Today's postings

  1. [Baren 28326] Re: Own Original Chinese Copies of Real Western Art! (Tyrus Clutter)
  2. [Baren 28327] Wandering rooster minstrels (cucamongie #
  3. [Baren 28328] Re: t-shirts and greeting cards? (Ragtaghorde #
  4. [Baren 28329] Carol Lyons' Post re Maria's Baren Puzzle Project at the Donnell Libary Center in Manhattan (GWohlken)
  5. [Baren 28330] test (Barbara Mason)
  6. [Baren 28331] Re: t-shirts and greeting cards?- ("Carol Myers")
  7. [Baren 28332] Re: New wood supplier in the US? (Mike Lyon)
  8. [Baren 28333] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
  9. [Baren 28334] Re: t-shirts and greeting cards? (Andrew)
  10. [Baren 28335] Shina Ordering from Japan (Jan Telfer)
  11. [Baren 28336] Re: 2006 summit ("M Pereira")
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Message 1
From: Tyrus Clutter
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:38:10 -0400
Subject: [Baren 28326] Re: Own Original Chinese Copies of Real Western Art!
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Yes, one of my artist friends just e-mailed this to me this morning. At
first it didn't bother me, but I was a little more alarmed as I went through
the article further. I'm sure Dave would remind us of the long tradition of
reproducing the images of others. However, there are some "East meets West"
issues that are coming forward here. It is a little odd that people in China
are copying van Gogh images--actually it is a bit ironic considering his
copying of Japanese prints.


Please note that my e-mail address will change to
beginning July 1, 2005. Please update your address book. Thank you.

Tyrus Clutter
Director, Christians in the Visual Arts
255 Grapevine Road
Wenham, MA 01984

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978-867-4125: Fax

Christians in the Visual Arts is the premier visual arts organization
connecting the artist, the Church, and the culture.
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Message 2
From: cucamongie #
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:26:07 -0400
Subject: [Baren 28327] Wandering rooster minstrels
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Sharri, thanks for the nice words about my rooster print!

for those who have no idea what we're talking about, I was not on the official rooster list, so a while ago I posted that anyone who wanted to exchange roosters could contact me offline. I was a bit late in getting my rooster print together, so he has finally gone out to those folks who had contacted me.

Best wishes all, and hope you're all having a great year of the Rooster!

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Message 3
From: Ragtaghorde #
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:41:42 EDT
Subject: [Baren 28328] Re: t-shirts and greeting cards?
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Andrew writes:
> I would prefer to
> have total control of the printing, etc but have been intrigued by
> printing services like printcafe. Has anyone used that service?

I haven't used any of the online services, but I have friends who have used and are very happy with it. Because they are POD (print on
demand) there is no possibility of ending up with boxes of unsold product stashed
in a closet or under your bed. The amount of profit you make is less per item
than if you buy a wholesale quantity from a regular printer, but you also
don't have *any* capital tied up.

I do know one person whose volume grew to the point where it was worth her
while to have product mass produced, but she is also the sort of go getter/self
marketer that would be a success at anything. The people I know who have been
unhappy with cafepress are the sort who made a page of product and then just
sat back and waited for customers to appear from thin air. Ain't gonna

The quality is pretty good. The better you follow their recommendations as
to file size/dpi etc. the better your results. I'm planning on having some
stuff made (cards, mugs, t-shirts) of some of my animal prints. I know a lot of
dog people who like my work but don't have the money or sophistication to buy
original art. They have asked often about my having cards made but I haven't
wanted/been able to spend the kind of money up front that full color printing
of greeting cards takes. This way all I have to do is have a really good scan
made and uploaded!

Annie (the *other* new Annie)

PS does anyone have recommendations for how I can make a page of my work
cheaply or free? I'd like to be able to show off my stuff to fellow bareners
before I get around to actually building a website.

Annie Fitt
& the Ragtag Horde ~ Whippets of Mass Destruction!
Wake, Virginia
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Message 4
From: GWohlken
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Baren 28329] Carol Lyons' Post re Maria's Baren Puzzle Project at the Donnell Libary Center in Manhattan
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Twice Carol Lyons' post did not show up in the html digest version of
Baren, so I'll try to repeat it here. Hope it shows in the digest this
time. Often when I try to repost from the old digest (which is where
it showed up fine), I too have a problem getting it to appear in the
html version. Sorry about the redundancy for those who receive the
messages directly rather than by digest.

> Hi,
> I just hung an exhibit, including Maria's Baren Puzzle Project at the
> Donnell Library Center, 20 W.53 ST. in Manhattan from today until
> July 28.. It is
> just inside the main entrance in a locked glass case. The other
> cases have
> some of my decalcomania (unique prints) and woodblocks.
> IMHO The Puzzle Project Print can compete and more with MOMA across
> the
> street.
> I asked two ladies to come over so I could take a photo. Then they
> got very
> interested in all the prints. They were an Asian Mother and teenage
> daughter, making comments and pointing to many parts of the puzzle.
> We got into a
> question and answer conversation. The teenager pointed to Frank
> Trueba's
> print and said of the characters in it "That's my name in Japanese,
> 'Wisdom' " .
> There's other mounted information about Baren and the brochure. The 2
> enjoyed hearing something about David and Maria

>Carol Lyons

~Gayle Wohlken
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Message 5
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 28330] test
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Message 6
From: "Carol Myers"
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Baren 28331] Re: t-shirts and greeting cards?-
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Hi Annie,
I have a great suggestions for free web space, start a blog. It is free, easy to upload images, and fun. go to sign in and start. It took me longer to name my blog than get it up and running. Or you could just post to the Baren blog. Good fun!

Carol M. in steamy Indy

Carol L. Myers (under construction)
Studio Art Quilt Associates
Regional Representative, IN-OH
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Message 7
From: Mike Lyon
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Baren 28332] Re: New wood supplier in the US?
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Marco Flavio wrote:
>I am looking for either basswood or magnolia (or good shina again, but no
>1mm veneer, it needs to be at least 3, 4 mm). I welcome any suggestion for
>good plates mail-order, if you feel like recommending a place.

Basswood planks in thicknesses of 1 to 4 inches are widely available all
over the US and are relatively inexpensive -- less than shina
plywood... Plane or sand flat and smooth before carving. google "hardwood
basswood" + your city name for a supplier near you -- available in widths
of 12 to 16 inches, and don't get too thin a plank, as less than 3/4 inch
tend to warp during water printing. I usually buy from either of two
Kansas City hardwood suppliers, Paxton the Woodsource and/ or Schutte
Lumber. Basswood plank does tend to print slightly more pronounced grain
than shina ply (although they're similar, really).

-- Mike

Mike Lyon
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Message 8
From: Blog Manager
Date: 19 Jul 2005 03:50:02 -0000
Subject: [Baren 28333] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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This is an automatic update message being sent to [Baren] by the forum blog software.

The following new entries were found on the listed printmaker's websites during the past 24 hours. (6 sites checked, just before midnight Eastern time)


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Item: Trial proof : Medieval Rooftop : Gainsborough : Lincolnshire : UK


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Message 9
From: Andrew
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:45:31 -0700
Subject: [Baren 28334] Re: t-shirts and greeting cards?
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Hello Ellen,

The clocks are made from vintage soviet nixie tubes, these tubes were
manufactured in russia until the late nineties but in the west they
stopped making them in the early seventies. The clock 'machinery' is a
modern small microprocessor that I wrote the code for. The cases are
made from exotic woods and discarded computer circuit boards. I love the
look of the circuit boards. I've made a quite a bit of furniture and
what-not out of it. The clocks have sold on ebay in the $200 to $300
dollar range but they are expensive to make in terms of time and
components. In another life I was a technical support person for
unix/linux wordprocessors and networking...

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Message 10
From: Jan Telfer
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:31:08 +0800
Subject: [Baren 28335] Shina Ordering from Japan
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Dear Marco,

It is nice to be able to do you a favour for a change!!

I had the same problem here in Perth and David Bull gave me this address

> I'm sure Matsumura-san at 'Woodlike Matsumura' can help you. We can't
> put his shina in the Baren Mall because the shipping for small pieces
> is just too expensive, but if you are looking for larger quantities, I
> am sure the cost will be more reasonable.
> Take a look at their web site, then write to them (in English is no
> problem) ...

I got in touch with them and my wood is on its way. Should be here
within a week or two......

Their website gives you many choices for Shina with no seams on one or
either side so that you can use both. I chose the 4mm thickness
because of transport and that is what I have been using.... their shop
size was restrictive to handle in shipping so they have cut it for me
in half. I ordered:

> The order will thus be as follows:
> No. 2 - 4 mm Shina Plywood -one side no joint - 606 mmx 915 mm - 18
> pieces
> The wood will fit into two packages - each one weighing 11.85 kg.
> The shipping cost will thus be 7,450 yen x 2 = 14,900 yen, and delivery
> (by sea) is expected to take something over one month.
> The total price is 38,300 yen; we are going to ship the wood as soon as
> we receive your remittance by International Postal Order.
> Thank you
> WoodLike Matsumura Ltd.
> Kamishakujii 1-11-9
> Nerima-ku, Tokyo
> 177-0044 JAPAN
> HomePage:
> E-mail:
They were really really helpful and perfect English and very efficient.

This order cost me $472.38AUS about $360US or there abouts. It sounds
a lot of money....and believe me it is, but when you are as isolated as
I am then it is nice to have a good supply. I will see how much it is
in "real terms" and I may never need to order again.......
or..........I may be so enthusiastic I may need to put in another order
post haste, but I decided I would lash out this time.

Payment - A word of caution though...... They initially asked for an
International Postal Order which I sent..... ours are in American
Dollars, but instead of banking it which they should have done, their
Post Office would not accept it (and it was returned) and so I
eventually sent my money from here on the Electronic Bank Transfer to
their bank in Japanese yen.... hence the delay in sending my wood.

I hope you have some "joy" here Marco. They also have other supplies
as well for woodblock printing.

When is your next exhibition?

Mine is coming up in October...... all photographed on slides, CD and
framed..... about 40 pieces in all..... so now I am broke!!


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Message 11
From: "M Pereira"
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:42:19 -0300
Subject: [Baren 28336] Re: 2006 summit
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i talk about the summit in the university
to an engraver teacher - she had studied
in the 80's in NY - I saw for a book
of Kate Kollowtiz I borrowed fom her.
This lady, a great graphic artist and
teacher - is interested in participation
in the summit. I told her to write to the list.