Today's postings

  1. [Baren 36580] Re: Gathering gems (Scholes Graham)
  2. [Baren 36581] BAREN etiquette ("bobcatpath #")
  3. [Baren 36582] Re: BAREN etiquette (Shireen Holman)
  4. [Baren 36583] Re: BAREN etiquette (Marissa)
  5. [Baren 36584] disagreeing ("Jeanne Norman Chase")
  6. [Baren 36585] Re: vivid secondary colors w/ M.Hanga (ArtfulCarol #
  7. [Baren 36586] Re: disagreeing (Shawn + Elizabeth Newton)
  8. [Baren 36587] Re: BAREN etiquette (Scholes Graham)
  9. [Baren 36588] OMG people! ("DePry Clan")
  10. [Baren 36589] Re: disagreeing (Scholes Graham)
  11. [Baren 36590] Re: BAREN etiquette (Scholes Graham)
  12. [Baren 36591] Re: BAREN etiquette (Scholes Graham)
  13. [Baren 36592] RE: BAREN etiquette CLOSED ("Maria Arango")
  14. [Baren 36593] Seconded (Gayle Wohlken)
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Message 1
From: Scholes Graham
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:14 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36580] Re: Gathering gems
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It would be nice to see a heading at the top (not subject line) of the
email that defines....
Moka hanga.

I say this because in reading this post I am not sure which process
Jennifer is using.
The second paragraph sounds like Lino and the last paragraph sounds
like moka hanga.

On the subject of Dremel tools.... You will find that these don’t cut
a clean and accurately as a good carving tool
Using a Dremel across the grain produces a fuzzy edge, which if not
cleaned up will result in a similar printed edge.
The other problem is that the dremel has a mind of its own and wants
to wander in the hands of an inexperience operator...
and even experienced handler.... You might eventually get the hang of
it but in the meantime you will spoil some plates.
I have a power chisel (Ryobi make) that works beautifully if one has a
lot of large areas to remove. ... I use it only on very hard woods
like Maple, Birch ... Yew wood. Have used this only a couple of times
for a special project. For Basswood and Cherry the Japanese tools....
Asagata and Soai Nomi and Kento Nomi chisels are recommended and is
what I use. You will only need one of these to start. Asagata 1st and
then add Kento Nomi when you sell your first print. ( I have been experimenting again, and am so grateful to the forum for
> the wealth of info so freely shared.
> In the blog I have just posted I show pictures of using vinyl floor
> covering to cut out blocks. Thank you for that idea with details how
> to do it. I also used the changing blotter drying technique for
> drying the owl print as I had used embossing and was nervous about
> flattening that out by using weights. Certainly the technique worked
> well.
> I had been getting a problem on getting stray pigment on the prints
> while they are waiting their turn for the next round. I traced the
> problem to ink being caught on the plastic covering which was
> keeping the pile damp. This time I tried using baking parchment to
> interleave the layers while working on the prints and needing them
> to remain damp. I imagine greaseproof paper may work as well, but I
> had the baking paper to hand. It does not absorb much water and
> keeps the whole thing cleaner.
> I still would be interested in learning from the experience of users
> of a Dremel or other electric tool for carving. Both carving
> techniques and the shapes of the attachment tools. Thank you all.
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Message 2
From: "bobcatpath #"
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:55:20 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36581] BAREN etiquette
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concerning the tone of the BAREN discussion :
i have nothing personal against Graham or anyone else on the list-
my concern , and my recommendation to the BAREN Council .
is that we have ZERO TOLERANCE for verbal abuse of any sort.
one sort is "combative know-it-all-ness " which has no place
in an open discussion . THere is room for many opinions,
there is not a right or wrong,
"we're ARTISTS , for cryin' out loud !! "(quoth MARIA)

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Message 3
From: Shireen Holman
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:11:06 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36582] Re: BAREN etiquette
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I'm sorry to see this sort of post on the list.
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Message 4
From: Marissa
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:16:31 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36583] Re: BAREN etiquette
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Did I miss something?

~marissa lee
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Message 5
From: "Jeanne Norman Chase"
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:27:58 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36584] disagreeing
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Artists have always disagreed on "what is art", and how to so it. Hence a lot of different suggestions.
I disagree on a lot of suggestions, but that is all they are suggestions. If you do not like them, you do not have to execute the them.

Graham is a fine artist, full of clever ideas and I have always found him more than helpful on Baren and offline. Because he is a font of information, does not mean that he is egotistic at all. I welcome him back to the Baren with open arms (here that Graham)??????

I do not post too often but this got me up and started again.

thanks Graham!!!!!!

Jeanne N.
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Message 6
From: ArtfulCarol #
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:24:17 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36585] Re: vivid secondary colors w/ M.Hanga
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In my opinion, Andrew does not have to use a separate block for each of the
colors he uses. Overlapping those particular colors, depending on the
saturation ---aureolin yellow, genuine rose madder, and cobalt blue---makes true
secondary colors that are vivid and bright. Coincidentally, those are the
exact colors used as examples of the effects of The New Spirit of
Watercolor by Mike Ward---(my work is on the cover ) There is no reason that
it wouldn't work for woodblock prints.

I use Winsor Newton tube watercolors and/or Createx Monoprint colors for
woodblock prints and am happy with them. Createx has a limited number of

Less unnecessary carving-- and if you like experimentation as I do, I would
suggest trying overlapping other primary colors also.

Best of Luck
Carol Lyons
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Message 7
From: Shawn + Elizabeth Newton
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:34:04 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36586] Re: disagreeing
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this is my opinion on QUOTE "combative know-it-all-ness "...
delete the message. nobody says you have to read it. nobody is holding your eyelids open (as per CLOCKWORK ORANGE), making you click to read your email and read every last line of every email that gets sent your way. so you don't like what somebody says? great, let's ban them from being able to say anything at all. that sounds intelligent. i think i'll go move to china now and start badmouthing the gov't and protesting their human rights policy and bring up the tianenmen square massacre.

give me a break people. ZERO TOLERANCE????? what is this, kindergarten? such a democratic process (I've heard it called that) as printmaking should have some open minded people willing to hear and see it all and not take offense. at least that's what i think. if there's something there that bothers, change the channel. i understand having rules about language and insults in forums b/c some people just can't deal with it or find it offensive or whatever (and all that's fine, i watch my tongue in here), but i haven't seen any. where are the insults? where's the dirty talk?

i guess that's all i have to say.
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Message 8
From: Scholes Graham
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:39:56 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36587] Re: BAREN etiquette
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Na.... nothing important....
Just a couple of people that do not understand expression or
colloquial expressions of a Canadian printmaker.

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Message 9
From: "DePry Clan"
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:31:07 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36588] OMG people!
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Quit the @#$%& bickering!
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Message 10
From: Scholes Graham
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:38:33 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36589] Re: disagreeing
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Thanks Jeanne....
Here’s a big hug....

To those who might think this is a sexual gesture. Nope.... it is a
sincere appreciation of thanks for the vote of confidence.
You will understand this comment when you read my next post.....

Another hug for you Jeanne....
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Message 11
From: Scholes Graham
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:39:46 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36590] Re: BAREN etiquette
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bobcatpath wrote:
> concerning the tone of the BAREN discussion :
> i have nothing personal against Graham
Oh man..... That’s a big relief... After what you wrote I would
be IN A BIG FUNK (means deeply hurt) if you didn’t like me.

ALSO Wrote.....
“for all on the subject of aggression : Graham Scholes was banned
from the
BAREN a while ago , for i-can't- remember- how -long , and now all of
a sudden is back
and obviously still cannot discuss anything civilly i vote that he be
rebanned please“.

My comments were not directed to one person....

I was speaking collectively and when I use the term BRAIN DEAD.... it
was not meant literally.... about you or any
one in particular...... In my circles it is interpreted as being
asleep and not thinking something through .... Lets face it we are all
guilty .... especially us Old guys....

It is interesting how expression come out of the woodwork and take on
different meaning in different regions and parts of the world...
Some of the expression out of Australia and England are alway
interesting and should never be taken literally.
The one that come to mind is English .... “Knocked up in the
morning“. Now where I live that means a totally
different thing. I won’t got there in case I hurt some ones
feelings.... (o
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Message 12
From: Scholes Graham
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:53:46 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36591] Re: BAREN etiquette
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Not to be concerned.... Shireen.... It takes all sort.
I am sure you will get a chuckle out of my response to this
humble effort to apologize....
Keep in mind that some people do not have command of the
English language and they get it all wrong... or not at all....
(meaning, they are clueless)

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Message 13
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:39:31 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36592] RE: BAREN etiquette CLOSED
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Waiting for our moderator to chime in but thought I would speak for the
Baren lead group here.

This subject is CLOSED, please no more posts. We have been having some very
good conversations lately and we all have different styles to express our
thoughts, opinions, and experiences.

Let us all get the talk directed back to printmaking.
And thank you!

Maria, with a substitute-moderator hat that doesn't quite fit all that well

       Maria Arango
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Message 14
From: Gayle Wohlken
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:09:04 GMT
Subject: [Baren 36593] Seconded
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See what happens when the moderator takes a day away from the computer
to get some things accomplished on the home front? Maria, thank you
for stepping in. People, people, people. Let's talk about
printmaking. If you have complaints, write to me, not the list.
Thank you.

Gayle Wohlken