Today's postings
- [Baren 37044] shina ply (Shawn + Elizabeth Newton)
- [Baren 37045] Re: shina ply (Graham Scholes)
- [Baren 37046] Re: Moku Hanga in Toronto - Great Website ("Louise Cass")
- [Baren 37047] Re: shina ply (Barbara Mason)
- [Baren 37048] Re: shina ply (Graham Scholes)
- [Baren 37049] Re: shina ply ("Maria Arango")
- [Baren 37050] Moku Hanga (Eileen Corder)
- [Baren 37051] RE: Moku Hanga ("Maria Arango")
- [Baren 37052] Re: shina ply ("Louise Cass")
- [Baren 37053] Re: shina ply ("Amanda Miller")
- [Baren 37054] Re: shina ply (Shawn + Elizabeth Newton)
- [Baren 37055] Re: shina ply (Graham Scholes)
- [Baren 37056] Exchange #39 countdown! ("Maria Arango")
- [Baren 37057] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification (Blog Manager)
Message 1
From: Shawn + Elizabeth Newton
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:54:44 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37044] shina ply
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well, i traded some floor vinyl and got 3 small pieces of shina and it cuts beautifully WITH the grain, but horribly against. my sharpest v-tools only tear it up.
so, i'll stick with my flooring. i like it better. and it's CHEAP.
later/adios
so, i'll stick with my flooring. i like it better. and it's CHEAP.
later/adios
Message 2
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:29:39 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37045] Re: shina ply
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The Shina you got.... is it solid core of basswood?
Is it 3 or 5 ply or is is 7 ply which has solid core layers of Basswood.
It it is not solid core and has a fill of luana plywood or similar
coarse wood it is more difficult to cut cross grain.... but not to the
point that it is not usable.
I submit your sharpest V tools are not sharp enough!
Have you tried honing them on leather after you have used the 5000
grit wet stone.
Of all the tools I own... (9) .... the V gouge is the worst to
sharpen... it is a holy terror.
I have two size and the number of times I have use them in 15 years
and 700 plates
I could count on two hands. They are so difficult to sharpen and keep
the shape.
Have you seen the still images re sharpening on my site www.woodblockart.ca/how-to/
There is a detail explanation on re V gouges ... Or the video that
has in depth
instructions about sharpening all tools
Cutting edge
Graham
Is it 3 or 5 ply or is is 7 ply which has solid core layers of Basswood.
It it is not solid core and has a fill of luana plywood or similar
coarse wood it is more difficult to cut cross grain.... but not to the
point that it is not usable.
I submit your sharpest V tools are not sharp enough!
Have you tried honing them on leather after you have used the 5000
grit wet stone.
Of all the tools I own... (9) .... the V gouge is the worst to
sharpen... it is a holy terror.
I have two size and the number of times I have use them in 15 years
and 700 plates
I could count on two hands. They are so difficult to sharpen and keep
the shape.
Have you seen the still images re sharpening on my site www.woodblockart.ca/how-to/
There is a detail explanation on re V gouges ... Or the video that
has in depth
instructions about sharpening all tools
Cutting edge
Graham
Message 3
From: "Louise Cass"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:29:43 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37046] Re: Moku Hanga in Toronto - Great Website
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Well - I live in Toronto and this is the first I've heard of the Japan
Foundation and these printmakers - shall have to descend
from my ivory tower and see some of this!!
thanks for the link, Annie, and Graham, never wish to be back in TO - you
are so fortunate to be on your island in the West...........
Louise
(My work may be viewed at www.LCassArt.com )
>Being a Toronto boy.... it is times like this that one would like to
>be back home....
>Hey someone slap my silly...
>The comparison between living on “an island in the Pacific“ and
>Toronto is not even comparable.
>Regards
>Graham
Message 4
From: Barbara Mason
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:32:48 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37047] Re: shina ply
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If your sharpest tools are tearing it up cross grain, they are not sharp. Vinyl and lino cuts like butter compared to wood...and you need the tools to be surgically sharp. I made this same mistake when starting to carve, I thought they were sharp...but they were not sharp enough. I never tear the wood now, unless I forget to hone them every few minutes.
My best,
Barbara
My best,
Barbara
Message 5
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:40:54 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37048] Re: shina ply
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Barbara brings up a good point....
Hone them every few minutes....
This is particularly necessary when using shina. The glue holding the
ply together is tough on your tools, In particular the stuff with
luana filler.... I have noticed it eats the tool edges. I should have
pointed out that the 7 ply shina is no longer made. I have about 2
sheets 3ft x 5ft that I think I will have framed.
>If your sharpest tools are tearing it up cross grain, they are not
> sharp. Vinyl and lino cuts like butter compared to wood...and you
> need the tools to be surgically sharp. I made this same mistake when
> starting to carve, I thought they were sharp...but they were not
> sharp enough. I never tear the wood now, unless I forget to hone
> them every few minutes.
> My best,
> Barbara
>
Hone them every few minutes....
This is particularly necessary when using shina. The glue holding the
ply together is tough on your tools, In particular the stuff with
luana filler.... I have noticed it eats the tool edges. I should have
pointed out that the 7 ply shina is no longer made. I have about 2
sheets 3ft x 5ft that I think I will have framed.
>If your sharpest tools are tearing it up cross grain, they are not
> sharp. Vinyl and lino cuts like butter compared to wood...and you
> need the tools to be surgically sharp. I made this same mistake when
> starting to carve, I thought they were sharp...but they were not
> sharp enough. I never tear the wood now, unless I forget to hone
> them every few minutes.
> My best,
> Barbara
>
Message 6
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:23:22 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37049] Re: shina ply
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I have to agree with Barbara and Graham, if tools don't go through shina ply
they are not nearly sharp enough. If they still go through vinyl without
tearing they probably just need a good honing.
I customarily cut plank cherry, which gives a little more resistance to the
tool but is still a breeze to cut with sharp tools. I can practically "draw"
with my chisels as I don't sketch much prior to beginning a woodcut. I do
run them through the leather/compound hone very often, just a few strokes
while I'm "thinking" my next move on the block.
That "hone" is just an old leather belt that I tacked to the cutting bench
and I smear green honing compound on it every other blue moon.
If you're looking for the cheapest sharpening/honing and free instructions
on how to do it, some sandpaper and a flat surface will do just fine:
http://1000woodcuts.com/Studionotes/sharpen.htm
and honing by our own Eli Griggs:
http://1000woodcuts.com/Studionotes/honing.html
Cheap and easy sometimes aren't in the long run, and are less important for
some of us who focus on RESULTS as much more important. I like creating
something beautiful out of wood, ink and paper and that takes precedence
over money spent or, especially, effort exerted.
Once I used a "real" baren, just to give one example, I understood the
difference and why those ol' traditional foggies in the forum ;-) kept
saying to try one. There is simply no comparison in block feel, performance,
and results, and this is coming from someone who has made every alternative
variation of home-made baren that man or woman has devised!
Incidentally, once I got my business license, I can buy near all my supplies
either wholesale or in quantities or both, which is CHEAP! But you still get
the better quality stuff. Ever since then I hate to give someone full retail
price, although in some cases there is no choice.
Maria
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Maria Arango
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they are not nearly sharp enough. If they still go through vinyl without
tearing they probably just need a good honing.
I customarily cut plank cherry, which gives a little more resistance to the
tool but is still a breeze to cut with sharp tools. I can practically "draw"
with my chisels as I don't sketch much prior to beginning a woodcut. I do
run them through the leather/compound hone very often, just a few strokes
while I'm "thinking" my next move on the block.
That "hone" is just an old leather belt that I tacked to the cutting bench
and I smear green honing compound on it every other blue moon.
If you're looking for the cheapest sharpening/honing and free instructions
on how to do it, some sandpaper and a flat surface will do just fine:
http://1000woodcuts.com/Studionotes/sharpen.htm
and honing by our own Eli Griggs:
http://1000woodcuts.com/Studionotes/honing.html
Cheap and easy sometimes aren't in the long run, and are less important for
some of us who focus on RESULTS as much more important. I like creating
something beautiful out of wood, ink and paper and that takes precedence
over money spent or, especially, effort exerted.
Once I used a "real" baren, just to give one example, I understood the
difference and why those ol' traditional foggies in the forum ;-) kept
saying to try one. There is simply no comparison in block feel, performance,
and results, and this is coming from someone who has made every alternative
variation of home-made baren that man or woman has devised!
Incidentally, once I got my business license, I can buy near all my supplies
either wholesale or in quantities or both, which is CHEAP! But you still get
the better quality stuff. Ever since then I hate to give someone full retail
price, although in some cases there is no choice.
Maria
O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O
Maria Arango
http://1000woodcuts.com
http://artfestivalguide.info
O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O=O
Message 7
From: Eileen Corder
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:14:17 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37050] Moku Hanga
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Thanks, Annie, for the link to the Toronto website. Lots of neat And,
speaking of Moku Hanga...Maria, when is the Exchange 39 officially open for
registration? Do I need to stay up until midnight?
Peace,
Eileen
speaking of Moku Hanga...Maria, when is the Exchange 39 officially open for
registration? Do I need to stay up until midnight?
Peace,
Eileen
Message 8
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:10:57 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37051] RE: Moku Hanga
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Sign-up for [Baren] Exchange #39
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Keep the page handy:
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Sign-up begins at 3:00 p.m. of October 1, 2008 (GMT). All interested members
may sign up at that time, however those members who participated in the
previous exchange will appear on the "Waiting List" list for the first week
of sign-up (through 2:59:59 p.m. of October 8th (GMT) in order to encourage
broadest participation in each exchange.
Note: the actual moment of startup has been selected in order that the
largest possible number of [Baren] members will be awake. Given the global
range of our group this is difficult, but the huge width of the Pacific
Ocean gives us a 'window' of opportunity; while the Pacific sleeps, the rest
of the world is awake. So here is a rough guide to the time... 3:00 pm GMT
is about 5 am in Honolulu, 8 am in Los Angeles, 10 am in Chicago and Mexico,
11 am in New York, noon for Brazilians, 4 pm in London, 6 pm in Israel and
Athens, afternoon/evening for those in Europe and the Middle East, 11 pm in
Hong Kong and Perth, Australia, midnight in Japan and 1 am on the 2nd in
Sydney, Australia...
When calculating the exact moment of sign-up for your particular time zone,
please remember that GMT does not change during the summer; it is a
year-round stable base of reference. If your local zone does use summer
time, you will have to make the necessary adjustment ... If you are confused
about how to find the correct time, please visit the Time Zone Converter
page for assistance.
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(Anyone who will be 'on holiday' or away from their computer during their
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Message 9
From: "Louise Cass"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:43:44 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37052] Re: shina ply
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Just another comment re cutting shina ply - the blocks I got from McLains
are wonderful to cut (even easier than pine and linden)
and I've always had trouble sharpening tools BUT I hone them frequently on
grooves cut into the green honing block (this was
demonstrated to me by a 'sharpener' at Lee Valley and seems even better than
the little hide honing block also from McClains
perhaps what you have isn't shina at all, Elizabeth espec if the same tools
cut vinyl okay??
cheers
Louise
(My work may be viewed at www.LCassArt.com)
Message 10
From: "Amanda Miller"
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:06:18 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37053] Re: shina ply
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I made the trade with Shawn, and it is shina from McClains. I would agree
that the tools are probably not sharp enough.
Amanda
>perhaps what you have isn't shina at all, Elizabeth, espec if the same
>tools cut vinyl okay??
that the tools are probably not sharp enough.
Amanda
>perhaps what you have isn't shina at all, Elizabeth, espec if the same
>tools cut vinyl okay??
Message 11
From: Shawn + Elizabeth Newton
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:10:20 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37054] Re: shina ply
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hi!
yeah, pretty much, the tools are not sharp enough. i don't have a strop. i don't have honing compound. i don't have a 5000 wetstone. i have a few old arkansas stones that i found (i AM in arkansas) so...
maybe i'll break down and get the honing stuff one day.
and also check out the instructions from my good ole buddy mr. scholes.
:-)
later all, and thanks for the tips.
shawn (not elizabeth)
yeah, pretty much, the tools are not sharp enough. i don't have a strop. i don't have honing compound. i don't have a 5000 wetstone. i have a few old arkansas stones that i found (i AM in arkansas) so...
maybe i'll break down and get the honing stuff one day.
and also check out the instructions from my good ole buddy mr. scholes.
:-)
later all, and thanks for the tips.
shawn (not elizabeth)
Message 12
From: Graham Scholes
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:24:32 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37055] Re: shina ply
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Ummmmmmmmm......
Mr Scholes was my fathers name....
They call me Graham
> hi!
>
> yeah, pretty much, the tools are not sharp enough. i don't have a
> strop. i don't have honing compound. i don't have a 5000
> wetstone. i have a few old arkansas stones that i found (i AM in
> arkansas) so...
>
> maybe i'll break down and get the honing stuff one day.
> and also check out the instructions from my good ole buddy mr.
> scholes.
>
>
> :-)
>
> later all, and thanks for the tips.
> shawn (not elizabeth)
Mr Scholes was my fathers name....
They call me Graham
> hi!
>
> yeah, pretty much, the tools are not sharp enough. i don't have a
> strop. i don't have honing compound. i don't have a 5000
> wetstone. i have a few old arkansas stones that i found (i AM in
> arkansas) so...
>
> maybe i'll break down and get the honing stuff one day.
> and also check out the instructions from my good ole buddy mr.
> scholes.
>
>
> :-)
>
> later all, and thanks for the tips.
> shawn (not elizabeth)
Message 13
From: "Maria Arango"
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:37:16 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37056] Exchange #39 countdown!
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:55:33 GMT
Subject: [Baren 37057] Baren Member blogs: Update Notification
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