Today's postings

  1. [Baren 27569] wood engraving ("cjpiers") (Lawrence Finn)
  2. [Baren 27570] NHK appearance now on-line ... (Dave Bull)
  3. [Baren 27571] Re: NHK appearance now on-line ... (Mike Lyon)
  4. [Baren 27572] Dave on TV (GWohlken)
  5. [Baren 27573] Re: NHK appearance now on-line ... (Bette Norcross Wappner)
  6. [Baren 27574] RE: Baren Digest (old) V30 #3012 ("marilynn smih")
  7. [Baren 27575] Re: NHK appearance now on-line ... (Wanda Robertson)
  8. [Baren 27576] Print show (Laughing Crow Studio)
  9. [Baren 27577] Famous Dave and La mini-summit mini-report/James Dean and earthquakes (Robin Morris)
  10. [Baren 27578] Re: wood engraving ("cjpiers") (Jeanne Norman Chase)
  11. [Baren 27579] Even Newer Creation ("Dan Dew")
  12. [Baren 27580] wood intaglio experiment ("cjpiers")
  13. [Baren 27581] Re: Famous Dave and La mini-summit mini-report/James Dean and earthquakes (Julio.Rodriguez #
  14. [Baren 27582] Re: Famous Dave and La mini-summit mini-report/James Dean and earthquakes (Robin Morris)
  15. [Baren 27583] Re: wood intaglio experiment (Barbara Mason)
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Message 1
From: Lawrence Finn
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:08:21 +1000
Subject: [Baren 27569] wood engraving ("cjpiers")
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Wood engraving is surface rolled ink and then the ink is removed via paper
and pressure, unlike etching which has the ink squeezed from the crevices.

Metal engravings have been known to be both surface rolled and intaglio
printed (ink pulled from the crevices).

I'm putting on a workshop of wood engraving and color reduction printing
lino blocks for the 16th of April, if anyone is interested please contact
me off list.

So far, I have 4 places taken out of a possible 6.


Lawrence Finn

Gallery 451
Gallery 451, 118 Camden St, Newtown NSW 2042 Australia. Phone +61 02 9565 5931
Viewing by appointment only (except opening nights & Saturdays from
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Message 2
From: Dave Bull
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:45:20 +0900
Subject: [Baren 27570] NHK appearance now on-line ...
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Got broadband? If you can handle an 18Mb video clip, then maybe you
might be interested in seeing an appearance I made two weeks ago on NHK
Japan's lunchtime chat show - 'O-hiru Desuyo!' (It's Lunchtime!)

It's linked from this page:
Or jump directly to the video file at:

Typical chat show stuff ... talk with the host and his two guests, take
a look at a few of my prints, a quick printing demonstration, then
'help' one of the guests pull his own print ...

It was fun, and it was .. live! (for a viewing audience that the
producer told me was typically around 4,000,000 people!)

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Message 3
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Baren 27571] Re: NHK appearance now on-line ...
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Marvelous! MARVELOUS! BRAVO, David! You appeared very relaxed, expressed
yourself well (to the extent I could catch a word here or there) and you
were most entertaining! Good job!

Loved the video, and thanks for sharing!


PS -- now 4,000,001 !!!
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Message 4
From: GWohlken
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:12:46 -0500
Subject: [Baren 27572] Dave on TV
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You sure were poised in front of those camera's, Dave, not to mention
before a live audience. I'm glad we all know something about the
processes, too, because I'm pretty sure most of us on Baren didn't
understand the language, though it was a delight to hear you speak it
as fluidly as it sounded. (To them, do you have a Canadian accent?)
It seems a good taste of information was imparted in just a short time
and because the guy in the pink suit who under your tutelage, tried it
out and made it look kind of easy, every one will be inspired to try.
Also admirable were the young musicians who opened the show.

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Message 5
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:13:03 -0500
Subject: [Baren 27573] Re: NHK appearance now on-line ...
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Dave, What a great video clip! You packed in alot of information and
when you pulled the print off of the black key block, the viewers
reaction was like that of a magic trick! Its quite a delightful
surprise to see the results of a print pulled off a block....especially
a David Bull block :) Thanks for sharing your lunchtime hanga show.
Bette Wappner (Kentucky)
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Message 6
From: "marilynn smih"
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:33:56 -0800
Subject: [Baren 27574] RE: Baren Digest (old) V30 #3012
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Initially I was disapointed in akua kolor. Than I learned to put glycerin (dish soap) on my monotype plates and the pigment released was a good strong color.I also found it does not mix together and give yo good color, you either use it straight out of the bottle or forget it. But you can let it mix on the plate. It is good for monotype and will roll onto a plate, water color and powdered pigments do not do this. All of that was before I tried dry powder, now I am sold on the intense color I get from this. Have yet to try the pigment dispersions from Guerra and may not. It is soooo easy to pack up those packets of powder in my bag and fly between Baja and Washington. As for using a press, well mine has been sitting nicely by a window in Washington while I am down here using a baren
and loving every moment. When I am workng on my art I am never in a hurry, so plan small numbers to run daily and do not tire out.
Approaches and supplies are so varied truly one needs to try things first to know for certain what will and will not work. I keep my akua kolor for my montypes and when it is gone I will use powdered pigments instead.
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Message 7
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:41:27 -0800
Subject: [Baren 27575] Re: NHK appearance now on-line ...
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Don't have broadband - so it only took about 90 minutes to download -
but it was worth it! Great segment. I did catch 3 words: Hokosai,
kento & hai..... :-) Congratulations, Dave.

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Message 8
From: Laughing Crow Studio
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:51:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 27576] Print show
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My gallery is having a national print show in conjuction with University
of New Mexico. Info is below and the link on our website should be up in
a day or so. I would love to see some woodcuts entered. Thanks!

Lezle Williams
Laughing Crow Studio
Albuquerque, NM


"Hand Prints", June 1- July 29, 2005.

Print artists are invited to submit three slides or
three images on cd for a juried exhibition, "Hand
Prints", which is jointly sponsored by New Mexico
PrintMakers and University of New Mexico-Los Alamos
and which will be held at UNM-LA from June 1-July 29
as part of their 25th anniversary celebration. Only
original hand-pulled prints, such as woodcut, linocut,
etching, engraving, monoprint, photopolymer gravure,
lithography, collagraph, etc., will be considered. For
further information go to
or e-mail or
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Message 9
From: Robin Morris
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:10:32 -0800
Subject: [Baren 27577] Famous Dave and La mini-summit mini-report/James Dean and earthquakes
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Bii Murrays words come to mind Dave:

. "I always like to say to people who want to be rich and famous, try
being rich first," he says.
"See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside about
being rich other than
paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you
become famous,
you end up with a 24-hour-job."

Get a large percentage of the 4,000,000 Japanese on your subscription
list, then move to an isolated mountaintop
and get a P.O. box so you can still work, you famous dude!
Dave the TV Star...and I thought I was an oxymoron.
Though some would shorten that title...
All good things come to he who waits...and works.
Mr. Bull You continue to inspire. If one tenth of one percent of those
viewers start (or return to) doing hanga because of you, that's
like 4000 new printmakers Dave! (or is it 400- whatever-)
Its genki as heck.


PS- I had a big weekend , meeting six of the nicest folks. The 800+
miles of driving was nothing, I'd do it again next weekend,
if I could. I fell in love six times. Say I'm easy...whatever. Bea,
Ruth, Glynda, Bobbi. Maria, Georga...such a positive and happening
it was electric...I must have underwhelmed them a tad as I got to Bea's
on "reserve tank" meaning my sleep- deprived brain was about 73%
and much of what they said and did I caught on video tape.
So the dvd project is gathering steam. Ask anyone, I have enough hot
air to boil water! I felt so privileged to visit with and learn from
these dedicated folks.

Bea shared pictures of her paintings, to our collective ooh's and ahs...
and a fab souffle! to and was dynamite with the details. Everyone
found her place (a veritable paradise, every room and the garden
showing quiet and elegant taste...
Her print bench seemed set up with maximum Feng Shui awareness,
centered in the den as trhough it were the most important thing in the
And it is, of course...
and I got to see the PUZZLE PRINT on her wall...WOWWWW! congrats to the
whole group- it needws longer than I had to look, but its on the
website so I'll study it more there...
and Ruth's,and the whole thing came off like clockwork, despite the
fact that I was there...
Bea gave ironclad directions to Maria and Bobbi, and rode with me to
Ruth's...we took, oh, seven or eight freeways all over the place to
reach Venice...
cars, cars, cars, and none of them are too sure they want you to change
lanes...but we got everywhere incident-free.
Even with my motor-mouth running, Bea kept me turning the right way-
how do you DO that?

Maria; I see how she gets the comments of "powerhouse,
unstoppable."..she brought tremendous energy and vitality to us,
and shared so much about the experience of marketing prints...
as someone on the ground, meeting the public, she has a LOT of good
advice for any who'd like to follow, born of observation, and wit...
she obviously deserves her success, and more. Her dad, and hubby. are
lucky guys.
as are we at Baren to know her a bit.

Bobbi was so friendly and upbeat, and really enthusiastic about BOOKs,
which, in their illustrated forms, are more and more drawing me in and
making a central focus for me regarding
prints and engravings. So I know we felt a kinship there. Bea showed us
some very cool graphic art we had missed, from her collection, and we
were eating it up. Bobbi had to leave a little early,
but we'll be visiting and sharing online, I think... : )

Glynda (hope I spelled that right) shared much experience from her
career as a commercial artist,, and she and Maria got going about "art
for art's sake, and money for God's sake"...
she has managed to do her art job while raising 2 kids. And somehow
keep all the love of it alive, anyway. I bow to her perseverance ...I
was never able to do anything but make money and hang with my kids when
they were little.
And was only much good at the latter.

Georga, so kind and ever smiling. Her students must really love
her....I enjoyed talking with her a lot...


Ruth Leaf, last but not least...
Ruth IS printmaking. She hosted the second half of the day...I think
she is tops.
Her house is filled with light, and as much comes from her as from the
California sun.
How welcome we felt, how much fun it was, and how quickly it was all

Baren contains these, and so many more great artists and people. I'm
sticking around! The generosity of spirit is all a good person needs .
Thanks to each and all, especially Ruth, to whom I would propose if I
were younger and stronger.

I also had a fine trip back and stopped in Parkfield, the absolute
epicenter of the San Andreas fault...a beautiful valley of rolling
hills, steep banked streams, and mighty valley oaks.
Synchronicity follows me everywhere, or maybe I'm a moonbat- yeh, I am!
anyway...I had noted the LA observatory from Bea's place, and said,
"Rebel without a cause, right?" as there was a scene I think shot there
with James Dean in the movie.
Then when I turned off, totally spontaneously to Parkfield, apparently
I missed the James Dean memorial at Cholame by several hundred yards...
it was just there he met his sad end in a car crash.
I can recommend Parkfield as a wonderful vacation area, believe it or
not. I lingered there an hour or two yesterday at the cafe, charging my
camera batteries. They have a log cabin inn, a bit pricey at 67 for a
weekend night single (no I didn't stay)
and the USGS is there with seismometrers clicking and clacking-
apparently their nerve center is at the fire station. The fault has
slipped 12.5 feet in about 60 years, and they have a neat monument that
looks as if it broke in half and moved that far from itself, as well as
the silliest Rube Goldberg fountain you've ever seen.
The cafe serves as hangout and meeting place, and the ceiling is
festooned with hundreds of branding irons hanging from the rafters.
I read Elbert Hubbard...then spent an hour in the quietest cemetery I
ever visited,,,there was a river running through a gully across the
road, so I parked and hiked a half mile...
I saw no people even at a distance, and the sounds were of the wind and
the crickets and the birds.
As I left, I saw a strange thing on the ground. A washed out cigarette
box, all the red was gone, and the front of the box said, "Win"
I couldn't resist setting it up like a tiny tombstone and taking
Well, sorry I got so longwinded, but this one-post a day thing makes me
this way.

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Message 10
From: Jeanne Norman Chase
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:41:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 27578] Re: wood engraving ("cjpiers")
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Message 11
From: "Dan Dew"
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:55:01 -0500
Subject: [Baren 27579] Even Newer Creation
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I have gotten a good response so far, so I thought what the heck and listed
another print:

d. dew

P.S. Now you can see why I've been having problems with printing. I want
these details to pop, so.
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Message 12
From: "cjpiers"
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:32:30 -0800
Subject: [Baren 27580] wood intaglio experiment
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Connie from Spokane

Thanks for the info on wood engraving. And the links.

I have done intaglio and I love it but since I do printmaking at home now I don't have an area to keep acid etc. (yet) ;o)

I like the plate tone you can get with intaglio.

I have never tried wood engraving but I thought it would be interesting to try to combine the two processes in some way.

This is my first effort. It's about 2.75 x 11.5.

I tried a couple of new tools I made. Sort of mezzo tools for wood.
I pulled it on a small table top proof press.
I used charbonnel etching ink straight out of the tube.
I had some very tiny tiny places where the paper didn't get into the line well enough to pull the ink out so I am trying to determine whether I need a little more pressure or stiffer ink so as to be sure not to wipe out too much.

Any thoughts ???

I am going to try another in combo with relief next time.

Connie Pierson
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Message 13
From: Julio.Rodriguez #
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:05:18 -0600
Subject: [Baren 27581] Re: Famous Dave and La mini-summit mini-report/James Dean and earthquakes
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Great report Robin, sounds like you guys had a great time in LA, I think
that area has the largest concentration of Baren folks....second only to
the Pacific Northwest Oregon/Vancouver described everyone to
a 'T'. I am looking forward to the 2006 Summit, it should be a fun time
for all !

thanks...Julio Rodriguez (Skokie, Illinois)
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Message 14
From: Robin Morris
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:44:41 -0800
Subject: [Baren 27582] Re: Famous Dave and La mini-summit mini-report/James Dean and earthquakes
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Thanks, Julio.
BY then I hope to have visited or been visited bt evryone I can in the
group. I might well make a midwestern swing, to meet Gayle and Mike
among others, and see my old hometown (Champaign).
But for right now there seems a lot to cover out here.

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Message 15
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baren 27583] Re: wood intaglio experiment
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You need to change the date on your is coming in as the year 2000 so I really had to hunt for your messages!
I think it is a balance with the might try different papers. Some sure absorb more than others for Intaglio. the softer the paper the more it absorbs up to a point. Arches cover is good as is rives BFk....there are so many good ones. Soak it at least 20 minutes and blot the excess water off on bath towels before printing. The paper should be dull after blotting, no shiny spots. I liked your image, good use of space. Try relief rolling a subtle color on top of the block after you wipe will sort of even out the print and hide any little ink mishaps as this is hard to wipe at best, you keep pulling the ink out of the lines trying to wipe the surface clean. I have not had great results with printing wood as intaglio but know it can be done as I have seen great work...Eric Gill has done it very well.
Best to you,