Today's postings

  1. [Baren 34191] Theme ("Jeanne Norman Chase")
  2. [Baren 34192] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007) (Lana Lambert)
  3. [Baren 34193] RE: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007) ("Lee Churchill")
  4. [Baren 34194] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007) (Charles Morgan)
  5. [Baren 34195] Re: Theme for Exchange #35 (Reneeaugrin # aol.com)
  6. [Baren 34196] adhesives to mount hand-made paper woodcuts ("Maria Arango")
  7. [Baren 34197] Re: Theme for Exchange #35 (Tiberiu Chelcea)
  8. [Baren 34198] Theme for Exchange #35 (grassell)
  9. [Baren 34199] Re: Qs About Working Large (Lynita Shimizu)
  10. [Baren 34200] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007) (Lynn Starun)
  11. [Baren 34201] Re: Theme for Exchange #35 (Sharri LaPierre)
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Message 1
From: "Jeanne Norman Chase"
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:43:13 -0400
Subject: [Baren 34191] Theme
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History?????

Indians?????

Poetry in Art
(line from a poem, illustrated)

My 2 cents

Jeanne
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Message 2
From: Lana Lambert
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 34192] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007)
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I hope I am posting this right but here goes....

Please cast my vote for Fairy Tales!

-Lana Lambert
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Message 3
From: "Lee Churchill"
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:56 -0600
Subject: [Baren 34193] RE: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007)
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Lee, what are the tried and true adhesives? Rice paste? Anything else?


Rice starch paste, wheat starch paste and high grade gelatin (hide glue)
that hasn't been cooked on too high heat or too long are really the
best.

Jade 403 is what conservators use for PVA but the Canadian Conservation
Institute tested many commercial PVAs and found that Weld Bond was good
quality and didn't change it's formulation over many years. They've
published articles on it that are available through university online
services.

Even the cold mount adhesives that Sharri is talking about break down,
and most bookbinders (you can check the archives at
http://www.philobiblon.com/) have given up on YES paste because they
have had batches that turn brown in the jar.

I checked on the Durotech website but they don't give any technical
specs on the material (though the fact that it is on a polyester base is
nice) unless they tell you the type of acrylic polymers used in the
adhesive, I would be wary of trusting it.

I will call the 800 number but my experience with Xerox says they will
say that the specs are trade secrets...


>People seem to have missed one word in my last post. The word was
>"like", I said the adhesive I use is "like" a double sided tape. It
>is NOT, however, an actual double sided tape. It is a cold mount
>adhesive used mainly by photographers and is as archival as Yes glue
>or any other ph neutral adhesive. It is sold by Durotech Corp. and
>is called Duromount R. Their website is http://www.durotechcorp.com.
>
>I hope that will settle a few questions. If you have others, you can
>contact Durotech directly and I'm sure they can answer any concerns
>you might have. They have an 800 number on their site.
>
>Cheers~
>Sharri

Lee.
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Message 4
From: Charles Morgan
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 34194] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007)
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Soooo, do I understand you correctly to say that good old WELD BOND is "archival" for art work?? That would make life a lot easier!!!

Cheers ..... Charles

Lee, what are the tried and true adhesives? Rice paste? Anything else?

Rice starch paste, wheat starch paste and high grade gelatin (hide glue) that hasnít been cooked on too high heat or too long are really the best.
Jade 403 is what conservators use for PVA but the Canadian Conservation Institute tested many commercial PVAs and found that Weld Bond was good quality and didnít change itís formulation over many years. Theyíve published articles on it that are available through university online services.
Even the cold mount adhesives that Sharri is talking about break down, and most bookbinders (you can check the archives at http://www.philobiblon.com/) have given up on YES paste because they have had batches that turn brown in the jar.
I checked on the Durotech website but they donít give any technical specs on the material (though the fact that it is on a polyester base is nice) unless they tell you the type of acrylic polymers used in the adhesive, I would be wary of trusting it.
I will call the 800 number but my experience with Xerox says they will say that the specs are trade secretsÖ

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Message 5
From: Reneeaugrin # aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:17:20 EDT
Subject: [Baren 34195] Re: Theme for Exchange #35
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Since I brought it up, I would have to say:

Story telling (thank you Bea, I also thought it would call to mind many
options)

But then Maps would be really good -- maybe for another time.

The others were also good but also for another exchange.

Renee

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Message 6
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:41:13 -0700
Subject: [Baren 34196] adhesives to mount hand-made paper woodcuts
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Lee, I have for long searched for a quicker better "archivaler" way to mount
my woodcuts on float mounts for framing/display. Currently I use heavily
textured and sometimes embossed hand-made papers so any heat-press type
mounts are out of the question. I have heard both evil things and high
praise for Yes paste but do not like the way it behaves for my needs. It
also tends to get very brittle in the art festival environment.
I know the world of outdoor festivals and the world of conservation aren't
exactly compatible at times but I continue to search for the ideal adhesive
to float mount woodcuts keeping in mind the longevity issue and tossing in
the durability issue.

I have heard of mixing rice paste or wheat starch paste with something like
Lineco's PVA glue to add strength and durability as well as making them less
palatable to insect attacks. So far I am having good results but fear for
longevity and reversibility, although a framer who remounted some of my
prints for a client said that warm water and a little heat released the
print without harm to the paper.

What are your thoughts on this practice? Any other suggestions?

Thanks,
Maria


Maria Arango
www.1000woodcuts.com
www.artfestivalguide.info
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Message 7
From: Tiberiu Chelcea
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:46:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 34197] Re: Theme for Exchange #35
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Here's my order (best to worst):

Maps

Story Telling

Fairy Tales

Tall Tales (not very sure what these are, though)

Paranormal

Cats in fairy tales and fiction

Tibi

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Message 8
From: grassell
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Baren 34198] Theme for Exchange #35
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Since this will be the first exchange that I will be participating in, I
would like to see the theme be "Story Telling."

Mary Grassell
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Message 9
From: Lynita Shimizu
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:09:07 -0400
Subject: [Baren 34199] Re: Qs About Working Large
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Several days ago, Annie Bissett wrote:
> I never understood the "carrier sheet" idea up until now. I thought
> it went *under* the paper, so I couldn't imagine how the paper was
> then released onto the block. So here's a new question: what size
> (thickness) is the mylar you use, Lynita?

Sorry to be late replying. I just returned from a trip to find your
question.
I looked up what I've been calling mylar and discover what I have
been using is a product called "Dura-lar", which is described on the
Jerry's Artarama website as an "Acid-Free & Archival - Crystal Clear
- Will Not Yellow Or Discolor - Dimensionally Stable, Stays Flat"
product which is supposed to be superior to acetate. Its thickness
is 3 mil (.003").

Best wishes,
Lynita
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Message 10
From: Lynn Starun
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baren 34200] Re: New Baren Digest (HTML) V41 #4065 (Oct 4, 2007)
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Hi All,

Here's my ordering of the list:

Maps

Fairy Tales

Cats in fairy tales and fiction

Story Telling

Paranormal

Tall Tales



I would put Maps way up high and everything else way
below 8~) I don't know why.

Lynn Allison Starun
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Message 11
From: Sharri LaPierre
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Baren 34201] Re: Theme for Exchange #35
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If I were participating, which I am not because my inner child says I
cannot say yes to one more thing until I say no to one. But, if I
were, it would be for maps of paranormal story telling of tall fairy
tales with cats.

Actually, one of my favorite prints from my trip to Russia is of an
old Russian folk tale. I think "story telling" would encompass fairy
tales, with or without cats, tall tales, and folk tales. The only
thing missing would be maps and paranormal, so maybe save those for
next time -

Cheers ~
Sharri