Today's postings

  1. [Baren 26059] Re: new print (Sharri LaPierre)
  2. [Baren 26060] Re: new print (Wanda Robertson)
  3. [Baren 26061] Art Copyright (Jeanne Norman Chase)
  4. [Baren 26062] Re: Art Copyright (Thomas Davis)
  5. [Baren 26063] Re: Art Copyright (Thomas Davis)
  6. [Baren 26064] RE: Art Copyright ("Maria Diener (aka Arango)")
  7. [Baren 26065] Re: Baren Digest (old) V28 #2796 (Snoman114 #
  8. [Baren 26066] Re: Art Copyright (Myron Turner)
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Message 1
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:39:23 -0700
Subject: [Baren 26059] Re: new print
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Thanks for the print detail. I am still trying to figure out where the
blue/gray comes from if you only printed red, yellow and brown. What am
I missing, or is my monitor just making colors of its own? (Which it
does whenever it feels like it.) Gorgeous print and carving!

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Message 2
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:29:14 -0700
Subject: [Baren 26060] Re: new print
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This is such a wonderful print, Shireen! I love the layering of the
colors & the resultant multi-colored print. Your drawing and
composition are just great. I *try* to do layering in some of my
hanga prints- but sometimes it is really complicated to think through.

I have a different question for you. I see a lot of cross hatching -
at different angles & many variations. What kind of wood are you
using? And do you have any problem with chunks popping off the block?
Oh, and which gentleman is your brother?

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Message 3
From: Jeanne Norman Chase
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 26061] Art Copyright
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This has not much to do with woodblock printmaking but I think it behooves us to perhaps give a little insight as to copyrighting our work.

I did a woodcut and someone saw it screenprinted on a t shirt. The particular woodcut was not copyrighted. How do you people go about protecting your work?

Jeanne N.
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Message 4
From: Thomas Davis
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:23:12 -0400
Subject: [Baren 26062] Re: Art Copyright
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I read at a government web site that your work is copyrighted even if
you don't say it. You have every right to ask for compensation.

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Message 5
From: Thomas Davis
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:50:05 -0400
Subject: [Baren 26063] Re: Art Copyright
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Here we go.... read "HOW TO SECURE A COPYRIGHT"

I am not a lawyer, but seems reasonably clear that the prints are protected.


Art...the new piece of mind.
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Message 6
From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)"
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Baren 26064] RE: Art Copyright
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Look at the bottom of my website's front page; there is a link to Copyright
Law web page.

This is happening more and more. Apparently folks "out there" think anything
on the web is free to copy. Also, many of my customers think that once they
purchase an art work, they own the image and "can make a few Christmas
cards" from my images.
After the last wonderful experience, I went back and watermarked every
single large image on my website and placed the Copyright information at the
bottom of every gallery page (I have 216 large images and 424 pages on my

So many people have asked me off line that here is a letter I wrote to the
last folk that used one of my images without permission. A lot of tough
sounding blabbity blah got the job done. I got paid and I got exposure on
the company's website for ever more as a "collaborator in design". I omitted
the company's name below. The reference source for the letter is "Art Law"
Volumes I & II, Eds. Lerner/Bresler, pub. Practising Law Institute.

Dang those people!

It has been brought to my attention that a proprietary image from my website
was used in your advertising in ----------------. Upon research I also see
it is being currently used to illustrate your website line. Image in
question is here:

In addition to the watermark on the image itself, this caption appears on
the bottom of every page:

All images in this web site Copyright C Maria Arango, 1999-2999
Reproduction by any means, creation of derivative works, display or
distribution of any and all images without explicit permission from the
artwork's original creator is prohibited by law.
Complete information on Copyright Law can be found here:

Please note that I have not given -------------(company) nor any of its
agents any permissions for such use or any use. Therefore your use of this
image without permission is illegal and protected by copyright law.

This email/letter serves two purposes:

1. Initial order to immediately CEASE AND DESIST any use without permission
of the woodcut image Yggdrasil by Maria Arango for any and all purposes by
you or any of your agencies.

2. Initial immediate request for payment due for one-time reproduction
rights and continued use rights, as follows:

* Published image @ rate of $175 (per publication, per instance)

* Published image on web site, current and ongoing use @ rate of $575
(unlimited web-only use)

* Any additional "in press" advertisement which will be published in
future issues of the mentioned journal or any other journals @ rate of $175
per publication, per instance

3. Should you find it more convenient to acquire non-exclusive
advertising/publication-reproduction rights for unlimited use of the image
for the sole purpose of commercial advertisement [Woodcut: Iggdrasil by
Maria Arango] in both printed and digital media, those rights can be
acquired for a one time payment of $1550 submitted with the proper legally
signed contract. Once such contract is signed by both parties and the monies
received and cleared, the cease and desist order [1.] and request for
payment for prior use(s) of image [2.] may be voided.

The acquisition of advertising/publication-reproduction rights for the sole
purpose of commercial advertisement does not warrant any other rights
including but not limited to the creation of any reproductions or derivative
works, reproduction of the image with intent to sell the image as a stand
alone product or in promotional items (mugs, t-shirts, etc.) or any items
designed for profit, or any other reproduction rights for any additional or
derivative use not explicitly specified in the contract.

I respectfully request that you attend to this matter with expediency and
respond in writing in a timely fashion.

I can be reached (best by email) at:
Maria Arango (aka Maria Diener)
2544 Casey Drive
Las Vegas, NV 89120-1819
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Message 7
From: Snoman114 #
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:47:29 -0400
Subject: [Baren 26065] Re: Baren Digest (old) V28 #2796
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Hello Everyone,
I am new to the BarenForum, and just wanted to introduce myself. I recently moved out to Portland, Oregon after graduating from school in Alfred New York and am trying to find a job and meet some other artists. Barbara Mason reffered me to Baren Forum, and I am hoping to participate in the upcoming printexchange. Thanks, and beautiful print Shireen.

Bobby Rosenstock
Portland, OR
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Message 8
From: Myron Turner
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Baren 26066] Re: Art Copyright
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The only problem with this of course is that you have to be ready to sue
somebody in maybe West Viriginia for $175.

These copyright threats are very hard to enforce. And you are allowed to
sue, from what I recall, only for amounts consistent with what you have
lost. In most instances, that's not enough to cover the legal fees. You
might be awarded legal costs, I suppose, but then you have to take the risk
that you might not be reimbursed.

I had some experience with these issues earlier this year when I
appropriated about 200 images found on the web for a web project. I sent
out many emails asking for permissions. Many people never responded; I
didn't use their stuff. If they didn't explicitly stipulate a copyright
statement, I made a judgment call based on how desperately I wanted to use
the image. Some people questioned me closely about the profitability of
my project (zilch), since all I was offering was acknowledgment. Most
material on government and related web sites are free for use, with
It was often amusing to see big copyright declarations on pages with images
of cousin Bert being dunked in the pool with his clothes on and of the cake
for Auntie Linda's 55th birthday.

Here in Canada the copyright laws are somewhat more forgiving, when the
images are appropriated for use in art. But I forget the details. And of
course this is an important issue in contemporary art and art for the web
where appropriation is central to art-making.
(See Sherry Levine and Michael Mandidberg: