Today's postings

  1. [Baren 35781] Re: MFA Printmaking Programs? (Marissa)
  2. [Baren 35782] Re: MFA Printmaking Programs? (Kris Wiltse)
  3. [Baren 35783] education MFA (guadalupe victorica reyes)
  4. [Baren 35784] A Not So Boaring Tale... ("Ellen Shipley")
  5. [Baren 35785] Re: Printmaking MFA and Tachen's Hiroshige (L Cass)
  6. [Baren 35786] John Center (Carole Baker)
  7. [Baren 35787] Exchange 36 (Carole Baker)
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Message 1
From: Marissa
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Baren 35781] Re: MFA Printmaking Programs?
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Watching this discussion has shown that people that have or are getting an
MFA will of course say it is worth it, after all it is expensive. And people
that don't have them will justify not getting one maybe because it is
something they wish they could have done, or maybe not.

Personally I don't plan on teaching and I don't have fifty+ grand lying
around so I will have to settle for not being a better person.


Sharri LaPierre

> Imen Yeh has said it best. An MFA teaches you more about art and how to
> make art than the techniques of making art. You probably will not learn
> cutting or printing techniques beyond the very basics, but you will learn a
> lot about what it takes to make art. You will be forced to explore a
> particular imagery until you think there is not possibly one thing left that
> you can do with this, and then you will do ten more! You will reach all the
> way down to your toes for the where-with-all to do this, but you WILL come
> out a better artist, and incidentally, probably a better person. (If being
> better educated equates to being a better person - I like to believe that it
> does :-) If you can do it, I encourage everyone to go for an MFA, besides,
> you may want to teach someday and nowadays you can't hardly find a teaching
> position without an MFA - it is a requirement in many places. Good Luck and
> go for it! Send us all an invite to your graduation ceremonies -
> Cheers ~
> Sharri

~marissa lee
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Message 2
From: Kris Wiltse
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:53:03 -0700
Subject: [Baren 35782] Re: MFA Printmaking Programs?
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It's indeed a sad state of affairs that our educational system has
come to that. Way back when, having been a California resident in my
youth, and while in college, my education was free. Oh wait. I think
I paid $275 per semester at Long Beach State. And throw in lack of
funding for the arts. It takes courage and stick-tuitivness to be an
artist. Although in my case, what else can I do? And it is life.


Kris Wiltse
Clinton, Whidbey Island
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Message 3
From: guadalupe victorica reyes
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:07:48 +0000
Subject: [Baren 35783] education MFA
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I have a BA in Plastic Art but went to Communication Research for the postgraduate workshops.
I took art again in 2005 as an aid to Human development.
Last year I enlisted in an art history class. I always thought that I will
not learn much of what I already know and that I could read books on art.
The class was very inexpensive so I signed.
To my surprise when I am in there I have to write down the ideas I get from
listening to the teacher and looking at the art that I already know. It
seems that ideas start to connect somehow I cannot explain.
If I had the money and the time I would continue studying.
Greetings from Mexico, Guadalupe
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Message 4
From: "Ellen Shipley"
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:18:48 -0700
Subject: [Baren 35784] A Not So Boaring Tale...
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Hey Gillyin,

Your boar just a large official envelope. It's been a busy
little boar. It was instrumental in a federal case of mail fraud!

Several months ago I got a letter from the Department of Justice stating
that I was a victim of mail fraud and that the culprit was caught with my
mail in his possession. I was given a number to contact and the nice agent
in charge of my case told me that someone had been stealing from the
regional sorting station for six months (!) and had just been caught red
handed with half a dozen pieces of mail, mine among them.

She said I'd eventually get my mail, when the case was over, and from what
she described I was pretty sure it was a print.

Well it was. It was your boar. 8-] It was only slightly mangled at one
end (opened and resealed poorly), but it's otherwise undamaged. And what an
adventure he has to tell!

I really couldn't believe that someone would think a thin piece of paper
folded to be its own envelop could possibly be mistaken for an envelope
carrying cash. But as my husband pointed out, from the outside it looks
like one of those safety envelopes -- the kind that are printed all over the
inside so you can't see through them. Nevermind it was as flimsy as an
airmail envelope! I didn't say this guy was smart. ;-j

I'm glad my boar could be of some use in catching this thief. But what I
want to know is, why did it take six months?!

BTW, it's a wonderful print. I love it.


Ellen Shipley
Trompt As Writ
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Message 5
From: L Cass
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Baren 35785] Re: Printmaking MFA and Tachen's Hiroshige
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I have to add a few comments to this discussion re studies - when I
was very young I was fortunate enough to attend an art school(s) that
gave diplomas - in
the days before fine arts departments were really well established
and relevant at Universities - one was in 'Art School' to learn from
from accomplished artists
in several disciplines (painting, sculpture,printmaking,etc) and
mingle with other students - it was the full old fashioned 'bohemian'
art scene which universities
have now replaced. Funnily enough, like Andy, I also obtained a
Master's degree in another discipline as a mature student which
quite apart from writing papers,
passing exams, and having more knowledge in another field, etc gave
me a renewed kind of 'staying power' when I returned to art.

So much depends on an individual's needs and the programs which can
differ so much at various universities - I agree that technical stuff
can be learned in other
ways but a degree is usually demanded for teaching jobs (unless you
become a 'superstar) . However if you're not really strong on
self-discipline a demanding MFA
program can help a lot and you hopefully make contact with like minds.

BTW last Saturday I went to the Wayzgoose (does everyone know what a
'Wayzgoosef is ? printmakers should - but I confess that I was
ignorant 'til now)
festival in Grimsby Ont (with Clive Lewis who'd mentioned it on the
forum). It was a super event -celebrating their 30th yr there - many
interesting printmakers
as well as independent presses and printing esoterica - anyone living
within a reasonable distance should really try for it next year!

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Message 6
From: Carole Baker
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:19:15 -0800
Subject: [Baren 35786] John Center
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John, If you read this, please contact me about Exchange 36.

If anyone out there knows how I might contact John, please let me know.

Carole Baker
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Message 7
From: Carole Baker
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:49:53 -0800
Subject: [Baren 35787] Exchange 36
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Hello again,

The dead line is past and I only have 15 sets of prints.

I have received prints from the following. Thank you all for being

Ruth Leaf
Joseph Taylor
Marilynn Smith
Guadalupe Victorica
Tiberiu Chelcea
Eileen Corder
Alex Orgren
Daryl DePry
Gayle Wohlken
Darrell Madis
Robert Simola
Michael Gaffney
Jean Womack Jean, I still need you print details
George Jarvis

I am still awaiting prints from the following. A few of you have
told me that yours are in the mail. From what the rest of you have
told me, I'm expecting that you will all have them in the mail by the
beginning of next week. If you will not, please let me know.

Kristine Alder
Johnny Appleby
Maria Arango
Diane Cutter
Aeleen Frisch
Mary Kuster
Sharen Linder
Jeanne Norman Chase
Barbara Patera
Heather Piazza
Bridget Pilip
Frank Trueba
Renee A. Ugrin
Kathe Welch

And then there is:

John Center. Where are you?

Carole Baker
Exchange 36 coordinator