Today's postings

  1. [Baren 25946] Re: A short essay ...thoughts(OT of printmaking) (Robin Morris)
  2. [Baren 25947] Re: print exchange (Sharri LaPierre)
  3. [Baren 25948] Re: Links to members websites and their prints on Baren (Darrell Madis)
  4. [Baren 25949] Re: print exchange ("Diane Cutter")
  5. [Baren 25950] Re: print exchange (Daniel Dew)
  6. [Baren 25951] Exchange 22 Participants ("Mary Kuster")
  7. [Baren 25952] Attn: Colleen Corradi (bette wappner)
  8. [Baren 25953] Re: print exchange (Thomas Davis)
  9. [Baren 25954] Re: print exchange (FurryPressII #
  10. [Baren 25955] Re: Exchange 22 ("R. Mandel")
  11. [Baren 25956] Re: print exchange ("Ewoud Bremer")
  12. [Baren 25957] Re: Links to members websites and their prints on Baren (arl125 #
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Message 1
From: Robin Morris
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:29:39 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25946] Re: A short essay ...thoughts(OT of printmaking)
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Hi Bareners,

I will not copy nor paste the Milne essay here, (getting some truly
long digests what with copies of digests and letters recopied and
nested like Russian dolls, but...)
I can be verbose or overwordy without resort to cut-and-paste...its in
my nature. I hope this letter is not seen as so off-topic. It will take
less room than many a recopied letter one has read before.

I did want to say thanks to DB for it (the essay).. Milne's light, open
style introduces a complex philosophical truth that artists and
barbers, and landscapers alike might

Any entertainer or producer of art must find ways to reassure those in
more prosaic occupations that they are appreciated...without the
support, direct or indirect of many people no
art could be produced or well appreciated.

Raised in a family that appreciated art while shunning its creators, I
chose a trade and put all my energy into it and my children...
Now I am looking to return to my innate appreciation of art and to
become a creator, and trying to forget the damning prophecy of my
folks, who seemed convinced that art was something other people do, so
we may scorn their lifestyle and praise their work. I still hold a
crazy notion that I should never utter the words, "Oh , I could never
do THAT! " I cannot do just as others do but I may yet do what I did
not know I could do. And it occurs to me that should I "fail" in art it
is no less and no more a failure than a business failure might be. I
take this to mean not fully applying myself, but should I catch fire
and work every moment to further my 'artistic' pursuits, to fail in
the chase to achieve an artist's recognition should not mean I have
failed as a human being. ...who would call Van Gogh a failure as a
painter? He persisted in a singleminded dream of advancing a new way to
paint...was never commercially fulfilled...but outside of his discovery
by the world as a master, was respected more and more in retrospect
partly because letters and reminiscences of others revealed that he
worked so hard at his art and made it the focus of his life. There may
seem no point in striving to add an artist's sensibilities to
manufacturing, even to our manners. But if we feel creative we may
live as though we must make the finest show with everything we do. In
this light I could not have been faulted for remaining a food
manufacturer, applying critical and aesthetic feeling to my every move.
I don't blame Vincent for not finding his audience. In my case I feel
Icould only be faulted for using art as an excuse to work less hard
than in another trade. Of course one might be successful in art without
working hard, but to hope for such is akin to planning to win the
lottery. It is a game for the idle rich, and fools, and one may easily
be both. Life has not endowed me with a trust fund, but I have a
reserve of foolishness available. Still as I contemplate art it holds
out a rich promise of hard work and study, and no guarantees.
So I write to myself, and to anyone that may benefit here...
It is not ultimate failure to strive to produce art, and to fail to
reach one's audience. In doing so one succeeds at a sort of self
expression, and unlike the bee we were not born to do a certain task.
If we were , the instruction book has gone missing. If we work to
produce art and it is accepted, if it begins to support us, we will
still never personally be respected by many who see REAL work as being
that which is unpleasant to perform, or achieved through years of study
confirmed by diploma only, or by the applause of critics they trust
more than their own senses....Many look at wealth alone, as though an
inheritance would confer success in life, or If I cannot connect and
succeed to prosper through art, at least I gain with every effort an
appreciation for the art that reaches and inspires me, and a respect
for those that with so little statistical hope to rise to public
acclaim, labor in their studios to make a reason for all of us, and a
counter-argument to the self destructive nature of man.

I hope this detour in reply to DB's post of Milne's essay hasn't cast
things to far afield. I'll mention printmaking next time...

Robin Morris
Pacifica, CA
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Message 2
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25947] Re: print exchange
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Like Jeanne & Wanda, I vote for the Printmaker most influential in your
own development, or in contribution to printmaking for the next

To Ewold, the Netherlands isn't that far and it might be more
reasonable than you realize (or more unreasonable than I realize). You
would be sending a group of 31 small prints to a coordinator. The
coordinator would then return 31 small prints to you. If you get your
prints ready wayyyyyy ahead of time you could send them the most
economical way & request that your portfolio be returned to you via the
same method. Check it out with your postal service before you decide
it is too expensive :-) The dimensions of the next exchange are on the website.

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Message 3
From: Darrell Madis
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:33:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 25948] Re: Links to members websites and their prints on Baren
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Still plenty of room to have a link to your website at --email me your information

and if you would like a picture of yourself (or a silhouette) and a display of your woodblock prints on the Baren site visit
and follow the instructions.
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Message 4
From: "Diane Cutter"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:40:49 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25949] Re: print exchange
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For Wanda, also...

Yes, I like that idea a lot. You can add my vote for that idea of most influential printmaker(s) in our work... either portrait, statement, or image 'a la so-and-so.'

Diane... - internet artist community
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Message 5
From: Daniel Dew
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25950] Re: print exchange
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Call me a freak, but I can't remember one exchange themed "landscape".

Daniel L. Dew
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Message 6
From: "Mary Kuster"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:53:41 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25951] Exchange 22 Participants
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I have not had confirmation for exchange 22 from ......
Bobbie Mandel
Colleen Corradi
Burt Bucher

They have now been replaced with the next three on the wait list.
Frank Trueba
Tony Redman
Robin Morris

Drop-out deadline: October 1st, 2004. If you must drop out of the exchange,
please do so as early as possible in order to give people on the waiting
list time to complete and submit their prints.
Delivery deadline for finished prints: November 1st, 2004. You must deliver
31 prints.

Keep in touch,
Your Coordinator Mary Kuster
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Message 7
From: bette wappner
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:27:50 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25952] Attn: Colleen Corradi
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Would Colleen Corradi please contact me Offlist?

Thank you.

Bette Wappner
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Message 8
From: Thomas Davis
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:07:53 -0400
Subject: [Baren 25953] Re: print exchange
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After the november election, the political theme might be too late at
least in the US. It is a good idea, but the timing is not the best.
I am hoping for normal life again after the elections.

The tribute sounds good too but may not appeal to non-artist types..

To throw out a few other options...
* an interpretation of paradise
* a poet's tribute
* a place to think

If this is not what you meant, let me know.


Art...the new piece of mind.
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Message 9
From: FurryPressII #
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:14:32 EDT
Subject: [Baren 25954] Re: print exchange
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i totally object to the theme my gov't right or wrong

john center
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Message 10
From: "R. Mandel"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:04:38 -0700
Subject: [Baren 25955] Re: Exchange 22
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Hi Mary, It's me again, I just went searching through my past e-mails and
found one from you sent on Sept. 5th, but my name is not on the list of the
four people you needed to hear from; it says Colleen, Amanda Yopp, Burt and
Amanda Lebel.
So,I am not sure where the mix up was, but glad it is settled. Thanks again,
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Message 11
From: "Ewoud Bremer"
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:55:37 +0200
Subject: [Baren 25956] Re: print exchange
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What about:

-An investigation to the phenomenom light
-I want to be a machine - Andy Warhol
-A poem as a theme
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Message 12
From: arl125 #
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:44:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [Baren 25957] Re: Links to members websites and their prints on Baren
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I would like to have my website on the Baren site,
Thanks, Amanda Lebel