Today's postings

  1. [Baren 27887] email P.R. ("Rudolf Stalder")
  2. [Baren 27888] mall and stuff (Barbara Mason)
  3. [Baren 27889] Woodblock puzzle ... (Dave Bull)
  4. [Baren 27890] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (Robin Morris)
  5. [Baren 27891] rooster labels ("Maria Diener (aka Arango)")
  6. [Baren 27892] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (MccarthyDb #
  7. [Baren 27893] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (MccarthyDb #
  8. [Baren 27894] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (Bette Norcross Wappner)
  9. [Baren 27895] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (Bette Norcross Wappner)
  10. [Baren 27896] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (Mike Lyon)
  11. [Baren 27897] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... ("Dan Dew")
  12. [Baren 27898] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (Darrell Madis)
  13. [Baren 27899] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... (Wanda Robertson)
  14. [Baren 27900] Re: Woodblock puzzle ... ("cjpiers")
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Message 1
From: "Rudolf Stalder"
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:33:28 -0400
Subject: [Baren 27887] email P.R.
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to Princess Rashid : received your email in regard of LPE-III, but mail to
is rejected (unrouteable address, automatically mail delivery) . Also, access to your web-site is denied.

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Message 2
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 27888] mall and stuff
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Hi all,
The Mall is temporarily out of the Yamaguchi and Iwano paper.....I was busy and not paying attention and suddenly it is all gone. We will order more but it could be a month before we have it.

On another note I just got an email from someone wanting to know if we were open and busy...guess the posts have tappered off due to spring and all the exchanges that are due about now. I had three myself...and know I am not alone. Also after 40 years of art making I am getting so popular...can hardly get it all done for my upcoming if sales follow I will be a happy camper!

Welcome to new people and we will try to post more....after June.

Dave, I loved the fish...what a great print. So simple and so elegant. Wow, they just get better and better.
Best to all,
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Message 3
From: Dave Bull
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:33:36 +0900
Subject: [Baren 27889] Woodblock puzzle ...
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I received an interesting email this morning, but before answering him,
I'd like to get some other opinion on what this is. I'll quote his
mail in a minute, but the nub of the matter is this:

- he's got a woodblock for a two-colour print, carved on both sides
(one for red, one for black)

- carving is in _positive_ orientation, nor reversed, as is usual with
relief blocks

- he also has a print of the design, in two colours, but _smaller_ in
size. Some of the lines are subtly different, so it must have been made
from other blocks, but it's certainly the 'same' image.

He is asking me, as I am asking you ... "What's going on?"

Any ideas?



> Dear David,
> I have recently acquired a woodblock which puzzles me.
> It has accurate detail carvings, as shown in the linked images below
> and looks original to me, especially since I was able to compare with
> a similar (smaller in size) woodblock print.
> One side of the wood has the red printing plate; the other has the
> black printing plate.
> But, both the text and the carved image are as printed on the end
> result.
> Shouldn?ft they be carved as a mirror image?
> Maybe this was used for some early stage of design in the process of
> making the final block?
> Is this woodblock authentic?
> Have you ever seen such delicate craft which is not mirrored?
> Or maybe it was used in other printing method?
> I would very much appreciate your opinion.
> Best regards,
> Yecheal
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Message 4
From: Robin Morris
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:46:27 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27890] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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Dave, it looks more like an engraving than a woodblock at first glance-
do you think the print is the original and the block was copied from

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Message 5
From: "Maria Diener (aka Arango)"
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:41:52 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27891] rooster labels
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I have converted and edited the rooster addresses as .doc (Microcaca Word)
labels; Avery type 8460, which are the most common address labels. Or you
can just print them out and cut them with a laser guided paper cutter (or
scissors, lacking such device, doesn't everyone have one these days?).
Incidentally, if you didn't bother with caps when you entered your
name/address, that's how it came out.

Free for the asking, send me an offlist email and you'll get back the
Disclaimer, I am not responsible...that's it: I am not responsible.


Maria Arango
Las Vegas Nevada USA
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Message 6
From: MccarthyDb #
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:57:34 EDT
Subject: [Baren 27892] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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perhaps they were used in early offset printing- which would explain the
right printing
they remind me of bookplates,
what does the lettering say?
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Message 7
From: MccarthyDb #
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:59:45 EDT
Subject: [Baren 27893] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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i've seen some early offset contraptions which picked up an image on a roll
from a metal plate and then printed on a cylindrical surface like a coffee can
whoops- sorry - twice
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Message 8
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Baren 27894] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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Perhaps the image of the print has been flopped digitally?
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Message 9
From: Bette Norcross Wappner
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:07:47 -0400
Subject: [Baren 27895] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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Upon closer evaluation, i agree that this print was printed from another
set of blocks and did not come from this block.
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Message 10
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:56:44 -0500
Subject: [Baren 27896] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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Perhaps it was intended to be printed through from the back of the paper
Munakata style? Or for rubbing rather than printing (but that the blocks
were inked seems to negate this)... I tend to agree with Bobette --
because the ink appears to be primarily on the surface as if the block had
been rolled and not brushed, maybe these blocks were offset printed?

-- Mike

PS -- so what's YOUR take on it? Can't wait to hear!
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Message 11
From: "Dan Dew"
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:58:22 -0400
Subject: [Baren 27897] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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O.K., my try.
I have seen students copying master's works in museum's and such. Maybe
this was a novice who had the print to work from, just didn't understand the
process enough to carve it in reverse.
So, the print is from the "original" blocks, and the blocks he has are the

d. dew
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Message 12
From: Darrell Madis
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 27898] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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The print sure looks like a label. It had to have been carved from different blocks than the blocks you show (different size, different proportions, noticeable difference in the shape of the comb.)
Done for practice or as student's work?

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Message 13
From: Wanda Robertson
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:43:42 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27899] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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My guess - he bought/acquired the print, decided he/she could do that -
carved the 2 blocks just like the print. Then printed them & found the
mistake so got rid of the whole thing - blocks & prints. I've seen a
lot of linoblocks carved & printed once for those reasons. However, I
am certainly open to a more positive take on this! Such lovely wood
carving! And colors well thought out. What does it say? Year 2005?
Year of the rooster?

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Message 14
From: "cjpiers"
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:19:15 -0700
Subject: [Baren 27900] Re: Woodblock puzzle ...
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Hi all,

I don't even pretend to know very much about eastern printmaking
tradition/styles etc. but looking at the pictures I think the blocks look
like the carving is done alot better than the carving on the blocks that
made the print shown here.
So maybe the blocks are intended to be printed the way Mike said "Munakata"
but the printed sample was a copy that was carved and printed in the usual
reverse way.
I don't know but they are sure great to look at.
What do they say?
in Spokane