't
willing to ask my child to make that much of a sacrifice.)
Anyway, My experience indicates that where ever you think you might like to
teach would be an important part of the decision, and you might want to do a
thorough investigation of what they want to see on a resume before choosing the
school you give your money and time to..
Myself, I would like the MFA, just for personal growth and pride.
I think this might go over the time limit for not totally printmaking posts,
so no more open posts from me! Anybody with more discussion can email me at
Yours, Le Green
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Message 9
From: Asbjørn Hollerud
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:15:30 +0200
Subject: [Baren 25853] Re: Posting
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Hi Dean,

Try the Print Australia mailing list. I'm one of the people saying the nice words about your company.
Thank you for running a very nice printmaking store. I happen to be in Norway for the time being but my plan is to go back to the States for a few months in early 2005. Graphic Chemical is on my list of stops.
See you then Dean!

Asbjørn Hollerud